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WA
15 Posts
Posted 18/5/2013, 4:33 pm        Report
I'm frustrated with the whopper,I can ride a wave, but my let down is my balance. I'm 6'4 117kg Un real can you input shall I go longer.. Or longer wider. If I go to big I might have good balance but won't be able to turn onto a wave.everyone can just stand out there me WELL
WA
754 Posts
Posted 18/5/2013, 5:07 pm        Report
Go the starboard avanti some big units riding them For example. Luc Longly big Russ . Go the carbon or you will break your back , Also YOB have a big wave board too looks the goods too ,
WA
601 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 1:50 am        Report
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VIC
13276 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 4:26 am        Report
I met an old guy in Merimbula surfing the big 10'5" Naish Mana and it seemed to go very well but I've never surfed one.. I don't think I've paddled a board so stable as that big Mana.. The big Starboard Avanti did surf very well when I used one in the surf once.. Another board worth checking out is the big Coreban Ez.. I've heard it surfs quite wll also.. Maybe you are standing with your feet too far apart.. Some people think doing that gives more stability but it doesn't.. In fact it makes it worse.. Try and keep them no more than shoulder width apart and not out near the rails.. I've seen plenty of guys your size not having a problem on the Whopper.. You might even want to try the 10' Mana.. Even though it's not quite as wide as the Whopper it's rails are a bit thicker and the tail a bit squarer.. and it surfs very well.. Another great looking board to check out is the big Fanatic 9'10" x 33" Alwave.. Demo some boards and let us know what you end up with. DJ
Austria
541 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 7:37 am        Report
Just keep going till you tone your support muscles and gain balance. Falling off isn't an embarrassment; it's part of the learning process. Getting a bigger board will only be a set back.
WA
15 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 8:53 am        Report
Well I have been trying for over a year. Poor core muscles.back op a few years ago, truck driver. Not good, yes I see big guys on whoppers, but everyone is different.
Austria
541 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 10:20 am        Report
Imgunadoit said... Well I have been trying for over a year. Poor core muscles.back op a few years ago, truck driver. Not good, yes I see big guys on whoppers, but everyone is different.
Fair enough. I just would not want to see anyone throw it in too fast and unnecessarily waste money. Some of those bigger boards like the Naish Mana mentioned above actually surf better than most people would imagine. Best bet is to stick to something with a longboard style nose and a slightly wider tail, which will give you better overall stability. If you stick with it, riding a SUP will definitely improve those core muscles.
VIC
1049 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 11:09 am        Report
DavidJohn said.. I met an old guy in Merimbula surfing the big 10'5" Naish Mana and it seemed to go very well but I've never surfed one.. I don't think I've paddled a board so stable as that big Mana.. The big Starboard Avanti did surf very well when I used one in the surf once.. Another board worth checking out is the big Coreban Ez.. I've heard it surfs quite wll also.. Maybe you are standing with your feet too far apart.. Some people think doing that gives more stability but it doesn't.. In fact it makes it worse.. Try and keep them no more than shoulder width apart and not out near the rails.. I've seen plenty of guys your size not having a problem on the Whopper.. You might even want to try the 10' Mana.. Even though it's not quite as wide as the Whopper it's rails are a bit thicker and the tail a bit squarer.. and it surfs very well.. Another great looking board to check out is the big Fanatic 9'10" x 33" Alwave.. Demo some boards and let us know what you end up with. DJ
DJ and Surfershane are spot on. I reckon that your board might have something wrong with it! Check out some YouTube how to videos. The other thing is practce heaps in flat water prior to going out in waves. The undercurrents when surfing can really be disconcerting!!! Good Luck and have fun!!! PS Fanatic 9'10" x 33
WA
279 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 11:53 am        Report
not sure if you can still find them, but the cabrinha 10.8 was 34 inches wide just under 200 litres, super stable and designed to be a very big boys surf sup. Ive got lots of wide sups, manas, allwaves, starboard wide points and i reckon the cabrinha was the most stable. I think the new JP's dont do this board anymore, but you may find some old stock. Other than that i think the other guys comments re the big avanti and the big mana are probably the best bets.
