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SUPing near Grommets - No Go Zone

Created by pmorgan1974 > 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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I hardly ever voice up about these kinds of things, and I know the whole thing has been flogged to death, but I have just one thing to say.

If there are a few grommets surfing in a area, find somewhere else. Simple.

Nothing annoys me more, whether you rip or are a newbie, to see a SUP sitting out beyond a pack of groms, and catching waves through them. It is dangerous.

I reckon if we see someone doing this, it really is up to us to let them know nicely how uncool it is.

Protects the sport as well as the groms.

Session
VIC, 445 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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Totally agree .

Rich

Pando71
NSW, 92 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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For sure! To dangerous, let the young ones learn in a safe environment. A real problem in our area.(mainly learner sup's)

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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damn..i thought this was going to a vid with a title like that

surferstu
996 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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So no sup near kids, what about near groups of women is that ok?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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surferstu said...

So no sup near kids, what about near groups of women is that ok?


I was thinking groups of people in general, Ive seen a few people do silly things on them recently. They defo give them selves a bad name doing dangerous sh!t.
In saying that Ive surfed with a couple of guys that were great, kept to them selves, didnt surf through packs and paddled around the break. So not all bad.

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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surferstu said...

So no sup near kids, what about near groups of women is that ok?


Chicks and kids are not really in the same ball park, but groups in general as Doggy said mate. Want to impress groups of women hit the dance floor on a Sat night and do some rug cutting...That may do the trick

rager
QLD, 437 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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Good idea. Seen it too many times taking my kids for a surf at a certain little known rivermouth at the southern end of Palm Beach Wasn't just SUP's either that were creating mayhem through the 3 surf schools and pack of dads pushing the kids onto the little reform in front of the car park. There seems to be a lot of old blokes having a mid life crisis learning on mals who think it's a good idea to surf amongst the kids on their foamies rather than paddling out the back too. One of these flappers hit my 10 yr old daughter a couple of months ago and she's wanted to surf there since.

rager
QLD, 437 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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*hasn't

husq2100
QLD, 2019 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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hmmm sorry but groms, women and beginners will always go to point waves here on the GC....it should not be stay away if they are there, it should be stay away if you are not capable of controlling your craft.

EDIT: Rager, this was not directed at you, but the thread in general.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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husq2100 said...

hmmm sorry but groms, women and beginners will always go to point waves here on the GC....it should not be stay away if they are there, it should be stay away if you are not capable of controlling your craft.

EDIT: Rager, this was not directed at you, but the thread in general.


Even the best make mistakes.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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husq2100 said...

hmmm sorry but groms, women and beginners will always go to point waves here on the GC....it should not be stay away if they are there, it should be stay away if you are not capable of controlling your craft.

EDIT: Rager, this was not directed at you, but the thread in general.


At risk of copping the formidable, relentless wrath of Mr Husq on this one.....

At that little known river mouth mentioned by the Raging D is quite possibly one of the best learner waves on the planet. Not out the back with the big tough boys but inside the rock up the creek. Sometimes even on a high enough tide it's right near the carparks. It is useless unless you are under 30kgs and have your dad pushing you into them. It's amazing for the kids to see each other doing it and gain their own confidence. It's surfing Pre-school. My daughter loves it. It's far more forgiving than whitewash at any beachy. I don't know why any grown person would want to ride there anyway. Inside Laceys is a far better learning ground for grown beginners.

rager
QLD, 437 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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I agree, we all started somewhere but common sense would say if there is an area as big as the alley you could look past the carpark reform. It might not only be dangerous for the kid if they do run one over.

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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husq2100 said...

hmmm sorry but groms, women and beginners will always go to point waves here on the GC....it should not be stay away if they are there, it should be stay away if you are not capable of controlling your craft.

EDIT: Rager, this was not directed at you, but the thread in general.


I am talking about Groms here, not adults (women, men, beginners). There are very competent SUP surfers at my local break, that chose to not surf near groups of grom's for the reason that as good as you are, the ocean is unpredictable, and a 8-10 foot SUP with the volume they have can do some very serous damage to a 4 foot grom.

