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Carbon Wrap on SUP.....

Created by CMC > 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
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I had a 8'6 SUP from DMS here in Currumbin that I sold. It was a custom Bamboo Veneer board top and bottom, went great but a bit small for me.

So I sold it to a nice bloke and ordered the exact same but a bit bigger.

This one was going to be the same, with the bamboo veneer.

BUT....... I got a Carbon wrap 6'1 from him that I love so we decided to run the Carbon wrap in a bigger version on my SUP instead. It is getting laminated today. The feedback on these things has been insane, so much that Dan has applied for a patent on the design. Surfers like Dane Reynolds and Steph Gilmore are raving. If it works as well on a SUP I will be stoked. I am frothing!!!!

Here is a vid of the boys in Indo a few weeks back talking about the Carbon Wrap.

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CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
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Ooops screwed up.

The vid I mentioned in the post above was this one on the Coastalwatch site.

www.coastalwatch.com/news/article.aspx?articleId=9355&display=0&cateId=3&

husq2100
QLD, 2019 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
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Patents are pretty tricky and very expensive things.....I would have thought that no matter how original the way Dan is laying up the carbon that it be to close to many things done in the marine industry to be eligable for a patent??? Boards look great all the same. Make sure you post some pics of your finished sup. I bet its going to be light!

laceys lane
QLD, 15983 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
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i used to live next door to dru. got to see him surfing out the front a lot. he is capable of doing anything.

i was interested to hear him talking about the 'pop', not just airs, but the way general hi performance turns are done.

be looking forward to seeing you 'pop' a few turns on your sup cmc
cheers

Simondo
VIC, 7888 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2011
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CMC (and everyone),
(thanks for posting CMC)
Recently I was introduced to the term "white six one". Whilst I was aware of this phenomenon, it recently really hit home. They are "Pop Happy", and "Snap Happy" little things, that are really nice, but in general, only a few people can extract really good drive from them - fast point break drive. I call it "posi-drive", or "positive drive", which is more easily extractable for a large centre fin, and full size side fins.

If you're looking for a fun relaxed surfing session, on a long wave, get the biggest centre fin you can find, and throw in virtually any sized side fins, and it will give you drive to get around little close out sections / little sections.

If you want drive off the bottom, from a quad (or kwad as some of you think they are called - quad is "kwad" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad - or even Quattro if you want - It's an Audi Quattro, not a freaking Kwadro, get a freaking education! - sorry, rant over) - so if you want brilliant drive off a quad, you need to straighten up the rear fins, and increase the size of the rear fins. But most of you will want to go for a quad for looseness in smaller waves, with smaller rear fins.

God bless "plain white six ones".... You have the power to choose "a six one with carbon" as per CMC, or even a midlength cruiser at 7'6 with tints or stringers. Only the good shapers know how to produce a good 7'6, compared to the the Anti-Christ 7'6 mini-mal. They are "chalk and cheese", and "yin & yang".

If you surf a "white six one" and feel like you are lacking drive, maybe get more foam under you, and more centre fin, or get some video or photos of yourself.... And I will suggest you move away from standard "white six ones", and broaden your outlook. Yes, the "six one" has a true place in surfing, but if you feel you struggle on them, it is because you struggle on them.

This is only 6'3, but it gives impressive drive and paddle power for its size. For most surf session, the more average surfer will have a load more fun on this great toy, compared to a "white six one" !! It's a "six three with tints with a bag full of fun thrown in".

6'3 x 21 x 2"7/8.




(Sorry, there's a shortboard forum for this kind of talk !! )

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 2 Sep 2011
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Great post Simondo.

If you're 85kgs and trying ride a 'white six one' that's 18 1/2 and 2 5/16 like many do you are tripping. I know a few particularly that are still trying.

Mine is 19 3/4 and 2 1/2 flat rockered and pretty boxy in EPS that floats and paddles very well. In 3-4 foot beach breaks it is the best craft for the job for me. That or my 6'2 x 20 PU 80's style board.

But i digress, this is not the SB forum. I had no choice but to reference SB DMS stringerless carbon wraps as mine is the very first SUP being made this way. I will try to get some pics during construction and when completed. Like Lacey said, I am too looking forward to 'pop' ing some turns on it. That is of course if I can learn how to actually catch a wave.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
> 9 months ago, 2 Sep 2011
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CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2011
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OH MY GOODNESS..........

I stopped in today to check progress on the Carbon wrap SUP.

It looks insane! I took pics but can't show you until a few things are sorted with lawyers etc.

The Carbon on top and bottom looks unreal, I am frothing to ride it.


The biggest problem with this board is going to be escaping the carpark, it's one of those that people are going to want to look at.

Nothing like any made before it!

Piros
QLD, 4539 posts
> 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2011
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Nice tease mate..... sounds good.

laceys lane
QLD, 15983 posts
> 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2011
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hey, did you check with hilly

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
> 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2011
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Dam I didn't, out of here before he rocks up
Truth is he sent me a PM stating that LBers really
do rule Nah he didn't

hilly
WA, 3862 posts
> 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2011
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62mac said...

