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QLD
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Posted 17/01/2011, 12:52 pm        Report Show Profile
i want to design my own freeride board and build it but not sure how??
VIC
1326 Posts
Posted 17/01/2011, 1:10 pm        Report Show Profile
Have a read... It will give you an idea of how boards are made. But be warned that if you go down this path you may end up spending all your money and have a pig of a board. http://www.boardlady.com/anatomy.htm
280 Posts
Posted 17/01/2011, 3:27 pm        Report Show Profile
consult a board builder, show him your design, how you want to do it. If you feel confident about the shapes, do it on your own, but maybe try to copy a veryfied shape fro the first time.... I made a shape on my own, next month I start laminating sandwich (needed $$$ for the material)... I will pay a board builder for vacuuming and all the needed material for it (peel ply, bag etc.), he will also advise me how to do all the dirty work, since I'll do it at his workshop. I am trembeling in fear to see whether the board is going to be functional or not. I made it short, wide and a nose rocker in a freewave spirit ... 225cmx65cm, bottom is more or less flat, with a bit of vee from 1/3 towards the nose. Hope it copes well in chop, I think it will do good on flat water, but also hoping for small waves up to 1.5m :) Volume of the blank is 87L but I expoect additional 7-9L when adding all the material on EPS core. P.S.: jermaldan gave you a very useful link to get a view into all the important parts of a board's shape and understand their meaning. check this topic, a lot has been said.... http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Wave-sailing/bigger-wave-board-part-2fat-btard-wave-sailing/?page=1
NSW
1478 Posts
Posted 17/01/2011, 3:29 pm        Report Show Profile
google it
QLD
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Posted 17/01/2011, 5:01 pm        Report Show Profile
i did but not much came up
WA
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Posted 17/01/2011, 7:33 pm        Report Show Profile
Not to put you off as it is an aweome project but you need to have a looong chat with somebody who does custom sandwich boards. Or at least.... Have a look at www.ecboards.co.uk.Menu on the left side down the bottom is a how to section. That will show you how involved it is - and it does not even cover the very complex area of designing a shape that works. If you read every last bit of that and still wanna do it, go for it!
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Posted 17/01/2011, 7:42 pm        Report Show Profile
I had a year or even more of just collecting the data, now I've shaped the EPS, next month it's laminating time...
NSW
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Posted 17/01/2011, 8:01 pm        Report Show Profile
switch101 said...
i want to design my own freeride board and build it but not sure how??
have you thought about modifying an old board heres an old longreef express after removeing all the glass and reshapeing
WA
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Posted 18/01/2011, 8:24 am        Report Show Profile
get in contact with RIDER the best custom shaper in perth by a long shot and not with just a few years of shaping but with many many years experience on the water and in his shed he knows his stuff
VIC
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Posted 18/01/2011, 8:47 am        Report Show Profile
Ive been investigating this too, You can get Mal blanks that are 3" thick (9'6"+) and shape them back. Im considering copying the tail shape off my surf mal but with more float under mast. (to make a lightwind freeride board) the foam blanks come with pre spec rockers, and if your happy with a flat bottom then it wont be rocket science. I think the hardest part would be routing in the mast and fin box, then glassing in. (plus correct positioning) - but again its do able. There will be heaps on you tube of how to glass surfboards, so try there first. maybe use a heavier cloth around mast base, foot straps and nose. the mast and fin boxes can be robbed from f*cked boards. If i had more time on my hands I would definately go down this road.
NSW
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Posted 18/01/2011, 12:18 pm        Report Show Profile
yeah second what mark said about ecboards that was well worth reading a few times, Also I found this one useful. http://www.lbwindsurfing.com/raceboard/design-construction-longboard-windsurfer/ Took a bit of creative googling to find that, and also the Nelson videos on youtube.. Search for nelson factory custom windsurfing, get some popcorn on the go and enjoy.. This one is my second effort, prepare for lots of haters if anything on it doesnt look perfect.. regards the shaping, depends how good you were in woodwork in school..
WA
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Posted 18/01/2011, 8:46 pm        Report Show Profile
Downtheline said...
get in contact with RIDER the best custom shaper in perth by a long shot and not with just a few years of shaping but with many many years experience on the water and in his shed he knows his stuff
Umm What about NUDE? only have some of the best wave sailors and the fastest guy in the country riding them.. and only took 4 podium spots in the lano classic this year.. No disrespect to RIDER...
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Posted 19/01/2011, 4:48 pm        Report Show Profile
Nude boards look like great boards that go really well but I don't think podium spots is an indication of how good boards are, great sailors can sail any old board really well. But if that's a factor what about Mark Stone he's making comp winning boards too, Jeager uses them. or Mike AKA Decrepit down in Mandurah.
280 Posts
Posted 19/01/2011, 5:46 pm        Report Show Profile
Any experienced shaper can give sufficient information for designing one's first board...so it shouldn't really matter :)
QLD
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Posted 19/01/2011, 7:43 pm        Report Show Profile
ecboards is the best one still on the net. This is the link to nelson http://www.nelsonfactory.com/en/the-factory/video1.php A few more links http://www.akushaper.com/ http://www.swaylocks.com/ (more for surfboards ) http://www.gurit.com/core/core_picker/download.asp?documenttable=libraryfiles&id=1119 http://www.surfboardbuilding.com/index.html and if you want a real chaep board http://pages.infinit.net/endo99/board.html Try to find some one local to help if you can and give it a go. Your 1st effort wont be the perfect board but it will still be worth the effort once you get it on the water. A lot of the material are toxic so stay safe on OH&S.
VIC
588 Posts
Posted 19/01/2011, 8:23 pm        Report Show Profile
keef said...
switch101 said...
i want to design my own freeride board and build it but not sure how??
have you thought about modifying an old board heres an old longreef express after removeing all the glass and reshapeing
I've seen Keef's home made boards. They're great! They look like something off a Mad Max set and when he gets em on the water, the old b******d smokes everyone!
