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Posted 22/4/2013, 1:55 pm        Report
Disclaimer - Shinn agent for Aust. This review cut & paste from Europe. Demos available at Kite Surf SUP anytime. Some local reviews would be sweet. NB Mike Birt is a fan of but not a part of the Shinn team. by Mike B » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:13 am Speedball. Well, the first day of quality testing with the Speedball in a while has now passed and I had a good 3 hours messing around with different boards, sizes and kites. So I am now in a position to impart my personal view on this. The Speedball is a different style of board, of that I now understand, and I also understand why the figures are not on there. Some bullet points to start... - Big range, very big... there is width, so it forgives and starts to build speed quickly, but lets the speed build with exceptional efficiency, and creates a lot of apparent wind. You can develop a lot of board speed for not a lot of power. - For heavier riders it offers a lot of drive for you to push against. - The larger W18 feels TINY for the planing potential offered, and for heavier riders it's somewhat of a revelation for mainstream all-round use. It has attributes of low speed flotation, small feel and efficiency that I have not seen combined in one single board so far. The W18 was the first board I tested and after 3 runs I had to stop and look for the sizing for I was utterly convinced I had taken the smaller board (no joke). - Stable and smooth at high loads / speed, not the Monk, but as good as any shinn has proven to be in the last 3 years. - Carving ability is excellent - a real standout feature. Not only a very stable entry to the turn but highly effective arc, cutting round hard corners with very little drama. In this it is like a surfboard, not the slashy water spraying blast of the Monk, but a very natural initiation with progressive bite and stable drive through the turn, something not offered by any of the other shinn boards. Traditional twins do skip around at this transition point - the speedball engages and bites without any drama. - Relatively stable and smooth in toe-side carves for a snowboard rail. It will place the rail and keep good speed - Not a surfboard but it is as close as I have felt in a modern twin. Holds it's speed well too. - Very resistant to lulls, the width and slippery efficient feel just punches straight through them like they are not there. - Has huge float and buoyancy when speeds decay to a crawl - makes for a very easy fun board to experiment with if the kite power drops to zero for a split second. - Is excellent in whitewater / confused choppy breaks - allows you to mess about with impunity, especially if you are medium to heavyweight. Who / what will it suit? - All riders who want to, and regularly spend time carving - Gusty conditions. - Extremely relevant to medium / heavy riders as an electric feeling all-round board. The larger board feels TINY for it's size and planing ability (and speed/power handling ability) - Riders who are interested in spending time on the rail, riding and generally following around in their wave breaks instead of mowing the lawn. - Riders who need not have, or care for, the most technical skill to absolutely rip, or to be frank have no opportunity to spend hours polishing technique and immersing themselves in technical riding details... In this, the speedball is fast, easy, incredibly forgiving and superb fun in many aspects.. While it's capable of Jaw dropping feats in the hands of the expert, it is probably even more relevant at raising the ability and fun factor of the intermediate, and medium to heavyweight intermediate at that. The longer winded explanation... First of all, just to state the obvious, it stands to reason that as Mark designed the Monk Forever, Dundee, Supershinn etc as individual boards and in this he's very good at making them different and exceptional at what they do. So when I first saw the speedball I thought that there was a possibility that this could be a new technology for the style of board that I like the most, and that the old board was still in the range for the safety of the brand and continuation of that model's sales... So following that logic, if you loved the Monk Forever or the Dundee, this new board could be the start of a new dawn for my/our specific style (and there are a lot of different styles). It's not the first time that I and others have done this. Transposed our wish list onto a new technology and then started to convince ourselves that it's going to be the new age of our favourite characteristic / style. Well, Mark knows what he is doing and the Speedball is different to the other boards in the range. If you know your onions, and know you love the Monk, then you will go on loving the Monk. Same for the Dundee etc. The Speedball offers something the other boards do not, and does not tread on their collective toes either. It does offer capabilities they do not, as to wether they will appeal to those of us who know and love the boards we currently use, that is for you to decide, so take a demo. It's my view that, as has been said by Mark himself already, that the Speedball is outside the box. It's outside the box of the Shinn range we know and have already polarised to. What it offers is something new, something that is more appealing to people who are not already part of the brand for one reason or another. In that, it's is very clever, very forward thinking, and to the riders it will suit, I have no doubt (and already proof) that it will be a revelation for them. A lot of riders who populate the forums (and I tank you all for your work - the sport is better for it) do tend to polarise to the extremes of what the range offer, but the Speedball is different. I expect it to not ring home as true with those reviews who are already in love with the Monk and Dundee, for this is not treading on their toes. I expect it will bring a lot of new riders to the brand, and from my point of view I'm waiting to see what press the board generates in 6 months from now. For now it's time for you all to try it yourselves! In summary I would say - - It's different to everything else. - Don't even think of looking at the measurements and offering an opinion (blindfold in place the W16 could be 130x40 in feel and 135x45 in light wind / practicality at the same time - the W18 could be 132x42 and 144x46 at the same time). - Unquestionably - try one if you are medium to heavy. This is one area where regardless of style or technique it could well be revolutionary for you. - If you are locked into a certain style of board at the moment that you love, be prepared to think about how it could change the way your ride before you judge it on the way you ride right now. It's will be interesting to see how it does when handed over to you all! I stand by the above, and welcome it to the range with open arms. If any of the above rings true to you I have these two boards here for demo, and more arriving in 10 days.
