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Robots...good or bad for the economy

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Created by Vince68 > 9 months ago, 18 Nov 2015
Vince68
WA, 675 posts
18 Nov 2015 7:33PM
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A total brick laying robot. This is quite amazing but... it's another process that eliminates the labourer. Jobless rate rises!! Jobs becoming extinct. Sad really. What do people do when they have nothing to do and have no money? The global population is increasing but the jobs are declining because of the automated world. What are your thoughts?

www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/see-mark-pivacs-hadrian-109-build-a-house-as-fastbrick-robotics-lists-on-asx/news-story/ca73e40ddca47be9d6db7de116fc01ac

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
18 Nov 2015 8:57PM
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Load of bollocks

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
19 Nov 2015 3:39AM
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Given a lot of Ausies think they're above repetitive manual labour for minumum award wage we needs the robots to get sh1t done. Or, we can keep buying stuff made in China.

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
19 Nov 2015 9:59AM
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because there was no one who designed and built that robot or maintains it...
1 Jobless labourer could mean 5 more jobs created - then we get better at making robots and export them rather than coal.
If its not us it will just be another country who we end up buying them from

dmitri
VIC, 1040 posts
19 Nov 2015 10:31AM
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good ! apparently there is a shortage of brickies in Melbourne if the plastered timber frames $hit being built all over.

bring on the proper double brick (cheap ?) houses built by robots !

Macroscien
QLD, 6791 posts
19 Nov 2015 9:50AM
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Not all jobs are at risk. Are they?
What about escorts ? Definitely could be economical, serve more customers for less.

Paradox
QLD, 1321 posts
19 Nov 2015 12:46PM
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Not a bad thing at all....as mentioned that robot creates employment in other industries.

If your kids are stuck on being a brickie other manual type employment for a career then yes, some trouble is brewing.

Educate your kids in technology related fields, otherwise they will find themselves on the wrong side of a growing wealth divide in the future....

Rex
WA, 949 posts
19 Nov 2015 12:19PM
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vpar said..
A total brick laying robot. This is quite amazing but... it's another process that eliminates the labourer. Jobless rate rises!! Jobs becoming extinct. Sad really. What do people do when they have nothing to do and have no money? The global population is increasing but the jobs are declining because of the automated world. What are your thoughts?

www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/see-mark-pivacs-hadrian-109-build-a-house-as-fastbrick-robotics-lists-on-asx/news-story/ca73e40ddca47be9d6db7de116fc01ac



I don't see it as being much different to offshoring jobs to reduce labour costs. Either way it brings the impact home, people will embrace it because it doesn't affect them.

AUS1111
WA, 3617 posts
19 Nov 2015 1:07PM
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Of course it's good for the economy - more productivity = less input for more output.

Of course in the short term it may not be good for some particular participants in the economy i.e. bricklayers, but they can be deployed elsewhere.

If things that could otherwise be automated were done manually just for the sake of jobs, we might as well do away with combine harvesters and all go and cut the wheat with nail-scissors. At least we'd be busy!

There are plenty of other jobs that will disappear or at least be diminished in the future, and many are white-collar; salespeople of various types (cars, real estate, travel), for example.

It's OK.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
19 Nov 2015 2:12PM
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Good until they take over and we become the workers.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Nov 2015 5:55PM
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AUS1111 said...
Of course it's good for the economy - more productivity = less input for more output.


Unfortunately that statement represents everything that is wrong with the global economy.

A more logical statement would read 'more input for a better (and more sustainable) output.'

GreenPat
QLD, 4083 posts
19 Nov 2015 5:03PM
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Seth Shostak said..
We come from goldfish, essentially, but that [doesn't] mean we turned around and killed all the goldfish. Maybe [the machines] will feed us once a week....If you had a machine with a 10 to the 18th power IQ over humans, wouldn't you want it to govern, or at least control your economy?


Bring on the robots. If we can get them set up so they do all the work and we just concentrate on whatever it is we enjoy (kitesurfing etc), and still have a good standard of living (ie. Basic Income: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income), I reckon it will be much better than having to sell ourselves to the man for fortyish hours a week.

I, for one, welcome our new [machine] overlords...

Jman
VIC, 873 posts
19 Nov 2015 6:21PM
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Only problem is the robots will get built in china and then not long after that designed there too!! We can't win!!

AUS1111
WA, 3617 posts
19 Nov 2015 5:02PM
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Sailhack said..

AUS1111 said...
Of course it's good for the economy - more productivity = less input for more output.



Unfortunately that statement represents everything that is wrong with the global economy.

A more logical statement would read 'more input for a better (and more sustainable) output.'


How about "More input for a gender-neutral, sustainable output"?

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
19 Nov 2015 8:49PM
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Good idea !!!! bricklaying is most definitely a good job for a robot !!


may be they will cost less than a dollar a brick !!!

maybe they will lay a good brick !!

maybe they will keep working after lunch !!!

maybe they wont fill the cavity up with mud !

maybe they will tell the builder to order material before they run out of it !

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Nov 2015 10:06PM
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AUS1111 said...
Sailhack said..

AUS1111 said...
Of course it's good for the economy - more productivity = less input for more output.



Unfortunately that statement represents everything that is wrong with the global economy.

A more logical statement would read 'more input for a better (and more sustainable) output.'


How about "More input for a gender-neutral, sustainable output"?


Now you're just being silly.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
19 Nov 2015 8:06PM
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"Good or bad for the economy"

We will be forced to rethink our model for the economy and society ..

cause at the end of a working week,

a robot doesn't go and spend his pay cheque at the store.

kk
WA, 941 posts
19 Nov 2015 9:54PM
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^^ Good point WaveSlave, but at the same time it has produced "widgets" during the working week that will benefit mankind.

I know much of it is consumer items at the moment, but relative to wages "stuff" cost much less than it ever did, so even if you're on the dole you can still buy stuff with money that is paid by tax from the people that own the robots. That wasn't the case years ago, unemployed could never dream of buying a new anything (fridge, tv, lounge,phone, etc)

But I do think life is more complicated now.

As for brick laying robots, how about 3D printed concrete walls, even cheaper still.



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