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Created by psychojoe Two weeks ago, 13 Jul 2021
psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
13 Jul 2021 6:18AM
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No. I don't have the answers on this one, but given the growing knowledge on the subject I thought it might be nice to have a thread for it.

From what I've read so far, a baby's gut microbiome should be simple and an adult's should be complex. And older women benefit from estrogenic isoflavones but children should avoid them but will benefit from non-estrogenic isoflavones.
A reduced lectin, increased prebiotic fibre diet to increase the production of buyteric acid and pentanoate sounds like a generally good idea, although since complexity is key, then foods to avoid probably still need to be eaten.

Let the corrections begin.

PS. Has anyone tried Tempeh?

HotBodMon
NSW, 452 posts
13 Jul 2021 8:53AM
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This guy always give me something to think about ( & try ) .Mostly for farmers but interesting enough.Immune enhancement.podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8zNDQ3ZWY4L3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz/episode/OGQ4MGEwZGItZmYzZS00ODQzLWExMDQtM2UxNWE5NjMxMDFk?sa=X&ved=0CA0QkfYCahcKEwigioz6zt7xAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ

Buster fin
WA, 2367 posts
13 Jul 2021 7:49AM
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Tempeh yes. Also Kinase is under appreciated. It offers a whole range of beneficial goodness. Get it from fermented soy beans ( natto) from asian supermarkets or make it yourself.

bazz61
QLD, 3522 posts
13 Jul 2021 10:46AM
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Gut health is more important than most people realize, for years I suffered from bloat , gas , runny s....ts, but the worst was loss of concentration , couldn't hold a conversation with out mind drifting off , this led to anxiety & depression , this happened over a 15 year period .I'm late 50s.
Your body is starved of the nutrients it needs to function properly due to inflamed Villi on gut lining .
Now on a GF diet for last 2.5 years has made a world of difference , most symptoms disappear if I do my part & stick to diet , also no junk food & GF diet has resulted in weight loss and fitness/stamina increasing now fitter than ever except for a bit of arthritis which I think is most probably linked to gut health .
If any of you out there suffer from the black dog etc It wouldn't hurt to try a GF free diet , the reading of food labels is important and mandatory on a GF diet & you soon realize the amount of sugar and crap that is in our modern diet .

Buster fin
WA, 2367 posts
13 Jul 2021 12:14PM
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GF = gluten free, peeps. I had to look it up

psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
13 Jul 2021 2:30PM
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HotBodMon said..
This guy always give me something to think about ( & try ) .Mostly for farmers but interesting enough.Immune enhancement.podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8zNDQ3ZWY4L3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz/episode/OGQ4MGEwZGItZmYzZS00ODQzLWExMDQtM2UxNWE5NjMxMDFk?sa=X&ved=0CA0QkfYCahcKEwigioz6zt7xAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ


That was brilliant. What an easy listen to an awesomely knowledgable guy. A little surprised that he didn't mention excess available endogenous hyaluron when he skimmed over alveolar coagulation, but just brilliant. Thanks!

eppo
WA, 8141 posts
13 Jul 2021 10:01PM
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My son has ulcerative colitis so gut health is something we've looked a lot into. Eventually got to a place we eat no refined sugars, grains and the worst of all worst - seed oils (it's in just about everything by the way). Couple that with intermittent 16hr fasting and you will lose weight and feel a million bucks. Read plenty but the 2 meal a day book by mark sisson is a great summary of it all with some great practical steps one can take.

psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
14 Jul 2021 9:28AM
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eppo said..
My son has ulcerative colitis so gut health is something we've looked a lot into. Eventually got to a place we eat no refined sugars, grains and the worst of all worst - seed oils (it's in just about everything by the way). Couple that with intermittent 16hr fasting and you will lose weight and feel a million bucks. Read plenty but the 2 meal a day book by mark sisson is a great summary of it all with some great practical steps one can take.


Same me a read and be tell me what you do about school lunches.