WA
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Posted 22/4/2013, 7:00 pm        Report
Yep there you go, no one does a review like mike birt! Hence why I have referred quite a few crew to him. Really worth emailing if you want the low down on the shinn range or airush products. Just admire his knowledge and ability to verbalise it.
WA
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Posted 22/4/2013, 7:15 pm        Report
Ive got the w18 on trial, ill wait till Friday arvo then do a review as I've then rode it in most wind and water conditions, what i will say is I've never had such fun in such ****ty onshore slop, its not a board for the masses, its a bit of a challenge for good riders if you want to take it to its limits, cheers Cauncy
WA
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Posted 22/4/2013, 7:56 pm        Report
cool cant wait cauncy...
WA
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Posted 23/4/2013, 5:25 pm        Report
Holding out for that review cauncy,certainly sounds like a fun board!
Ireland
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Posted 23/4/2013, 5:49 pm        Report
Copy and paste of a review on Kiteboarder forum by a kiter trying the 18w at a demo day. Review:- I've been lucky enough to have a demo of the W18 Speedball. My main TT weapon of choice is a 135 Dundee (upgraded from a Luigi 2). I also have a 140 King George for lighter winds The first day I used it was typical up down April wind, 13 - 20 mph I was on a 12m Reo (normally I would be on a 14 Cat riding my Dundee) wind was cross on, almost on shore. typical erratic mush with knee\waist\chest high waves popping up now & again My 2nd day was at Pembrey on a low tide, so a mixture of flat, mush, waves out back. Wind was similar to the above, but dropping off to less as the session went on Mike B wrote:Some bullet points to start... - Big range, very big... there is width, so it forgives and starts to build speed quickly, but lets the speed build with exceptional efficiency, and creates a lot of apparent wind. You can develop a lot of board speed for not a lot of power. - For heavier riders it offers a lot of drive for you to push against. Builds speed very easily, as easy as the KG for getting up on. Does not feel as big as the KG. It carves up wind stupidly easy. No leg burn, like the KG. Once up on the plane, you can generate apparent wind in the lulls. You really can ride them out. Im 95-98kg Mike B wrote:- The larger W18 feels TINY for the planing potential offered, and for heavier riders it's somewhat of a revelation for mainstream all-round use. It has attributes of low speed flotation, small feel and efficiency that I have not seen combined in one single board so far. The W18 was the first board I tested and after 3 runs I had to stop and look for the sizing for I was utterly convinced I had taken the smaller board (no joke). Completely agree, it does not feel like a big board. It feels small, but yet feels big when it needs to. It's a very strange sensation. Because it feels small, you think you better be careful over the mush etc, because you think it's going to dig the front in. It doesn't, it floats over it. Makes you laugh because you "Got away with it, that time" Mike B wrote:- Stable and smooth at high loads / speed, not the Monk, but as good as any shinn has proven to be in the last 3 years. Very, very stable. I could not unsettle the board at all. I tried Mike B wrote:- Carving ability is excellent - a real standout feature. Not only a very stable entry to the turn but highly effective arc, cutting round hard corners with very little drama. In this it is like a surfboard, not the slashy water spraying blast of the Monk, but a very natural initiation with progressive bite and stable drive through the turn, something not offered by any of the other shinn boards. Traditional twins do skip around at this transition point - the speedball engages and bites without any drama. Yes, it does feel very surfboard like. It is very easy to whip the back foot round without much effort, surprising considering the big fins on it. Seriously easy to experiment with your carving. The only way I can describe it - you are a weeble, weebles do not fall down. You can kind of wobble, go top heavy over balanced, but because the board is wide, it makes you feel planted, a bit like your feet are fixed to a solid mount, you 'wobble' then you can just lean back and away you go. it's very weird, but also good Mike B wrote:- Very resistant to