Austria
541 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 1:26 pm        Report
Leroy13 said...
DavidJohn said.. I met an old guy in Merimbula surfing the big 10'5" Naish Mana and it seemed to go very well but I've never surfed one.. I don't think I've paddled a board so stable as that big Mana.. The big Starboard Avanti did surf very well when I used one in the surf once.. Another board worth checking out is the big Coreban Ez.. I've heard it surfs quite wll also.. Maybe you are standing with your feet too far apart.. Some people think doing that gives more stability but it doesn't.. In fact it makes it worse.. Try and keep them no more than shoulder width apart and not out near the rails.. I've seen plenty of guys your size not having a problem on the Whopper.. You might even want to try the 10' Mana.. Even though it's not quite as wide as the Whopper it's rails are a bit thicker and the tail a bit squarer.. and it surfs very well.. Another great looking board to check out is the big Fanatic 9'10" x 33" Alwave.. Demo some boards and let us know what you end up with. DJ
DJ and Surfershane are spot on. I reckon that your board might have something wrong with it! Check out some YouTube how to videos. The other thing is practce heaps in flat water prior to going out in waves. The undercurrents when surfing can really be disconcerting!!! Good Luck and have fun!!! PS Fanatic 9'10" x 33
Yes, it might be the Woppa just does not do it for you. Dont get too hung up on extreme widths. Maybe where you are struggling with the Woppa is the pulled in tail and extra nose lift? Personally, I prefer a slightly flatter board with a wider tail. Not so much for stability alone, but the power and speed you get both paddling and on the wave. While the Corbean Icon might be a bit small for you it fits the description and went for me at a demo day. It might be worth looking at their bigger boards. I have also seen one of those big cabrinha's mentioned above and despite its size it looked like a great board. It has a really nice even outline and rocker. Never know, something like the new Laird 12 might even work for you? Best bet is to hit the demo days.
WA
279 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 1:37 pm        Report
just checked on their site, JP still do the 10.8 cabriha, its now a 10.8 jp fusion.
VIC
1635 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 2:13 pm        Report
I'm about 8-10 kegs heavier than the OP depending on the day. I can't stand on a whopper either but do fine on a 9'10 x 33 fanatic allwave (own one) and reckon the 10x 34 coreban was a shade easier. The Whopper's about 35 litres less than those boards, it will make a difference.
NSW
856 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 2:32 pm        Report
sameh said.. not sure if you can still find them, but the cabrinha 10.8 was 34 inches wide just under 200 litres, super stable and designed to be a very big boys surf sup. Ive got lots of wide sups, manas, allwaves, starboard wide points and i reckon the cabrinha was the most stable. I think the new JP's dont do this board anymore, but you may find some old stock. Other than that i think the other guys comments re the big avanti and the big mana are probably the best bets.
Yes, they still make em, and there gooduns..........worth trying out
WA
2591 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 2:49 pm        Report
stimo said.. Go the starboard avanti some big units riding them For example. Luc Longly big Russ . Go the carbon or you will break your back , Also YOB have a big wave board too looks the goods too ,
Not sure why Stimo got red thumbed for this, I reckon the Avanti would be a good choice if you want something more stable than a whopper to surf on.
Austria
541 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 3:37 pm        Report
HumanCartoon said... I'm about 8-10 kegs heavier than the OP depending on the day. I can't stand on a whopper either but do fine on a 9'10 x 33 fanatic allwave (own one) and reckon the 10x 34 coreban was a shade easier. The Whopper's about 35 litres less than those boards, it will make a difference.
Yes, the Whoppa just does not hold the same volume through the tail. Like the wide points it has an exaggerated width in the middle of the board. Neither would be my pick of the Starboard range.