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
14 Jul 2021 12:54PM
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eppo said..
My son has ulcerative colitis so gut health is something we've looked a lot into. Eventually got to a place we eat no refined sugars, grains and the worst of all worst - seed oils (it's in just about everything by the way). Couple that with intermittent 16hr fasting and you will lose weight and feel a million bucks. Read plenty but the 2 meal a day book by mark sisson is a great summary of it all with some great practical steps one can take.


Funny that you mention this.
Im about to have my first meal for today since last night . An starving . I had a few olives and coffee so not a full fast . Trying to eliminate brekky

eppo
WA, 8141 posts
14 Jul 2021 1:57PM
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You get used to it. Eventually your body activates the other energy production system (burning fat) as you more readily move into ketosis. Takes a while to adjust and you don't want to go too hard too soon or your body will just start using amino acids (muscle) for energy. Anyhow read that book I mentioned - he calls it "liquidating your assets". You don't want to do that. Takes a while to awaken the burning of fat for energy system as it's been paralysed by all the crap our modern diet provides us.

what I like about Mark Sissons approach is it doesn't matter whether you are a GF, vegan, carnivore bla bla bla - you can still follow whatever diet you've made up in your head is right. Just need to replace the toxic junk food we now eat in abundance with ancestral nutrient dense foods and couple this with fasting and movement. Then food actually becomes less important. Your day doesn't revolve around it


brain (especially) and body loves ketones by the way. They burn clean.


anyhow you will be shocked when you look at labels now. 95 percent of food is faaaaaarked. But cheap to make. And of course you can amplify all this with organic stuff but hey, whose got the time and money. We try at least to a certain degree but it's got to be practical.


Then after a few months whack some refined carbs in you . and see how thoroughly sh1te you feel.

japie
NSW, 6240 posts
14 Jul 2021 4:36PM
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Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.

japie
NSW, 6240 posts
14 Jul 2021 4:57PM
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I have yet to read this. Does soil contribute to the human gut biome

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6780873/

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
14 Jul 2021 6:40PM
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japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.


Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?

psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
14 Jul 2021 5:06PM
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Gboots said..

japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.



Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?


I got a mate in France that did 15 days.
Currently he's focused on sulforaphane from broccoli sprouts.

japie
NSW, 6240 posts
14 Jul 2021 7:31PM
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Gboots said..

japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.



Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?


Yes but I worked up to it over quite a few months. I've found now that I just eat less generally.
Also eat masses of fruit while at work. When nectarines are in season I'll eat 16 most days.

crustysailor
VIC, 793 posts
14 Jul 2021 8:07PM
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A few green thumbs and some logically sounding comments peaked my interest.
I read the excerpts from Eppos suggestion, 2 meals a day book on the co authors website.

Sounded ok, logical, makes sense, less snacks, 2 meals got it, fair enough etc.
Some of the reviews suggested it was just a good all round summary, good place to start your journey etc .

Thats ok, i'm still in.
Lets check the co author.

Guinness World Record Holder for Speedgolf.
bradkearns.com/

hmmmm.

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
14 Jul 2021 9:41PM
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japie said..

Gboots said..


japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.




Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?



Yes but I worked up to it over quite a few months. I've found now that I just eat less generally.
Also eat masses of fruit while at work. When nectarines are in season I'll eat 16 most days.


I thought the sugar would be bad ?
What about nuts ? Good fats no sugar (eg almonds, walnuts , pecans) ?

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
14 Jul 2021 10:23PM
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This Doctor has some good videos (in general)

psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
14 Jul 2021 8:30PM
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Gboots said..

japie said..


Gboots said..



japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.





Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?




Yes but I worked up to it over quite a few months. I've found now that I just eat less generally.
Also eat masses of fruit while at work. When nectarines are in season I'll eat 16 most days.



I thought the sugar would be bad ?
What about nuts ? Good fats no sugar (eg almonds, walnuts , pecans) ?


Peanuts and almonds are high in lectins, some lectins are considered antinutrients so I've put them in the eat but eat less basket. Brazil nuts contain selenium so they're great, pistachios are also fit the reduced lectin diet.

eppo
WA, 8141 posts
14 Jul 2021 8:48PM
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japie said..