lulls, the width and slippery efficient feel just punches straight through them like they are not there. Very resistant to lulls, just keep moving that kite and you just ride through it. Amazing Mike B wrote:- Has huge float and buoyancy when speeds decay to a crawl - makes for a very easy fun board to experiment with if the kite power drops to zero for a split second. At pembrey I was trying to catch up a couple of waves down wind from me, I missed them, I got there as the white water was there. First time I took it easy, it is white water and I am on a TT after all. It rode over it, like it wasn't there WTF!? So I went looking for white water, just to see. Yup, the white water was not a hinderance on this board, it just floated over it at any speed. Amazing. The KG can not cope as well as the Speedball. It was a good as a surfboard in this area, but you're riding a TT Mike B wrote:- Is excellent in whitewater / confused choppy breaks - allows you to mess about with impunity, especially if you are medium to heavyweight. Agreed I had an open mind with this board. I wanted to see what it was like To me it's like a KG, but not as big. It felt better, esp. when smashing my way out back through the waves. When you use the wave as a ramp it lands so smoothly, it really is like landing on an air bag. It carves, it gets me going on a 12m when others weighing 20 - 30 kgs lighter were on 11's It feels like a surfboard, but clearly is not It feels like a skim, in that you can slash it around, piss around, do what you can in lighter winds without worrying you are going to lose your power, send the kite and off it goes. But it is not a skim I did manage to compare my Dundee at Pembrey for a short period. The Dundee, for me, felt better when I was pushing on, finding more speed. The Reo seemed to work better with the Dundee than the Speedball. I seemed to find a top speed and could not get it to go faster. I rode in, jumped on the Dundee and managed more speed. Was it my technique because I ride the Dundee all the time or was it the board? I wouldn't like to say. But at the time I was blaming the kite The ride on the Dundee was short lived, the wind was dropping I could not get up wind, I could only just hold my ground, mostly losing ground. Jumped back on the Speedball and I was rocketing up wind agin. Eventually I couldn't get up wind any more, I could hold ground, was about 13 mph on a 12m 13mph is normally Zephyr world for me As I was walking back in, my GF came up and was struggling a little on her 130 Monk & 8m VX. She rode off on the Speedball, I warned her she wouldn't like it. On paper the board is too big for her at 60kgs She loved every minute on it, she stayed out until she was too tired to kite any longer. Amazing was her response, it's so forgiving, carves well, a great all rounder. Works very well with the smaller kite. Much, much better than the KG for weight. Jumps well, lands well. and no leg burn I wanted to hang onto the board for longer, get a couple of powerd up sessions in on it. But the demo days took it away from me :( For me it has the best of my King George & the ease of use I get from my Dundee, plus the skim feeling I get from my LF fish I love my Dundee, the Dundee is my weapon of choice, the KG is less used. A Speedball would make a good replacement for the KG as it is a better all rounder with more feedback and it rides like it is on rails. Point it where you want to go and it does as it's ordered Eppo said " It was like the board gives you what YOUR individual style wants…well it feeds it back to YOU, rather than dictate HOW you should ride." HIt the nail on it's head I want another go :-) and sorry for the long post End of Review.
WA
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Posted 24/4/2013, 8:32 pm        Report
Ok now I'm frothing... cant wait to demo this and the King George once I join the 17m club.
VIC
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Posted 25/4/2013, 7:19 am        Report
Mike is there anyone in Melbourne Demoing these boards My old TT has seen better days and this board sounds perfect going from surfboard to having some old school TT fun. The great thing I think is that it would work really well with my 17 metre Zephyr. At 90kg and getting lighter (Missus has lost weight so now I have to) it would be a tossup between the 2 boards as my main TT. Awesome review guys best I have seen... Eppo could you tell me how many boards and kites you have and what they are... It seems you are the gear guru....