ACT
1108 Posts
Posted 19/5/2013, 6:09 pm        Report
I learnt on the Starboard Driv 11-2 and although not as tall as you I was actually much heavier. I would agree that the secret is flat water time and getting used to the board a bit. Stick with it
WA
15 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 3:20 pm        Report
I tried some boards yesterday on flat water. Laird nsp and surtec Gerry Lopez 10ft 34 inch, the same as the whopper, felt very stable. Was told the whopper has its wide point in front of you, and surttec is more under and behind you the surtftec has more volume, could this be the key. Or just go big all over avanti, remember I wish to surf.
VIC
1635 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 3:35 pm        Report
Imgunadoit said.. I tried some boards yesterday on flat water. Laird nsp and surtec Gerry Lopez 10ft 34 inch, the same as the whopper, felt very stable. Was told the whopper has its wide point in front of you, and surttec is more under and behind you the surtftec has more volume, could this be the key. Or just go big all over avanti, remember I wish to surf.
Volume is going to help you, a lot. Given what you've told us about your dimensions, core & back, I'd suggest looking up around 200 litres as you benchmark. To suggest a few again, the 9'10 x 33 fanatic allwave is a beaut, the 10 x 34 coreban EZ is good, and our colleague ShireSUP raves about his 10'8 JP Fusion. If you're open to a bit of lateral thinking the 12'1 x 32 laird Pearson arrow (from surftech) is one of the funnest big guy boards I've been on (anybody got a good one that's surplus to requirements? )
NSW
904 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 4:09 pm        Report
Hi, I'm 6.2, 105kg my first board was Avanti, great stable board and i surfed it (kinda / badly), Yes the Avanti was a bit heavy and a bugger on windy days to carry, but thats a trade off. Many of my mates wanted a go and most now have their own board. (If you can't ride an Avanti, best you give up the idea of being able to Sup altogether) I now have had my Allwave 9.6 for 18months, great in surf and flat water, well made, (but slight depressions in deck around feet position) very stable, the allwave is the most stable board that i have tried around its length, including Nash Mana and Corban.
WA
1237 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 4:47 pm        Report
HumanCartoon said...
Imgunadoit said.. I tried some boards yesterday on flat water. Laird nsp and surtec Gerry Lopez 10ft 34 inch, the same as the whopper, felt very stable. Was told the whopper has its wide point in front of you, and surttec is more under and behind you the surtftec has more volume, could this be the key. Or just go big all over avanti, remember I wish to surf.
Volume is going to help you, a lot. Given what you've told us about your dimensions, core & back, I'd suggest looking up around 200 litres as you benchmark. To suggest a few again, the 9'10 x 33 fanatic allwave is a beaut, the 10 x 34 coreban EZ is good, and our colleague ShireSUP raves about his 10'8 JP Fusion. If you're open to a bit of lateral thinking the 12'1 x 32 laird Pearson arrow (from surftech) is one of the funnest big guy boards I've been on (anybody got a good one that's surplus to requirements? )
Volume should not be a determining factor as it is more about how that volume is distributed throughout the board. 2 boards of same volume could be drastically different.
VIC
1635 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 4:51 pm        Report
surf4fun said.. Volume should not be a determining factor as it is more about how that volume is distributed throughout the board. 2 boards of same volume could be drastically different.
The OP is 117kg, you cannot discount volume. This is something large, heavy men know about. To illustrate, At about 6'2 & 125kegs I'm happy on a Coreban EZ* at 205 lires but I hate the 10' Mana at the same volume. My Fanatic Allwave floats me fine and works nicely at 193 Litres, but we're not talking about a 30+ litre difference there. The OP is finding out the hard way that a 168 litre board isn't enough. More volume will be needed, with some up front and some down the back. ( *there's a nice looking one in WA on the buy & sell )
NSW
28 Posts
Posted 20/5/2013, 11:06 pm        Report
Best advice from seabreeze for me buying a board: Try/ demo it! My board is smaller, but feels more stable than husbands larger/wider board. Just felt good, compared with the few others I tried. Good luck.
