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Marc Andreini - Talks design

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Created by leashless > 9 months ago, 28 May 2015
leashless
158 posts
28 May 2015 6:45AM
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Marc Andreini talking about one of his models the Vaquero (A hull-ish type board)

This info is taken from his own website - www.andreinisurfboards.com/

Marc Andreini is a designer and shaper of custom surfboards for over 40 years. Specializing in boards for all wave types, locations, and the special people who surf there. World wide shipping available.

The Vaquero is inspired by Greenough. Full outline. Single fin. Round tail with low rocker that features a rolled bottom forward fading into flat in the tail. A smooth flowing design. From 6'4' to 9'. For all around conditions all year round.



I found this to be super interesting....

Cobra
9106 posts
28 May 2015 8:37AM
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shaping is just down to opinions isn't it

opinions are like arseholes everyone has one.

even Roy

Cuttlefish
QLD, 1332 posts
28 May 2015 11:32AM
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I'd say its more about shapers like Andreini developing his own kind of boards (especially hulls) that work best for a certain style of surfing.
So he's trialled and errored his way through changing the design elements to suit that style and the waves they are most often ridden in and is now telling us about them.
It's when the shaper claims their designs are the be all and end all of surfboard design (and others are rubbish) that they open themselves up to proving the claims.

When they post videos of their boards in action it is easier for the watcher to decide for themselves whether they would like to surf how that board rides however...
I've read plenty of times that in regard to hulls its more about their underfoot sensation than the spectacle to the onlooker.

RoyStuart
532 posts
28 May 2015 10:19AM
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Cuttlefish said..


It's when the shaper claims their designs are the be all and end all of surfboard design (and others are rubbish) that they open themselves up to proving the claims.



I think that we all know who that's aimed at, but if so it's utter BS as I've never claimed anything of the sort, and when I do criticise other designs I do so in a reasoned way.

You'll notice that I have little or no criticism of current mainstream shortboard design, and have stated that I'm impressed by the impressive results which are being achieved in that realm.

Anyway I'm going to watch Marc's video, and have no doubt that I'll like most of what he has to say.

RoyStuart
532 posts
28 May 2015 10:28AM
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The board rides beautifully and the explanation is simple and sensible, I like it.

How long is the board in the video?

Cuttlefish
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28 May 2015 1:13PM
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RoyStuart said..

Cuttlefish said..


It's when the shaper claims their designs are the be all and end all of surfboard design (and others are rubbish) that they open themselves up to proving the claims.




I think that we all know who that's aimed at, but if so it's utter BS as I've never claimed anything of the sort, and when I do criticise other designs I do so in a reasoned way.

You'll notice that I have little or no criticism of current mainstream shortboard design, and have stated that I'm impressed by the impressive results which are being achieved in that realm.

Anyway I'm going to watch Marc's video, and have no doubt that I'll like most of what he has to say.


No. That just shows that you think I am talking about you...which is utter BS.

SP
10978 posts
28 May 2015 11:16AM
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Interesting clip, thanks leashless.

Now let's see if we can avoid this thread being taken of topic and turned into an ego wank....

Stop ****ing up good threads with childish dick measuring contests..

Macaha
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28 May 2015 1:23PM
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SP said..

Interesting clip, thanks leashless.

Now let's see if we can avoid this thread being taken of topic and turned into an ego wank....

Stop ****ing up good threads with childish dick measuring contests..


What SP said or I'm start a McTavish thread

SP
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28 May 2015 11:35AM
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Macaha said...
SP said..

Interesting clip, thanks leashless.

Now let's see if we can avoid this thread being taken of topic and turned into an ego wank....

Stop ****ing up good threads with childish dick measuring contests..


What SP said or I'm start a McTavish thread



Do it, I have a few mc tav mid length vids I wanna put up...
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RoyStuart
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28 May 2015 11:51AM
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Cuttlefish said..

RoyStuart said..


Cuttlefish said..


It's when the shaper claims their designs are the be all and end all of surfboard design (and others are rubbish) that they open themselves up to proving the claims.





I think that we all know who that's aimed at, but if so it's utter BS as I've never claimed anything of the sort, and when I do criticise other designs I do so in a reasoned way.

You'll notice that I have little or no criticism of current mainstream shortboard design, and have stated that I'm impressed by the impressive results which are being achieved in that realm.

Anyway I'm going to watch Marc's video, and have no doubt that I'll like most of what he has to say.



No. That just shows that you think I am talking about you...which is utter BS.



Ok, which shaper(s) are you referring to then?

I don't know of any who fit the description.

RoyStuart
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28 May 2015 11:53AM
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SP said..

Interesting clip, thanks leashless.

Now let's see if we can avoid this thread being taken of topic and turned into an ego wank....

Stop ****ing up good threads with childish dick measuring contests..


yeah I shouldn't have taken the bait.

Carry on....

Cuttlefish
QLD, 1332 posts
28 May 2015 1:58PM
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RoyStuart said..


Cuttlefish said..



RoyStuart said..




Cuttlefish said..


It's when the shaper claims their designs are the be all and end all of surfboard design (and others are rubbish) that they open themselves up to proving the claims.







I think that we all know who that's aimed at, but if so it's utter BS as I've never claimed anything of the sort, and when I do criticise other designs I do so in a reasoned way.

You'll notice that I have little or no criticism of current mainstream shortboard design, and have stated that I'm impressed by the impressive results which are being achieved in that realm.