WA
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Posted 25/4/2013, 8:57 am        Report
The gear guru far from it. But I do demo a ton of gear. Why? Because I enjoy experiencing what designers put into their wings and boards. I also like to keep an open mind and not become a slave to one concept. This has led me to the conclusion that just about every kite and every board has something to offer. But I choose to ride ozone kites (14m cat, 10m edge and 8m cat) because they 'click' with me. I prefer their 'feel'. That doesn't mean they are the best kite out there though, just best for me. Bit you gotta get off your ass and keep an open mind to find the right wing for YOU. Love wainmans, north, airush as well they are my top 4. Airush my second fav have that refined feel ozone has. Right now I have a 150 mako, and a crazy fly skim. The speedball has a lot to offer most riders and worth a demo. Coupled with a zephyr above as mentioned would be ideal it thrives on a good high aspect kite, but still works fine on a lower one. Lets wait for cauncys review though he has had it out in 'gero' winds. He's also a heavier dude than me. But both my bro and I concurred the mako was the best for what we do still. There are two other boards I want to explore one is the jimmy Lewis range (as I see the value now in concave hulls for free riding on the ocean) and would love to get on a laluz. So there is room for one more board a smaller board for some airtime hooked in rotational, grab, board off, yep 'old school' stuff. We will see. But yes the speedball must be demoed if you are a TT fan and want some freeride potential. But seperate fact from fiction and all the hype. Well the facts based on what you want which is ultimately fiction anyhow. Lol. Get out there and ride and fly as much as you can so that when you make a comment on seabreeze it is not some juvenile ill informed rant. That includes the speedball. Hence why Cauncy is a good fellow to listen to. I know he has flown and does fly many many different kites and boards. Worth listening.
QLD
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Posted 25/4/2013, 1:01 pm        Report
HappyG said... Mike is there anyone in Melbourne Demoing these boards
Get on to Justin @ Darkside Surf, Shinn distributor for the east coast and can point you in the right direction.
VIC
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Posted 25/4/2013, 6:10 pm        Report
Thanks guys I have contacted the guys on the east coast for Shinn. Thanks Eppo It seemed to me you had WAY more gear than that. I am going to demo the new catalyst and reo this month. I currently have: 17 metre 2011 Zephyr 14 Metre 2009 Rebel (Hardly use this because of the Zephyr) 10 Metre 2010 Rebel Boards: 2009 North Sky 136 x 41 (hopefully updating that soon) Underground Kipuna 5ft 8in (for when it is windy. cant break it) Firewire Hellfire 5ft 11in (when its light) Thinking of getting rid of the Norths and try something new. I rode my mates Catalyst 12metre 2013 and thought its a bloody good kite. What would suit my 17 metre a 12 or 10 metre Catalyst and a 8 or 6 metre Reo. Like your opinion Eppo... on Catalyst wind range as I have found the Rebel 10 metre to be great but not so great when drifting in the waves... Is the Catalyst a better kite.
WA
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Posted 25/4/2013, 7:32 pm        Report
How much you weigh man? What winds we talking about? it's all comprimise man in the end. the new cat (and the old) is very very different to the rebel. The rebel is more higher aspect, great for hooked in boosting and the like. While some people rate them in the waves I frankly think they were rubbish, doable but I'd rather be on a Evo or a Neo if I wanted to wave ride with a north kite. But that's just me. The cat would drift much better, lower aspect, 3 strut everything adds up to a better wave kite. I'm yet to have my 14m in the surf and the winter isnt here yet to try the 8m (of which I have heard good things about in the surf). But again it is no Reo. But the cat even the 2013 wont touch the rebels boosting ability. The boosts are fine though, very controlled, very useful for chucking in some freestyle stuff. That's where the cat would and does supercede the higher aspect free rider we know as the rebel. Looping, rolling, board offs all easier and the cat unhooks okay to..not as good as the C4 obviously. So it all depends on which way you want to go with your riding. The cat will not develop apparent wind like the rebel...and indeed much less than the edge of course which kills them all with the apparent wind development. You could get away with either the 12 or 10 depends on your weight and the winds you get. Reo will always be the much better wave kite. But it falls short in terms of all round performance of the cat. Or you could stick with your rebels and upgrade. they have changed significantly since 2009! Again depends on what riding you envisage. It's all comes down to comprimise in the end. I love my edge, love it...but when cracking out freeride freestyle the cat wins. But when it comes to speed, ease of use and boost height and hangtime the edge is a clear winner by a mile. it all depends... there is another option you want to pursue...the Liquid force NRG...boosts unreal (better than the cat, nearly as good as the edge) but it drifts unbelievably well...as I've said many times now, this kite still perplexes me. A high aspect kite that drifts as good or nearly as good, or as good as you need to be more precise as any wave kite I've been on. The 10m would be all you need with a zephyr as it has a decent low end. The cat has a good low end (2013) but a fair bit of this is generated by grunt rather than apparent wind build up like the rebel, the edge and the NRG. Another to maybe consider in the peter Lynn Fury...another high aspect kite that turns real quick. I will be getting on one soon froma friend but until then this is only a maybe. Ozone need to consider a high aspect free ride kite that sits between the cat and the edge...a smaller zephyr even. I really think this would be a bloody good kite and bloody good seller. Oh yeh go and demo a speedball...lol....