Gboots said..




japie said..
Preservatives have transformed food in the last 120 odd years. Without them mass food production and distribution as we have today would be virtually impossible.

Preservatives are designed to stop bacteria from spoiling food. When you swallow them they also work on the bacteria in your gut.

Been fasting for three years now. Was a bit wary at first having been indoctrinated by the post war mantra "finish your food" and the old adage about eating while sick to keep your strength up. Swear by it now. Absolutely.

Vitality, weight loss, no inflammation, sleep better, wake up better. And shiploads cheaper. I've always watched what I eat and modified the menu significantly over the years.

Going hungry for short periods is a tiny price to pay for good health.

My longest effort was 9 days. Cheated a bit drinking black coffee and coconut water. I didn't crap on the fifth day. Day six bit of a runny gut. Day seven and I felt a bowel movement coming on. Titanic turd!

I broke it eating a kilo of grapes. They travelled the entire route in an hour and forty five minutes!

Read about autophagy. And The Complete Guide To Fasting. Written by a kidney doctor in Canada who had reversed 2000 cases of type two diabetes at time of writing.






Japie did you do 9 days straight without eating a proper meal ?





Yes but I worked up to it over quite a few months. I've found now that I just eat less generally.
Also eat masses of fruit while at work. When nectarines are in season I'll eat 16 most days.




I thought the sugar would be bad ?
What about nuts ? Good fats no sugar (eg almonds, walnuts , pecans) ?



Good fats are essential. I've never eaten so much fat in my life yet I lost 10kg and now I'm at my balance point - just remain there. Fruit is fine in moderation but only as long as it is in season. Our genome is not designed to cope with fruit grown all over the world and in season continually.
Got to be careful through its energy source is fructose and fructose needs to be digested through the liver. The same place that creates triglycerides to help store toxins in your fat cells. You don't use it will be stored in there.

so in moderation and when in season. Our ancestors did not gorge themselves on fruit in winter! Ancestors that lived not many generations ago - we still as yet share the systems evolved over millions of years. Systems that don't take kindly to the mass production and distribution of food - and the preservatives needed to allow this to happen. Don't believe me look up the latest obesity, diabetes and other major illness stats. We are becoming / have become a very sick animal.


Mark Sisson I think holds he Guinness book of records for the longest plank - over 8 hours or something. Crazy!!
To be honest his book is a good place to start and a good place to finish. Ive studies and read all sorts over the years - he seems to bring it all together in a no nonsense way.


9 days fast. Crikey Japie. The literature I've read says their is just as much benefit doing a 16/8 fast with the occasional 24 hr fast. No need to go overboard man. You could do more damage than good as your body starts compensating against the starvation.

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
15 Jul 2021 1:17PM
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Just hit 20 hours today and still not really hungry .
Might push for 24 hours

nebbian
WA, 6248 posts
15 Jul 2021 12:04PM
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I've been eating one meal a day for well over a year now. Lost 15 kg, and don't feel hungry outside my normal meal time (which is lunch). The western idea of eating a massive meal for dinner and then lying down for 8 hours instead of burning it off just doesn't make sense to me.Like Eppo says, you get used to it. The hardest part is cooking an awesome dinner for the family, and having to wait till lunch the next day to enjoy it. Apart from that it's great.

After a year of just doing the one meal a day thing (with pretty much no exercise), I'd plateaued at just between the "healthy" and "overweight" categories, so now I've added exercise into the mix. The weight is just falling off now.

Go for it GBoots. Google "One Meal A Day" for more info.

Carantoc
WA, 5392 posts
15 Jul 2021 12:15PM
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They say it is 90% diet and 10% exercise.


meh...., whadda they know ?
Doesn't work for me. I spend 90% of my time eating and 10% exercising and I am still a fat bastard.

I've never seen donuts listed in the 'bad nut diet' category, so I assume they are one of the good nuts.

crustysailor
VIC, 793 posts
16 Jul 2021 1:18PM
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one meal a day is a good effort.