Points are also very different to beaches. They are usually long and drawn out waves, so people can spread out, but at beaches where it is usually concentrated in one area is where the issue is.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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rager said...

It might not only be dangerous for the kid if they do run one over.


And there lies the real danger.... Nothing invokes primal defense instincts like seeing offspring in harms way.

loco4olas
NSW, 1487 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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pmorgan1974 said...
I am talking about Groms here, not adults (women, men, beginners). There are very competent SUP surfers at my local break, that chose to not surf near groups of grom's for the reason that as good as you are, the ocean is unpredictable, and a 8-10 foot SUP with the volume they have can do some very serous damage to a 4 foot grom.

Points are also very different to beaches. They are usually long and drawn out waves, so people can spread out, but at beaches where it is usually concentrated in one area is where the issue is.


Can't back you up more on this one Pete.

There's a certain menace around North Avalon and Kiddie's Corner at Palm Beach (a paparazzi photographer type) that has had a number of run ins with groms - gave one kid at N Avalon 10 stitches to the head and hit a girl at Kiddie's Corner (her partner got the police onto him for that one) and I've seen him NUMEROUS times paddle around out the back on his 12 footer on tiny days and careen through on sets, with very little control, through the groms surfing Suck Up at N Avalon and kiddies-he almost always out there-and only when it's small grommy waves. It's only a matter of time before another child is injured by this clown.

He's an absolute pest and a case on point.

loco4olas
NSW, 1487 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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CMC said...

rager said...

It might not only be dangerous for the kid if they do run one over.


And there lies the real danger.... Nothing invokes primal defense instincts like seeing offspring in harms way.



Too bl00dy right-if the clown had given my kid 10 stitches you'd be reading about me in the Daily Telegraph.

husq2100
QLD, 2019 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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so once again we are starting to define what is important rather than blanket statements. I know the spot CMC and Rager are talking about well. And agree with what they are saying about this type of spot. If you dont know it, it is wasit high water, that parents etc can push their kids onto and where surf schools operate. It is not impossible but would be very weird to catch a wave at the point and end up here. Good surfers ususally avoid these spots.

The types that are going here are clueless or learners. If they are on big craft they need talking to.

I caught some of my first ever waves in the creek mouth, on a sup. But was half way between the beach and the groin. I was more worried about hitting another than anything else. That is why I started with help and in areas not as popular.

I understand where you are coming from regarding a beach break and groms. But sometimes the only decent breaks will have the crew and this will include Groms.

how young are you talking?
what skill level are you talking?
what age is the cut off?

There are surf rules and etiqute for a reason, If we all follow these with common sense A LOT more accidents would be avoided.

BTW, regardless of age or sex, it is usually the more skilled surfers that are avoiding a potential accident that has been initiated by a beginner.

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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husq2100 said...

I understand where you are coming from regarding a beach break and groms. But sometimes the only decent breaks will have the crew and this will include Groms.

how young are you talking?
what skill level are you talking?
what age is the cut off?

There are surf rules and etiqute for a reason, If we all follow these with common sense A LOT more accidents would be avoided.



How young ? Well it is for each to determine, and we all know a grom when we see one. but under 12 ish...... Also the main point here is going out where there is a large number of them.
I am not talking one or two floating around in the line up. When i have seen this done, it has been at a peak where you would have up to 15 + kids between ages 7-11 out. As you said common sense should prevail...unfortunately not. This is the only reason I posted.

Not really skill level, more size of kid compared to the size of SUP.


husq2100
QLD, 2019 posts
> 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
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what happened to SP's post

gumballs
NSW, 405 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Get over it.!!!!They're probably more dangerous to each other than anyone else in the water.

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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gumballs said...

Get over it.!!!!They're probably more dangerous to each other than anyone else in the water.


"get over it" ????? Say that to the guy at Nth Av who had to carry his kid up the beach with a 10 stitch worthy gash from the very type of sup'r we talking about here.