ACT
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Posted 25/4/2013, 10:29 pm        Report
eppo said... Right now I have a 150 mako, and a crazy fly skim. There are two other boards I want to explore one is the jimmy Lewis range (as I see the value now in concave hulls for free riding on the ocean)
Hey Eppo, what happened to your mako king and mako 140? I've been reading your posts about the makos with interest, to the point that I am thinking of getting a 150. You'd make a good salesman! about the Jimmy lewis, they too sound the goods, but I would have doubts about there durability and ability to handle boosting impacts given their foam core. Also I may be wrong, but with fully rounded rails like the model 3, I would have thought that getting your rail to grip would be much harder, making loading your edge for jumping/upwind riding harder. This is one of the fundamental differences between the way a fin driven board(directional) and a twin tip work.
VIC
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Posted 26/4/2013, 8:36 am        Report
Eppo thanks for the feedback... I do love to boost and thats what I love about the rebels they are really easy kite too boost. I will demo the catalyst over a weekend and see if I like it... You are right about the zephyr in smaller sizes it would be really cool more high aspect but not as high as the edge... Believe it or not I have taken the Zephyr out in the waves with my big board and it is a load of fun... Guys just watch on the beach and twiddle their thumbs. Just watching your other post I also like the waimans they look powerful like the rebel but drift well in the waves. The guys from Stonker in Torquay have been on them for ages... Maybe thats the compromise. Like the feel of the ozones though... hard choice... its just money, hard on a new teachers wage and kids.... lol
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 8:52 am        Report
bennie said...
eppo said... Right now I have a 150 mako, and a crazy fly skim. There are two other boards I want to explore one is the jimmy Lewis range (as I see the value now in concave hulls for free riding on the ocean)
Hey Eppo, what happened to your mako king and mako 140? I've been reading your posts about the makos with interest, to the point that I am thinking of getting a 150. You'd make a good salesman! about the Jimmy lewis, they too sound the goods, but I would have doubts about there durability and ability to handle boosting impacts given their foam core. Also I may be wrong, but with fully rounded rails like the model 3, I would have thought that getting your rail to grip would be much harder, making loading your edge for jumping/upwind riding harder. This is one of the fundamental differences between the way a fin driven board(directional) and a twin tip work.
Yeh sold the 140 and king together. Someone got a superb deal. Lol. I found as I dropped weight I was getting off my skim straight onto the 140 and was not using the king much. So decided to get one in the middle. So I will be using the 150 for carving ocean going freeride. Right now I'm looking into a TT that I can push and develop my hooked in freestyle stuff (and a touch of unhooked). I have come to the conclusion like my kites buy specific gear for specific purposes. hence looking at the JL option, and a few others including the Laluz. We will see. The round rails and concave and edging ability is an interesting one. I know slalom skiers have that and they need to really hold an edge. Again we will see hey.
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 8:57 am        Report
HappyG said... Eppo thanks for the feedback... I do love to boost and thats what I love about the rebels they are really easy kite too boost. I will demo the catalyst over a weekend and see if I like it... You are right about the zephyr in smaller sizes it would be really cool more high aspect but not as high as the edge... Believe it or not I have taken the Zephyr out in the waves with my big board and it is a load of fun... Guys just watch on the beach and twiddle their thumbs. Just watching your other post I also like the waimans they look powerful like the rebel but drift well in the waves. The guys from Stonker in Torquay have been on them for ages... Maybe thats the compromise. Like the feel of the ozones though... hard choice... its just money, hard on a new teachers wage and kids.... lol
thing is happyG, you have been blessed to ride kites with higher aspect. There is always a compromise but what I find if I now get on kites with Lower aspect ( and that I includes the cat) I really have to adjust. I'm always craving that performance. The wainmans are a good kite, really solid all rounder but even lower aspect than say the cat. You will miss that higher aspect performance the rebels give you. hence why I mentioned some options to demo above. Wainmans have a very very different feel to the ozone and indeed norths. If you do demo one demo one for a few days hey to really find out what they are about. But superb wave kites for sure. And they do boost well. turn quick and all that. But the power delivery is very different.
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 9:47 am        Report
Cauncy it is FRIDAY.....you promised.
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 7:21 pm        Report
bennie said... about the Jimmy lewis, they too sound the goods, but I would have doubts about there durability and ability to handle boosting impacts given their foam core. Also I may be wrong, but with fully rounded rails like the model 3, I would have thought that getting your rail to grip would be much harder, making loading your edge for jumping/upwind riding harder. This is one of the fundamental differences between the way a fin driven board(directional) and a twin tip work.
sorry this is off topic, but bennie seeing as you raised the question...