Dam I didn't, out of here before he rocks up
Truth is he sent me a PM stating that LBers really
do rule Nah he didn't


CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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Picking up my new baby today......


This will ensure it is flat for a few weeks in case you are wondering what happened to the swell.

Th0m0
QLD, 489 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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Well at least you'll have plenty of time to take pics for us.

sharpie
NSW, 347 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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just watch out for dullard she'll be chasing you round the carpark looking for some carbon tax[}:)[}:)][}:)]

Cuttlefish
QLD, 815 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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I'm a fan of Dan's shapes.
Had a lot of fun on a 5'6" mini-simmons made by him. Love his bamboo laminated boards.
But...if you want a twist on technology that could really become the benchmark in epoxy board building have a look at what Dave at Diverse surfboards is doing with his Dynocore epoxy boards.
The thing that impresses me about the Dynocore is it's strength and tunablity by using varying densities of eps blanks and then laminating it in a mixture of different fibres (innegra and carbon) and carbon tape to produce varying levels of flex and weight combinations.
Looks like it could really be a great tech for sups.
Dave's been doing shortboards up until now and has only just started doing some longboards. He's working on a new glassing facility for longboards as well now I understand.
The good thing about Fibreflex (and possibly Dynoocre in the future) is that Australian shapers can shape boards and then have them laminated in the new tech glassing.
No need to go OS with board production like Firewire and all the big sup manufacturers.
Here's a link to the website...
dynocore.diversesurf.com.au/
And I liked their demo broad bean I splashed out and ordered my own and here's my thoughts on it...
www2.swaylocks.com/forums/diverse-broad-bean-hybrid-quiver-killer
I know things can be a bit political down the Goldie but I'm on the Sunshine coast and just interested in the best boards I can have under my feet.
Once the Broad bean was ordered I happily sold my 4 month old Dick Van Straalen full carbon fibre/eps board as the Dynocore absolutely blew it out of the water.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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Cuttlefish said...

I'm a fan of Dan's shapes.
Had a lot of fun on a 5'6" mini-simmons made by him. Love his bamboo laminated boards.
But...if you want a twist on technology that could really become the benchmark in epoxy board building have a look at what Dave at Diverse surfboards is doing with his Dynocore epoxy boards.
The thing that impresses me about the Dynocore is it's strength and tunablity by using varying densities of eps blanks and then laminating it in a mixture of different fibres (innegra and carbon) and carbon tape to produce varying levels of flex and weight combinations.
Looks like it could really be a great tech for sups.
Dave's been doing shortboards up until now and has only just started doing some longboards. He's working on a new glassing facility for longboards as well now I understand.
The good thing about Fibreflex (and possibly Dynoocre in the future) is that Australian shapers can shape boards and then have them laminated in the new tech glassing.
No need to go OS with board production like Firewire and all the big sup manufacturers.
Here's a link to the website...
dynocore.diversesurf.com.au/
And I liked their demo broad bean I splashed out and ordered my own and here's my thoughts on it...
www2.swaylocks.com/forums/diverse-broad-bean-hybrid-quiver-killer
I know things can be a bit political down the Goldie but I'm on the Sunshine coast and just interested in the best boards I can have under my feet.
Once the Broad bean was ordered I happily sold my 4 month old Dick Van Straalen full carbon fibre/eps board as the Dynocore absolutely blew it out of the water.


Hey Pete,

I have had a good look at Daves development with the Dynocore and as you say he is really onto something.

To be honest, Dave's Dynocores, Dans Bamboo flex and now Carbon Wrap which people were absolutely frothing on in New York at the event (stay tuned for more on these I assure you!) Haydens Fibre Flex etc etc are great developments for the Australian Industry.

The tech based surfboard market is growing daily and it's great that people are doing well with these boards to encourage others to experiment also.

We are in fact working on a project at the moment to increase the levels of knowledge of more exotic materials and processes via full trade certification for the industry. This is huge project, more to come in time.

Casso
NSW, 3281 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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CMC said...

We are in fact working on a project at the moment to increase the levels of knowledge of more exotic materials and processes via full trade certification for the industry. This is huge project, more to come in time.

Cool, sounds interesting. Something strong and super light yet doesn't suck water would be nice.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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Casso said...

CMC said...

We are in fact working on a project at the moment to increase the levels of knowledge of more exotic materials and processes via full trade certification for the industry. This is huge project, more to come in time.

Cool, sounds interesting. Something strong and super light yet doesn't suck water would be nice.



Yes and not deadened with 4 kilos of body filler, paint and oversized corporate logos......... Hahah.

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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Dan is the man,makes great SB & LB's now SUP's,cant wait to see his latest.

laceys lane
QLD, 15983 posts
> 9 months ago, 15 Sep 2011
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CMC said...