NSW
1200 Posts
Posted 19/01/2011, 8:58 pm        Report Show Profile
echunda said... I've seen Keef's home made boards. They're great! They look like something off a Mad Max set and when he gets em on the water, the old b******d smokes everyone!
thanks for the revup george , the way i see it is theres no point in making a board you can already buy,its funny, guys sailing sanctuary point for the first time see my slalom board and say wotthefrrrrk
United Kingdom
285 Posts
Posted 20/01/2011, 8:31 am        Report Show Profile
Just copy other peoples designs - like you have with my avatar (from Boards & GPSTC!) It was a design I came up with a few years ago after getting catapulted by a downed kite, and think it works on so many levels. Imiation is the most sincere form of flattery, I dont mind and would love to see stickers of it on all windsurfers cars
VIC
588 Posts
Posted 20/01/2011, 8:57 am        Report Show Profile
redsurfbus said...
I dont mind and would love to see stickers of it on all windsurfers cars
Well, why not? Make some stickers and sell them on fleabay. I'd buy one! Hey Keef, Post a pic of your Mad Max board.
WA
567 Posts
Posted 20/01/2011, 10:49 am        Report Show Profile
Oh I feel so disrespected and dirty PC Anyone with the strong desire and a tiny bit of dexterity can shape and make a board I have a quote from Jimmy Lewis "copy a fast board use lots of measurements" The difference between an awesome board and an average board is only under a couple of mm, the difference between an average board and a pig is usually 10mm plus. If you take your time and stick to your planned measurements you should get a reasonable board. Understanding how the water will flow across the boards surface and how the tiniest of changes(less than mm's) will affect the board, will allow you to shape a great board. But until you have this knowledge of water flow from the experience of shaping and sailing many many many boards, copy a board to the mm from a very experienced world class shaper. Like most projects the planning/preparation(taking measurements and marking them out) would be the most crucial part. I made my first epoxy sandwhich boards with the most basic equipment eg I bought 2 second hand vacuum cleaners and swapped them every 45 minutes during the vac bagging process. Go for it, there is heaps of info on the net these days you just have to put in the time to find it and absorb it. One day when I get some time I will make up a step by step website on how to make a board using the most basic and budget equipment. Oh and thanks for the compliments DTL
NSW
1200 Posts
Posted 20/01/2011, 1:20 pm        Report Show Profile
switch101 said...
i want to design my own freeride board and build it but not sure how??
how about we go back to the start, now we haven't heard from switch for a while so i think hes off the idea the way i see it again is, he wants to build a freeride, now if he cant find a board already made then make one, simple as that i wouldn't class myself as a board designer or builder but there isn't a board on the market suited to the conditions i sail in so i make them, now if i sailed at sandypoint and sailed the speed strip and walked up the bank i would build a board with less than 100mm because there the sailing conditions i would be sailing in and i dont think you can buy a board with less than 100mm rocker going back to my first post about redesigning an old board, taking into consideration that you know sweet FA about designing 90% of the shaping has already been done, with that board there is no divinycell because it has a polyurethane hard core all you need is some extra glass in the stress areas there is no vac bag because you don't need it , all you need is the bleeder peel ply, the reason i didn't use the vac bag is i couldn't get my switch on the pump to cut out at under 15kpa, didnt want to disturb the rocker even with a rocker template i now Ive had the board to 34 on the dial and a 22+alpha , i own a CA55 and a CA44 and the best i can get out of either of them is 31 and i doubt if i could get a 20 alpha on the44 so if you do your sums you can design a board for your sailing conditions for under $180 that's taking into account that you can get a hardcore board for $10 at your local tip or a giveaway on buy and sell now I'm expecting a few red thumbs from the board designers and builders for the comments on no divi.and no pump and maybe a couple from the sandypoint guys so go ahead I'm ready for them ps enchunda ill take a pic of maxie after ive cleaned it up and a bit presentable, i'ts looking a bit sad after a few modifications
NSW
349 Posts
Posted 21/01/2011, 7:48 pm        Report Show Profile
keef i have a glass board i could slightly reshape move mast track foot straps whats the easiest way to strip off the old glass & can i glue in the cut off nose bits into old holes ? thanks max
NSW
1200 Posts
Posted 21/01/2011, 8:43 pm        Report Show Profile
actionmax im not sure if the polyester glass will come off the same as epoxy but anything is possible,a lot of old glass boards had plastic US boxes and mast tracks, but if your not going to use the board and you want a bit of shaping practice you have nothing to loose , do you know the volume and length of your glass board too take the glass off you just need to use a router on the bottom, say 4" either side of the center line and score the glass, then with a Stanley knife carefully cut through to the glass, it should pull off with just a fine even layer of foam, just keep on going over the whole board with the Stanly knife after you have reshaped you will need to give the blank a light layer of micro balloons , if you decide to go a head with the project start your own post and see if there are any professional guys out there that are experienced in pollster boards ,and how easy the glass will come off yes you can use foam from the nose to fill in the old mastrack , to do that just use some spray contact adhesive, don't use resin it's to heavy
WA
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Posted 22/01/2011, 12:17 am        Report Show Profile
You know i still love ya Rider... did the Quad Mod work?
WA
567 Posts
Posted 25/01/2011, 9:56 pm        Report Show Profile
Hey PC Yes it worked the board felt very much like a quad it trucked upwind, had a skatey feel and had more grip in the top turn and feels like it turns smaller arcs than the twin, but I have gone back to using it as a twin at my local, I just prefer the feel as a twin with big fins in cr4py cross onshore conditions with that lovely side current.
 
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