ACT
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Posted 26/4/2013, 8:08 pm        Report
impressive! However there are plenty of instances out there where epoxy boards have failed from repeated jumping impacts. I think wood core is the go.
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 10:31 pm        Report
SHINN SPEEDBALL W 18 LENGTH 132 WIDTH 47 FINS 58MM CONCAVE 55MM OUTLINE FIN TO FIN RAIL 100MM 2X STANCE WIDTH 3 X OPEN CLOSE STANCE 2 DIMENSIONAL 3.5 MM THICK RAILS WEIGHT 3.6 KG FULLY DRESSED PADS THICK BUT FIRM AND WELL PADDED STRAPS WITH A PULL TO TIGHTEN STRAP AND A PULL BUCKLE TO LOOSEN 3 SESSIONS OZONE EDGE 9 16 TO 22 KNTS OZONE ZEPHYR 14 TO 18 OZONE ZEPHYR 16 TO 20 WATER CONDITIONS SMALL TO DECENT SWELL WITH GENERAL CHOP ON THE OUTSIDE AND BUTTER FLAT ON THE INSIDE FIRST IMPRESSIONS THIS BOARD LOOKS TT ORIENTATED BUT NOTHING QUITE LIKE WHAT YOUVE SEEN BEFORE WITH A ROUNDED NOSE AND AGGRESSIVE VERY WIDE OUTLINE WITH VERY CLOSE TO TIP PAD POSITIONS HUGE LOOKING CONCAVE , BIG FINS, VERY THIN ON THE RAILS AND VERY FLEXIBLE, ALL IN ALL BEAUTIFULLY FINISHED VERY SLICK ON THE WATER IT INSTANTLY FELT VERY DIFFERENT THAN A STANDARD TT AND COULDNT GET MY HEAD AROUND THE SMALL FEEL EVEN THOUGH IT A BIG WIDE BOARD ON THE PLANE, VERY SCATEY FEEL WHEN FLATTENED OUT THEN ENGAGED THE RAIL FOR A LOCKED IN FEEL VERY SOLID, IT FELT SOMEHOW SKIM AND SNOWBOARD IN FEEL ON THE WATER, WITH EFFORTLESS INTERCHANGING OF STANCES SWITCHING TO TOESIDE WAS SO SMOOTH THE BIG CONCAVE WOUL BRING IT ROUND THEN YOUD FEEL THE TIPS ENGAGE TO COMPLETE THE MOVE ALL VERY SMOOTH, CARVING ON THIS BOARD WAS A MAJOR STANDOUT IMO GOING FULLY POWERED ON A FULL RAIL IT NEVER ONCE SKIPPED OR FELT LIKE ITD GIVE EVEN TONIGHT IN 18KNTS ON A 17MTR FULLY POWERED . YOUR FOOT POSITION LOOKED AND FELT SLIGHTLY STRANGE AND HAD ME THINKING ID BURY THE NOSE ON THE OUTWARD TACK OVER THE INCOMING SWELL, BUT NOT ONCE, ID SAY THE BIG CONCAVE HAS THAT COVERED,RIDING ON THE OPEN OCEAN WAS A SMOOTH SPRAYLESS RIDING EXSPERIENCE, BUT THIS BOARD LOVES TO BE RIDDEN ON THE INSIDE AND IMO ITS WHAT ITS MADE FOR, DOING BIG ROUNDHOUSES ON THE INCOMING SWELL AND BREAKS, HOLDING UP ON THE WAVE WAITING FOR IT TO FORM, NEVER ONCE DID IT BOG EVEN IN THOSE CMON GIVE ME POWER MOMENTS, THEN A BIT OF TOE PRESSURE DROPS YOU DOWN AND A BIT OF HEEL HAD ME BACK UP THE FACE , SOME PRETTY GREAT DOWN THE LINE WAVE RIDES , I PLAYED CONTINOUSELY ON THE INSHORE BREAKS AND NEVER ONCE HAD TO DO A BIG OFFSHORE RUN TO MAKE GROUND BACK TO MY POSITION, SO ID SAY ITS UPWIND ABILITY IS GOOD, I WAS PRETTY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE POP ITS OK BUT NOT WHAT IM USED TO ,THE FOOT POSITIONS AND LACK OF TAIL WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT AND I HAD MY FEET ON THE WIDEST SETTINGS,FOR SUCH A THIN BOARD IT HAS GOOD FLOATATION AND WAS VERY HARD TO BOG DOWN , I WAS ESPECIALLY OVER EMPHISISING MY JUMPING TRANSITIONS AND SENDING THE KITE TOO FAR AND MYSELF, YOUD LAND, THE BOARD WOULD SIT,THE KITE WOULD RECOVER AND AWAY YOUD GO, MAKING IT A GOOD LIGHTWIND OPTION, SO WHO WOULD THIS BOARD