NSW
856 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 12:46 pm        Report
HumanCartoon said..
Imgunadoit said.. I tried some boards yesterday on flat water. Laird nsp and surtec Gerry Lopez 10ft 34 inch, the same as the whopper, felt very stable. Was told the whopper has its wide point in front of you, and surttec is more under and behind you the surtftec has more volume, could this be the key. Or just go big all over avanti, remember I wish to surf.
Volume is going to help you, a lot. Given what you've told us about your dimensions, core & back, I'd suggest looking up around 200 litres as you benchmark. To suggest a few again, the 9'10 x 33 fanatic allwave is a beaut, the 10 x 34 coreban EZ is good, and our colleague ShireSUP raves about his 10'8 JP Fusion. If you're open to a bit of lateral thinking the 12'1 x 32 laird Pearson arrow (from surftech) is one of the funnest big guy boards I've been on (anybody got a good one that's surplus to requirements? )
+ 1 on the Laird Pearson surplus to requirments - so if you have 2 that is
NSW
856 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 12:50 pm        Report
HumanCartoon said..
surf4fun said.. Volume should not be a determining factor as it is more about how that volume is distributed throughout the board. 2 boards of same volume could be drastically different.
The OP is 117kg, you cannot discount volume. This is something large, heavy men know about. To illustrate, At about 6'2 & 125kegs I'm happy on a Coreban EZ* at 205 lires but I hate the 10' Mana at the same volume. My Fanatic Allwave floats me fine and works nicely at 193 Litres, but we're not talking about a 30+ litre difference there. The OP is finding out the hard way that a 168 litre board isn't enough. More volume will be needed, with some up front and some down the back. ( *there's a nice looking one in WA on the buy & sell )
Seriously theres no place in SB for little blokes to be commenting on big blokes matters.......... Its not like I'm gonna comment on the 7'10 x 30 new starboard any time soon, except to say they are looking more and more like a speed bump everyday
WA
1237 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 1:54 pm        Report
It doesn't matter how big or small a person may be, all I am saying is that you can have a board that has a high volume but is less stable than a board with less volume. Therefore volume should not be the biggest determining factor, yes it should be considered but not be the first question. Is a Fanatic 12'6 x 25 @252L going to be more stable than a Fanatic 9'10 x 33 Fanatic All Wave @191L just because it has more volume??????
WA
15 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 2:21 pm        Report
Hi all thank you for your input, I traded the whopper today. 11,6 fanatic fly. Why you say we'll 12mths of frustration, I'm going back to basics big board ride learn basic skills. But most of all to have fun. As I progress I will change boards, something I should have done first. Seen allwave, and Gerry Lopez, very nice boards, and I will get to them in time but I just want to enjoy.. Thx....
VIC
1635 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 3:02 pm        Report
Imgunadoit said.. Hi all thank you for your input, I traded the whopper today. 11,6 fanatic fly. Why you say we'll 12mths of frustration, I'm going back to basics big board ride learn basic skills. But most of all to have fun. As I progress I will change boards, something I should have done first. Seen allwave, and Gerry Lopez, very nice boards, and I will get to them in time but I just want to enjoy.. Thx....
GOOD choice...that's a board that will float you, it'll be stable and they surf surprisingly well...fun times ahead
New Zealand
1995 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 4:35 pm        Report
The coreban EZ is 205 litres....the whopper is I seem to remember is about 160 litres.....are we talking about the same kettle of fish here?
VIC
1635 Posts
Posted 21/5/2013, 10:17 pm        Report
GizzieNZ said.. The coreban EZ is 205 litres....the whopper is I seem to remember is about 160 litres.....are we talking about the same kettle of fish here?
No, but that was the point?
 
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