The purpose of this post was not to tell people what to do, was to make a point and hope that some of these gonzo's may read this forum and see common sense.

Because if people continue to do it, it will end badly eventually and makes it harder for the guys doing the right thing.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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As a newbie (possible kook), I struggle to sup near others anyway for fear of causing injury. Spent last week in Lorne and a lot of time at the beach with my kids - the main beach was packed and looked good for some small right-handers. After paddling around looking for gaps between the hundreds of kids/adults on foamies (bizarre sight by the way, 20 or more 'competent-surfer-looking' people trying to catch a wave, with most waves going to the beach empty), I caught a couple of small waves, but gave up soon due to the amount of swimmers and surfers paddling across in front of me, generally when that one in 10 set came through! Had to settle for a paddle up the coastline catching <1ft runners instead.

Suplove
NSW, 201 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Pete

You have brought a very valuable idea in to the light. I think Pete's point can extend to be mindful when entering the surf, on all equipment ... even body surfing ...

appsy
NSW, 198 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Don't worry about it PMORGAN I can understand totally what you are saying mate. And your post is relevant. Looks like this public forum has gone to ****. Seems like common sense has gone out the ****ing window. Reading seabreeze has become a bloody joke. A valid point from a obvious view point of water safety concerning young children.

pmorgan1974 said...

gumballs said...

Get over it.!!!!They're probably more dangerous to each other than anyone else in the water.


"get over it" ????? Say that to the guy at Nth Av who had to carry his kid up the beach with a 10 stitch worthy gash from the very type of sup'r we talking about here.

The purpose of this post was not to tell people what to do, was to make a point and hope that some of these gonzo's may read this forum and see common sense.

Because if people continue to do it, it will end badly eventually and makes it harder for the guys doing the right thing.


pmorgan1974
NSW, 1077 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Thanks Appsy, good to see some guys on here get what I was trying to say.
Pete

SP
8716 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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pmorgan1974 said...

gumballs said...

Get over it.!!!!They're probably more dangerous to each other than anyone else in the water.


"get over it" ????? Say that to the guy at Nth Av who had to carry his kid up the beach with a 10 stitch worthy gash from the very type of sup'r we talking about here.

The purpose of this post was not to tell people what to do, was to make a point and hope that some of these gonzo's may read this forum and see common sense.

Because if people continue to do it, it will end badly eventually and makes it harder for the guys doing the right thing.


May as well bang your head against a wall mate. Common sense is not that all that common.

How hard is it to be a decent human??? All you need to do is respect and give a **** about others. Pretty simple.


& husq, I deleted my post yesterday, kinda didn't want to jump into this but.... I did Then I thought better of it and deleted it. If you thought it was directed at you it wasn't, I understand your point about people turning up to beaches and not understanding that there is existing culture, etiquette and history.
But I reckon that is not what PM is talking about.

Scotty88
4214 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Sailhack said...

As a newbie (possible kook), I struggle to sup near others anyway for fear of causing injury. Spent last week in Lorne and a lot of time at the beach with my kids - the main beach was packed and looked good for some small right-handers. After paddling around looking for gaps between the hundreds of kids/adults on foamies (bizarre sight by the way, 20 or more 'competent-surfer-looking' people trying to catch a wave, with most waves going to the beach empty), I caught a couple of small waves, but gave up soon due to the amount of swimmers and surfers paddling across in front of me, generally when that one in 10 set came through! Had to settle for a paddle up the coastline catching <1ft runners instead.


Well said. That's me in a nutshell.

mbuzz
NSW, 207 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Did you get a photo of the villain for the sea breeze's most wanted wall?

E T
QLD, 2032 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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PM, I value remarks like yours and only occasionally respond because you cop so much flack if you dare to be a reasonable person rather than a self centred fool. It is good to see people with sense writing decent things in this forum. I can almost bet that I will get a roasting because I agree with your comments. Remember that there are reasonable people out there who don't do stupid things.

kourgen
NSW, 19 posts
> 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2012
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Theres a old saying you cant buy common sence... Sups near kids are a no go zone in my books.



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