APPEAL TO, IMO ITS NOT A BOARD FOR THE MASSES LIKE A LOT OF TTS AND A BEGINER WOULDNT GET THE MOST FROM IT AND FIND IT A BIT TECHNICAL, ALTHOUGH ITD MAKE A GOOD BOARD FOR GETTING UP ON THE PLANE, IMO IT A BOARD FOR A DECENT RIDER WANTING A CHALLENGE AND A NEW EXSPERIENCE AND FOR A TT RIDER THATS GETTING A BIT STALE AND WANTING TO GET ONTO SOME DECENT SWELL AND PUSH A DIFFERENT ELEMENT, I GET PRETTY FRUSTRATED IF I F*CK UP RIDING MY TT BUT ON THIS I FOUND MYSELF HAVING A GOOD LAUGH AT MYSELF DUE TO IT BEING A CHALLENGE TO BE RIDDEN PROPERLY, AND THIS QUICKLY CHANGED AND HAD ME RANTING AT MYSELF FOR NOT MAKING THIS WAVE , OR THAT, SHOULD OF DONE THIS , SHOULD OF DONE THAT, ITS BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE I HAD THE OCEAN RUNNING FROM MY NOSE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING IT GIVES YOU A REALITY CHECK, MAYBE YOUR NOT THAT GOOD OF A RIDER, WOULD I HAVE THIS BOARD AS A ONE BOARD QUIVER NO, BUT ID HAVE A 2 BOARD QUIVER AS THE IS TOO MUCH FUN TO BE HAD WITH THIS BOARD IMO ON DAYS YOUD GENERALLY NOT BE ARSED, I WAS HOPING TO GET OUT ON A BIG NWESTER AND SOME WESTERLIES ( IN WEST AUS ) AS AFTER RIDING IM SURE ITD BE A STANDOUT, ITS A BIG CALL BUT I RECKON A DIRECTIONAL RIDER WOULD APPRECIATE THIS BOARDS QUALITIES WHEN CONDITIONS ARNT QUITE GOOD ENOUGH, IF YOU DEMO ONE DONT JUST TAKE IT FOR AN HOUR GIVE IT A GOOD FEW SESSIONS PUT ON YOU PADS AND STRAPS SO YOUR NOT BEING INFLUENCED BY TOO MANY DIFFERENT FEELS AND ENJOY, IF YOU DONT WANT TO JUMP SHIP TO ANOTHER BRAND THEN WAIT A YEAR OR SO AS IM SURE SOME OF THE MAINSTREAM BOARDS WILL FOLLOW THIS MODEL , IM SURE IVE MISSED A COUPLE OF THINGS SO FEEL FREE TO ASK, OR IF YOUR UP HERE AND ITS WINDY COME AND GRAB IT OFF ME IF YOU CAN. ILL TRY AND GET MY HEAD AROUND POSTING SOME PHOTOS IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO , CHEERS CAUNCY
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 10:46 pm        Report
Thanks cauncy!so you think it would be good in waves?I have the 11 edge,do you think this board would increase the bottom end?good lightwind board?looks like a real fun board.cheers
WA
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Posted 26/4/2013, 11:27 pm        Report
Thanks cauncy, FOR THE REVIEW! Glad ya stoked. Be perfect up there in those big gero swells. Enjoy man!
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 8:53 am        Report
Good review cauncy, may have to go for a little drive tomorrow arvo down to your neck of the woods for a demo if your around ,cant believe the wind is still in not that I'm complaining
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 12:00 pm        Report
arloj said... Good review cauncy, may have to go for a little drive tomorrow arvo down to your neck of the woods for a demo if your around ,cant believe the wind is still in not that I'm complaining
Yeh give me a txt and ill c u down there, I've emailed u my no the winds trying to come in as we speak
QLD
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Posted 27/4/2013, 12:04 pm        Report
@cauncy Seriously, man, all CAPS? C'mon.