Picking up my new baby today......


This will ensure it is flat for a few weeks in case you are wondering what happened to the swell.


dam you. i've got my own board to work out and you've put a hex on the surf

Th0m0
QLD, 489 posts
> 9 months ago, 16 Sep 2011
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laceys lane said...

CMC said...

Picking up my new baby today......


This will ensure it is flat for a few weeks in case you are wondering what happened to the swell.


dam you. i've got my own board to work out and you've put a hex on the surf




You and me both Lacey. A triple hex on the surf. Looks like it's gone flat for the next week at least. Welcome to spring. At least it's 27deg so shouldn't complain too much I spose.

rahams
NSW, 543 posts
> 9 months ago, 16 Sep 2011
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Simondo said...

CMC (and everyone),
(thanks for posting CMC)
Recently I was introduced to the term "white six one". Whilst I was aware of this phenomenon, it recently really hit home. They are "Pop Happy", and "Snap Happy" little things, that are really nice, but in general, only a few people can extract really good drive from them - fast point break drive. I call it "posi-drive", or "positive drive", which is more easily extractable for a large centre fin, and full size side fins.

If you're looking for a fun relaxed surfing session, on a long wave, get the biggest centre fin you can find, and throw in virtually any sized side fins, and it will give you drive to get around little close out sections / little sections.

If you want drive off the bottom, from a quad (or kwad as some of you think they are called - quad is "kwad" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad - or even Quattro if you want - It's an Audi Quattro, not a freaking Kwadro, get a freaking education! - sorry, rant over) - so if you want brilliant drive off a quad, you need to straighten up the rear fins, and increase the size of the rear fins. But most of you will want to go for a quad for looseness in smaller waves, with smaller rear fins.

God bless "plain white six ones".... You have the power to choose "a six one with carbon" as per CMC, or even a midlength cruiser at 7'6 with tints or stringers. Only the good shapers know how to produce a good 7'6, compared to the the Anti-Christ 7'6 mini-mal. They are "chalk and cheese", and "yin & yang".

If you surf a "white six one" and feel like you are lacking drive, maybe get more foam under you, and more centre fin, or get some video or photos of yourself.... And I will suggest you move away from standard "white six ones", and broaden your outlook. Yes, the "six one" has a true place in surfing, but if you feel you struggle on them, it is because you struggle on them.

This is only 6'3, but it gives impressive drive and paddle power for its size. For most surf session, the more average surfer will have a load more fun on this great toy, compared to a "white six one" !! It's a "six three with tints with a bag full of fun thrown in".

6'3 x 21 x 2"7/8.




(Sorry, there's a shortboard forum for this kind of talk !! )


what the f***k are you talking about

Piros
QLD, 4539 posts
> 9 months ago, 16 Sep 2011
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what the f***k are you talking about

Ditto.....



Cuttlefish
QLD, 815 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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HPSB (white six one) = 6'1" high performance short board.

What's the equivalent of a hpsb in sup'ing sub 8'6" or even 8'?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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OK, Here it is.

Some quick pics in the factory with the grip half stuck on.

Came in at around 6.3kgs. Not bad for a 8'11 x 29 x 4 1/4.

5'10 beside it for reference.

What do you think of the look? PS Yes I have neatened up the grip!




CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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So far mission accomplished. Kind of wonky and bumpy on the water this morning and whereas this would be a nightmare to control on the 8'6 the new board felt as good as gold.

Stoked! Now for the fins...... Might need to actually ride a wave for that one.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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CMC said...

So far mission accomplished. Kind of wonky and bumpy on the water this morning and whereas this would be a nightmare to control on the 8'6 the new board felt as good as gold.

Stoked! Now for the fins...... Might need to actually ride a wave for that one.


Are the black bits carbon?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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doggie said...

CMC said...

So far mission accomplished. Kind of wonky and bumpy on the water this morning and whereas this would be a nightmare to control on the 8'6 the new board felt as good as gold.

Stoked! Now for the fins...... Might need to actually ride a wave for that one.


Are the black bits carbon?


Yep, Carbon fibre tape. The idea being that the flex is controlled to make the board stiff but then allow more flex in the tail as the tape wraps over the rail onto the deck.

It will be interesting to see how it feels on SUP in comparison to the difference you can feel on a shortboard when compared to a regular stringer.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
> 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2011
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CMC said...

doggie said...

CMC said...

So far mission accomplished. Kind of wonky and bumpy on the water this morning and whereas this would be a nightmare to control on the 8'6 the new board felt as good as gold.

Stoked! Now for the fins...... Might need to actually ride a wave for that one.


Are the black bits carbon?


Yep, Carbon fibre tape. The idea being that the flex is controlled to make the board stiff but then allow more flex in the tail as the tape wraps over the rail onto the deck.

It will be interesting to see how it feels on SUP in comparison to the difference you can feel on a shortboard when compared to a regular stringer.


Have you ridden a shortboard in the same construction?



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