I'd really like to try, and need to pull my finger out, as older age seems to have cut out more of the active lifestyle that used to exist when I was 30. Knees, back and shoulders make too many things feel harder than I remember.

I'm just not sure I can get it down to one meal though, even if I do upsize it from a Quarter pounder meal.
Good luck.

japie
NSW, 6240 posts
16 Jul 2021 1:53PM
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crustysailor said..
one meal a day is a good effort.

I'd really like to try, and need to pull my finger out, as older age seems to have cut out more of the active lifestyle that used to exist when I was 30. Knees, back and shoulders make too many things feel harder than I remember.

I'm just not sure I can get it down to one meal though, even if I do upsize it from a Quarter pounder meal.
Good luck.


Lay your hands on a copy of this.From memory mine only cost about nine bucks for the digital version

www.booktopia.com.au/the-complete-guide-to-fasting-jimmy-moore/book/9781628600018.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwub-HBhCyARIsAPctr7xTCJEi49Ug56C4ErvHvVsV4UZONt_8msqRCtWX_XhAn-hOdhmUAwMaAn6vEALw_wcB

Gboots
NSW, 1179 posts
16 Jul 2021 5:50PM
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Managed 23 Hours yesterday and 20 today.
It's a good option when in lockdown as food is always around the corner. My main aim is gut health and reducing inflammation

eppo
WA, 8141 posts
16 Jul 2021 5:59PM
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One meal a day is fine and dandy but what are you eating on that one meal? Plenty of skinny people who are a ticking time bomb on the inside. That being said fasting is the number one health food supplement on the planet. And it's free.

psychojoe
WA, 1127 posts
22 Jul 2021 10:17AM
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I thought this article was pretty interesting
Especially given MS patients are still denied access to medical marijuana.
Sorry Rita, my boy didn't read enough books this year so you'll just have to suffer.

The article is about isoflavones amelioration of MS

advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/28/eabd4595.full

knot board
QLD, 1224 posts
22 Jul 2021 5:10PM
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Keeping this Gut Health thread on track....

I've been troubled with seborrheic dermatitis for 25 years, there's no cure only management.
I recently read a medical journal story linking the disease to Gut Health.

Starting eating probiotics supplements and kefir yogurt and I've had good skin for 6 weeks straight now.
Maybe too early to make a call but it looks promising.

Crusoe
QLD, 1039 posts
Friday , 30 Jul 2021 5:13AM
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knot board said..
Keeping this Gut Health thread on track....

I've been troubled with seborrheic dermatitis for 25 years, there's no cure only management.
I recently read a medical journal story linking the disease to Gut Health.

Starting eating probiotics supplements and kefir yogurt and I've had good skin for 6 weeks straight now.
Maybe too early to make a call but it looks promising.


Don't use soap or shampoo.

eppo
WA, 8141 posts
Yesterday , 30 Jul 2021 6:49AM
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One tangible effect I've noticed (apart from losing excess kilos) is the reduced inflammation of my joints. Or more to the point, quicker recovery. My ankles are knees are shot to hell from footy and holding down big kites for big air stuff for so many years. My left AC dislocation that never did go back in meant that after a surf I'd be sore in the shoulder and neck (causing migraines) for years. Whilst the underlying issues are still there, my recovery is far quicker and the inflammation of the joints in general is far less. So are resulting injuries from this.

that being said I couple it with stretching, rolling and yoga most nights which also helps.
Infact I'd say I'm fitter and stronger at 48 than I have been in 10-15 years.

simple. Cut out refined sugars, processed grains and above all else seed oils. Eat a diet closer to what our ancestors have for millions of years. Couple this with one or two meals a day (with a 16-18 hr fast) and move god dammit move!! I am certain this in turn affects gut health overall. A 24hr fast every now and then helps. I suppose going harder like some above is also beneficial but you need to build up to that otherwise you will do more damage than good.


funny my son has slipped back to eating some processed carbs and he's tired as most the time. He will learn the hard way I suppose.



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