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 12:08 pm        Report
Thanks Cauncy. I put the review in word and added some breaks if anyone else is struggling:
cauncy said... shinn speedball w 18 length 132 width 47 fins 58mm concave 55mm outline fin to fin rail 100mm 2x stance width 3 x open close stance 2 dimensional 3.5 mm thick rails weight 3.6 kg fully dressed pads thick but firm and well padded straps with a pull to tighten strap and a pull buckle to loosen 3 sessions ozone edge 9 16 to 22 knts ozone zephyr 14 to 18 ozone zephyr 16 to 20 water conditions small to decent swell with general chop on the outside and butter flat on the inside first impressions this board looks tt orientated but nothing quite like what youve seen before with a rounded nose and aggressive very wide outline with very close to tip pad positions huge looking concave , big fins, very thin on the rails and very flexible, all in all beautifully finished very slick on the water it instantly felt very different than a standard tt and couldnt get my head around the small feel even though it a big wide board on the plane, very scatey feel when flattened out then engaged the rail for a locked in feel very solid, it felt somehow skim and snowboard in feel on the water, with effortless interchanging of stances switching to toeside was so smooth the big concave woul bring it round then youd feel the tips engage to complete the move all very smooth carving on this board was a major standout imo going fully powered on a full rail it never once skipped or felt like itd give even tonight in 18knts on a 17mtr fully powered . your foot position looked and felt slightly strange and had me thinking id bury the nose on the outward tack over the incoming swell, but not once, id say the big concave has that covered,riding on the open ocean was a smooth sprayless riding exsperience this board loves to be ridden on the inside and imo its what its made for, doing big roundhouses on the incoming swell and breaks, holding up on the wave waiting for it to form, never once did it bog even in those cmon give me power moments, then a bit of toe pressure drops you down and a bit of heel had me back up the face , some pretty great down the line wave rides i played continousely on the inshore breaks and never once had to do a big offshore run to make ground back to my position, so id say its upwind ability is good i was pretty disappointed with the pop its ok but not what im used to ,the foot positions and lack of tail would be the reason for that and i had my feet on the widest settings, for such a thin board it has good floatation and was very hard to bog down , i was especially over emphisising my jumping transitions and sending the kite too far and myself, youd land, the board would sit,the kite would recover and away youd go, making it a good lightwind option, so who would this board appeal to, imo its not a board for the masses like a lot of tts and a beginer wouldnt get the most from it and find it a bit technical, although itd make a good board for getting up on the plane, imo it a board for a decent rider wanting a challenge and a new exsperience and for a tt rider thats getting a bit stale and wanting to get onto some decent swell and push a different element i get pretty frustrated if i f*ck up riding my tt but on this i found myself having a good laugh at myself due to it being a challenge to be ridden properly, and this quickly changed and had me ranting at myself for not making this wave , or that, should of done this , should of done that, its been a few years since i had the ocean running from my nose, which is a good thing it gives you a reality check, maybe your not that good of a rider would i have this board as a one board quiver no, but id have a 2 board quiver as the is too much fun to be had with this board imo on days youd generally not be arsed i was hoping to get out on a big nwester and some westerlies ( in west aus ) as after riding im sure itd be a standout, its a big call but i reckon a directional rider would appreciate this boards qualities when conditions arnt quite good enough if you demo one dont just take it for an hour give it a good few sessions put on you pads and straps so your not being influenced by too many different feels and enjoy, if you dont want to jump ship to another brand then wait a year or so as im sure some of the mainstream boards will follow this model im sure ive missed a couple of things so feel free to ask, or if your up here and its windy come and grab it off me if you can. ill try and get my head around posting some photos in the next day or so , cheers cauncy
ACT
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Posted 27/4/2013, 12:12 pm        Report
^^ that made me laugh great review BTW cauncy. Everyone else take note, this is how it should be done especially all the technical info on the top.
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 12:18 pm        Report
Gee i feel like I'm back at school again
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 2:29 pm        Report
Hey cauncy,pm me your number mate if you dont mind,got a few questions about the speedball.cheers
WA
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Posted 27/4/2013, 3:36 pm        Report
If we get it back ?? the W18 will be on demo from the shop. Have the W16 here now. New shipment due next week. Great review thanks cauncy. & thanks for the editing - CAPS just dont do it hey.
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Posted 27/4/2013, 3:39 pm        Report
If we get it back ?? the W18 will be on demo from the shop. Have the W16 here now. New shipment due next week. Great review thanks cauncy. & thanks for the editing - CAPS just dont do it hey. Dont get too hung up on Caucy publishing the dimensions. Mark has deliberately labelled them the W16 & W18 because he doesnt want anyone pre-guessing the board according to normal TT sizes & shapes. As Cauncy says it is 'different'. Has its very own style quite separate from what dimensions may have you thinking. IMO the W18 will be most appreciated by heavy kiters who are forced to struggle on poor performing LW styled boards as their regular TT. The W18 = way smaller, high performance but covers right up to BIG BOY riders. Lots of reviews coming out of Europe if you want to search for more.
 
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