Hi
i am borrowing a Naish crossover 120 (30 inch wide by 7'4) as i await my new 2021 Naish board to arrive
Im fine standing on the crossover 120..plently stable to get up off the knees etc, even as a Wing beginner (@ 90kg) and got some short flights on my first day..frustratingly a bit too light for a novice but do-able.
Im yet to decide to take the 110 (29 inch) or 125 (31 inch) S25 Wing model and trying to understand the impact on board dims other than the obvious stability difference
Q1. Are there any advtanges over a wider model eg would it be quicker to plane as its wider & longer (6'4 vs 5'10), which would be good for a beginner? Would the reduced waterline on the smaller version actually make it harder / slower to plane? Or are the board dims irrelevant in this regard?
Q2. What about pumping/release...easier on the smaller model or harder?
Sorry again for the naive questions,Northy
Width and thickness isn't going to effect the pump and ability to get on foil faster but length will. Shorter length, quicker to get on foil, easier to pump, less wind needed to get on foil. Maybe I'm wrong but that's been my experience.
I have the 125 and it's very easy to use at 90 kg the 110 maybe fine for winging but will be harder work sup foiling. I wouldn't swap my 125 for a 110
Shorter length is definitely easier to pump but that doesn't always mean easier to get on foil. For example, if the shorter board sinks more, it will be harder to get on foil. Also, if a rider does not have good board pumping technique, that rider may get flying sooner with a longer board and more surface speed.
You can't go wrong with the Hover 125 at your weight.
Smaller boards might pump better but that's only once they are up and foiling.
Using a small board (for your body weight) will often result in pushing much more water trying to get onto the foil.
Select to expand quoteflkiter said..
Width and thickness isn't going to effect the pump and ability to get on foil faster but length will. Shorter length, quicker to get on foil, easier to pump, less wind needed to get on foil. Maybe I'm wrong but that's been my experience.
flkiter,
I think david John read this as "easier to pump" on wing. maybe not
I thought for a second you were trying to explain that it was easier to pump in the water. In my head there may be something to this. While you are trying to catch the wave(or get up with wing) and pumping in the water, if you have a shorter board, arent you pushing less board from front to back into the water?
The shorter board would not glide as easy "on board" etc, but maybe the advantage of in water pumpability should be considered. Especially on these high volume short bricks folks are riding.
What do you think about in water pumpability, in general? (winging, or surf foiling)
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I find with a longer board, you have more negative force against the foil since there is more material in front of the foil. So think of it as a wrench. The longer the handle, more pressure you can put on it making it easier to crank. This can also be a negative. If a board is long past the tracks in the tail then the board needs to come up off the water on a less vertical direction since the tail will hit if it's too steep of an angle. So short, thick, wide and little to no flat area behind the tracks will get the board to be able to get off the water quicker. Same goes for sup foiling.
Now for a wing specific board, double chime can help cause once you get power in the wing, the water in the chimes will be replaced with air and up you go. Sup it acts as a catch and makes the paddle stroke slower.
What about a short inflatable boards? They carry lots of volume but in a shorter shape. In the video of the Gong Hipe Patrice (owner/shaper) recons its the easiest board in their range to get onto the foil. The new Fone range also carry lots of volume for their moderate size. For me still as a beginner anything to help early flights would be good!! Inflatables maybe best if both worlds keeping comfy volume in a short shape?
I've only tried a 7'+ inflatable board once and I really didn't like it. So I can't comment on the smaller ones. Not sure how long those would hold up tho. If you're in the states, get an order in with DWF and you'll be killing it on his designs.