Anyway I'm going to watch Marc's video, and have no doubt that I'll like most of what he has to say.





No. That just shows that you think I am talking about you...which is utter BS.




Ok, which shaper(s) are you referring to then?

I don't know of any who fit the description.


Well said by Onuela on Swaylocks...
“every genius is passionate about their baby and the list is long from Paul(penguin), to Roy(board design), to Griffin(5fin/G10) to Jeff Alexander(Gemini), to Simmons, to Blake, to Brewer, to Geoff McCoy/Cheyne Horan, to Mr X, to Mr velo spoon/mat, to Eckstrom, to Bufo, to Mike(Grain), to Tommy Petersen(BushRat), to Maurice Cole (Concaves), Y(Boogie), Mike(LibTech), to Bert(Balsa Rails) to Greg(Resin Research), to Blane(PaddleSurfHawaii), to all the fin guys.. you can't fault any of them for their passion in what they believe and sometimes for a few their passion can be blinding for its their baby, their lover their reason for being who they are and all that they went through to get there respect to them all and thank god they are there to keep pushing the envelope And if you do get to ride it ride it feet close togethor forward of center tiki stance.” Onuela, poster on swaylocks re Roy's 13'er.

A quick search of the net brings up a few examples from various forums though...
He's claiming his boards will go better than Stretch's at Mav's. Could get interesting (for those of you that enjoy the occasional trainwreck thread). forum.surfer.com/index.php Scroll down: "In the fashion stakes perhaps not, but in terms of function my boards are WAY ahead of yours . . . yours are improving however.

The central riding postion and spherical rocker with 50/50 planshape I've been doing for 17 years and ALL my boards gave identical overall tail and rocker measurements. . . the benefits of these features you have only just started to discover.

Your tail and fins need to be improved. . . if my boards had the chance to line up at Mavericks with yours in a regular basis you'd soon see who's on top." Roy. “That's why we started the pipeline challenge”

The board is one of the most perfect shapes ever created, and will ride pipeline exceptionally well.” Roy on Magic Seaweed forum.

“Elsewhere on the net, Roy has said that Frye Eagles are "dogs" and that they "don't turn well". Sammy A, Swaylocks forum.

“Almost a year ago I had a personal message exchange with Roy on another forum, after it had reached the over boiling point between him and most of the participants, in which I suggested that instead of making such absurd claims about his craft and feeling compelled to put down other shapers as a means of defending his shapes, he consider just presenting his unique craft on their own merits, make his points on why he builds and rides them, and let the 'public' receive them as they might. His personal message answer, to quote, was - '**** Off' A retort he has used multiple times on open forums when someone challenged or disagreed with his pretentious claims. Not "hey, check these boards out I build, think they are unique, this is the why and how." Uh-uh. It's "My boards would work better at Mavericks then Stretchs, whose rockers are all wrong. The right rider didn't ride them at Pipe. Randy Rarick is a lying kook with a private agenda to ruin me. I have sold multiple boards for hundreds of thousand of dollars each. etc. etc.” ICC, Swaylocks forum.

RoyStuart
532 posts
28 May 2015 11:59AM
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I'm most interested in the idea that the bottom roll changes the roll angle of the board during trim, enhancing the trim.. I don't undertand it fully though, do you fellows get it?

Lol at the bait posted above

leashless
158 posts
28 May 2015 12:07PM
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CJ Nelson and the 9' 6'' Andrini Vaquero.

"I was lucky enough to score this beautiful Andrini Vaquero a few months back. This board was made for Kirk Putnam to emulate boards that were ridden in a certain segment of ''Innermost limits of pure fun". Its a blast to ride such a long hull. It taught me a lot about trim and positioning. Thank you Marc for telling me the history and theory behind this particular board. Great design. camera-Justin Bowers music-Beachwood sparks"


SP
10978 posts
28 May 2015 12:23PM
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Another great post leasless


And Cuttlefish.. Seriously???
No one farking cares... Take your own little online vendetta elsewhere this used to be a very entertaing surfing forum..

It is now approaching maximum lameness due to the attitude of a few...

Shame that all good surfing/ shaping topics are now being ruined by the ego stroking of some..

One guess who is handing out the Reds... Even more lame.....Haha..

Cuttlefish
QLD, 1332 posts
28 May 2015 2:47PM
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SP said..
Another great post leasless


And Cuttlefish.. Seriously???
No one farking cares... Take your own little online vendetta elsewhere this used to be a very entertaing surfing forum..

It is now approaching maximum lameness due to the attitude of a few...

Shame that all good surfing/ shaping topics are now being ruined by the ego stroking of some..


I have no vendetta.
I surf many forums is all and have seen much first hand that you have yet to experience young grasshopper...but let us not tarry on such trivial matters...Let's go surfing instead of hanging around here arguing about surfboards and players of footerball.

Cobra
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28 May 2015 2:05PM
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SP said..
Another great post leasless


And Cuttlefish.. Seriously???
No one farking cares... Take your own little online vendetta elsewhere this used to be a very entertaing surfing forum..

It is now approaching maximum lameness due to the attitude of a few...

Shame that all good surfing/ shaping topics are now being ruined by the ego stroking of some..

One guess who is handing out the Reds... Even more lame.....Haha..


well said SP.

i vote SP for president,,,sorry Asea,,mac told me to say that.

SP
10978 posts
28 May 2015 4:41PM
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62mac will always be the pres in my book...



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