Hi Everyone
I am new here and shortly plan to start building a LLF Mini. I am currently doing a engineering apprenticeship in Wellington NZ, so have availability to all the steel and equipment I will need.
For the front wheel I am going to use a children's bike wheel and fork to save costs. Now for my question. I know there has been much discussion on What wheels to use for the rear but other then the ones on the original LLF mini thread not many answers. I have been given prices for 3 brands of plastic wheel, Kings, Richmond and Fallshaw. I Understand the Fallshaw wheels are very good but also a lot more expensive. Anybody used Kings or Richmonds?
Thanks
Steve
Lets put it this way... how much is a pair of Fallshaws?
or
How much is a pair of the others (and when they don't work as well and you get dissatisfied) then buy a pair of Fallshaws?
Cheaper to do it right from the start.... I have seen it happen several times.
Check with Hiko and Clemco, they have sourced wheels in NZ. Ive seen some richmond wheels an youd get better wheels from a tipper. often the rubbish wheels are the same price , or more expensive than the fallshaws. in fact I recall they were cheaper in NZ
I am in Hamilton. Check out the wheels on my mini. $140.00 incl gst. (set of three)
wheels, tyres, tubes and sealed bearings. (for front and rear wheels)
I often wonder about trying to skimp a few $ on the wheels the difference between ones that work and ones that may not, yet will spend more on the main sheet and pulley system than the wheels.
If someone was into running would they go to a forum and pose the question "Are Dunlop Volley shoes suitable for running marathons" ?.....
Is there a perception of the sport of Land Sailing that the craft are built for the lowest possible cost or built from recycled bits and perhaps not a serious sport?
Yeah! Gizmo, Fallshaw's may well be a Known quantity and high quality but looking at those ones I'd be willing to take the punt, They certainly look the part and I do really like the Front Rim and I doubt that it will crack up in a hurry. On Schrodinger's Cat I am currently using Cheap Chinese Junk which aren't quite round but they will do for now. I may well find out more about those wheels and bring them from K1W1 land if I can con the mate into getting them for me.
Ron
My point exactly... If you hadn't used cheap Chinese wheels in the first place you wouldn't be looking for a replacement set.
Buy one good set rather than 2 sets (one bad one good)
These are the wheels I use on my minis they were sold to me when I asked for Fallshaw wheels but they are not marked as such so not sure
They cost $56 NZ each Wheel, 2 ply ribbed tyre, tube and 2x 6204 2rs bearings
I have had no problems with them to date
Hi everyone
Thanks for your reply's. ADlandyachts, what brand are your wheels? you had any problems?
, havent seen anymore on the shelves 
Spotted this on FleaBay recently.
These look reasonable and seem to have a sealed bearing in the hub.
Bunnings also now stocks a run-flat tubeless (?) or solid tyre on its newest barrows. Not sold separately at this stage. The plastic wheel rim itself seems much larger in diameter and the tyre more 'low profile'. Still meets the same total running diameter as before though.
something to look out for is rimms with that domed shape in the middle. you need to stick a finger in and check if there is a separatetube passing through the centre. if not , and the rim is cheapthin construction then the whole show will warp without much load on it. given that the tyre will be really cheap 2ply . this wheel could really slow you down. how much each are they
Hi Landyacht,
Good points. Good to be back too, reading the pages again...
$49, wheel and tyre as you see it. No compression inner tube, as you suggest. Can't see them being 'bad' but certainly better than the cheapie B' variety reds. The guy had 10. Not sure the bearings are all that 'precise' either. Rolled a few barrow wheels at B that had the same looking bearings and they were still quite grainy and noisy. Not sloppy though.
Can't help thinking that the metal wheel is so much heavier than the placcy version.
Rotating mass, inertia etc, not unimportant?
Can't seem to find the Falshaw snowflake design placcy wheels in Melbourne...frustrating.
Any ideas?
Ta Ron!
Dandenong has to be...ooh, at least...10km from 'Blacky'.
Will give them a ring tomorrow.
(Too reliant on internet search engine inadequacies, obviously, but the important thing is that you came through for me!!!)
Thanks again.
Well A715, I used a search engine.. try Dogpile.com personaly I wouldn't use anything else Google and the rest are just pirates as far as I am concerned.
Ron
The boys from 'Dandy' really came through. You can buy the rims for $20 each, separate 6024 precision bearings, the ribbed 4 ply tyres and matching high quality tubes all for around $150 for a pair, assembled by them. Pretty decent deal I think and the right setup for the job.
Should see them early next week I think. Can't wait.
Confirm then, and save me some money. I have not agreed to purchase as yet. The rib tyres were 40each with tubes, 4 ply, not 2 ply. Seems they were from a different supplier and had to bring them in.
I might just go for the chunky tyre then.
You guys want to keep one thing in mind when buying any product "Cheap is as Cheap Does" Right? Sure get the best deal you can on a given product but don't compare Oranges and Apples, you'll only do yourself in the eye.
I priced a 480/800 X 8 4Ply down here and they wanted $56 for it. How will it compare with an $18 Barrow wheel. Hold and Feel them both like you were examining certain items of your anatomy compare their weight and what they feel like
In the case of tires I would suggest the heavier and harder would be more suitable. Not so with the other bits
Ron
AUS715..here you go,
construction section,
wheel shaft thread,
The Western Australian distributor of Fallshaw products (EASYROLL Materials Handling) posted that they have the wheels at $36.00 a piece.
It looks like I missread the bit about the bearings though.
Thanks Gents.
Don't forget this price included the Rib tyre. These don't come with the stock FS wheel. Bearing upgrade is only $7.
$20 for the red centre rim, the 4 ply rib tyre is the expensive bit at $40. Seems FS don't actually stock that tyre, they have to get it in.
I agree it is a little steep compared to what many have said they can find...but is it actually the same stuff, as Ron alludes to.
Not bought as yet though.
Ah Ha! Grynch,
The Wheels you are talking about would be quite a bit heavier and that would increase the Spin inertia when you get them up to speed and I should imagine slow turning ability as well. Wheels like that are also designed for low speed therefore I should imaging that Balance isn't a construction priority.
Ron
The FS wheels with the chunky block tyre is much cheaper, of course.
So how important is the rib tyre?
Bear in mind that these wheels will end up on a bigger 'boat' down the track.
I figure I haven't spent anything yet, so the total bill so far is OK.
Well the Chunky will definitely pick up a bunch of soil/sand/water and fire it about to get in your eyes and hinder vision, even Rib tread will do it but not as bad. No doubt on soft surfaces Chunky will give better grip which can be a plus or minus depending on the situation. Any tires will do but some are better than others, some last longer as well depending on the Rubber Formula all depressions you have to make for yourself.
Ron
last time I bought rib tyres, they came from Mullins Wheels, around $15 or $16 each for rib tyre + tube.
its been a while since I had to buy any though- they dont wear much running on grass.
just make sure when you buy them that the tubes are the right size- 2 of mine came with 3" x 8" tubes by mistake.
stephen
Lads,
It is an idea to check out some of your Farm Machinery Shops, they may Stock a 4.80/800 x8 x 4ply that is way tougher than normal tires though quality comes at a price as well.
Ron
