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Corona Virus - We are all going to get it.

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Created by Crusoe 3 months ago, 12 Mar 2020
FormulaNova
NSW, 11064 posts
17 Mar 2020 10:53AM
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Paddles B'mere said..
Yep, we've been bingeing on "The Last Man on Earth" for a few weeks Bluemoon, it's the funniest show on TV by a long shot


I think it took a while to get into it and by the time I liked it, they canned it!

holy guacamole
1146 posts
17 Mar 2020 9:06AM
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The Australian response has been a total shocker and here's our trajectory. We're two to three weeks too late to act.

Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.

TonyAbbott
523 posts
17 Mar 2020 9:16AM
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Nah, the greens are heaps worse

bazz61
QLD, 3321 posts
17 Mar 2020 11:31AM
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holy guacamole said..
The Australian response has been a total shocker and here's our trajectory. We're two to three weeks too late to act.

Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.


Agree ...
www.seabreeze.com.auhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/16/the-governments-coronavirus-crisis-approach-is-go-late-go-half-measures-and-go-to-hillsong

hilly
WA, 5355 posts
17 Mar 2020 9:41AM
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holy guacamole said..Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.


Yes agree, but what would you have them do?

Would a Hong Kong lock down work here? I doubt it, we have not got a lockdown and already there is chaos in Coles ffs

And the big one, is what happens when you ease up the lockdown? I think Hong Kong will get a big surge when they ease up.

I think the herd immunity approach Britan is using has merit.

Gboots
NSW, 958 posts
17 Mar 2020 12:57PM
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Let's not take the Indian approach

Gboots
NSW, 958 posts
17 Mar 2020 12:58PM
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Let's not take the Indian approach

Ian K
WA, 3311 posts
17 Mar 2020 11:09AM
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holy guacamole said..
The Australian response has been a total shocker and here's our trajectory. We're two to three weeks too late to act.

Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.


that's an exponential curve alright. But you can't say Australia's response is a "shocker" until 97% of the experts agree. Every expert I've seen in the media has a different take. The Dutch are officially going for herd immunity. In the meantime herd mentality has got the better of the English. They are backing off a bit on the herd immunity.

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html

bazz61
QLD, 3321 posts
17 Mar 2020 1:48PM
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Relax a cure has been found ...

www.couriermail.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

Foghorn
WA, 471 posts
17 Mar 2020 5:49PM
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www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/health-news/weather-modeling-data-helps-predict-potential-spread-and-seasonality-for-covid-19/
Best head north.The pdf shows a interesting map on rates of transmission to climate.

Mr Milk
NSW, 2041 posts
17 Mar 2020 11:42PM
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^^^ It's a nice idea that cool climate helps the virus, but it's a bit of a problem for the hypothesis when the subtropical Chinese provinces around Hong Kong have had more cases than colder provinces further north.

holy guacamole
1146 posts
17 Mar 2020 9:21PM
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Holy Hemispheres Batman!.....maybe it's an anthropogenic herd mentality problem!







albers
NSW, 1717 posts
18 Mar 2020 7:29AM
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I find this hard to believe. I think their just taking the piss.

choco
SA, 3548 posts
18 Mar 2020 7:01AM
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Test I done shows I'm all clear




Mr Milk
NSW, 2041 posts
18 Mar 2020 10:10AM
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www.michaelwest.com.au/is-the-fix-for-covid19-hiding-in-plain-sight/

This doctor (the source for the film Dallas Buyers Club) claims that there is an off patent drug that worked against SARS, so is likely to work against Covid.

Paradox
QLD, 995 posts
18 Mar 2020 11:48AM
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hilly said..

holy guacamole said..Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.



Yes agree, but what would you have them do?

Would a Hong Kong lock down work here? I doubt it, we have not got a lockdown and already there is chaos in Coles ffs

And the big one, is what happens when you ease up the lockdown? I think Hong Kong will get a big surge when they ease up.

I think the herd immunity approach Britan is using has merit.


I think the herd immunity and isolate the vulnerable is a good approach, and frankly I think thats what they are going for but also slowing it enough to not overload hospitals.

You can't get rid of the thing until a cure is available.

Biggest danger is slowing it too much or you will end up in perpetual economic doom. An effective treatment in good supply is sorely needed.

kiterboy
1816 posts
18 Mar 2020 11:24AM
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hmmm...herd immunity...they're finally admitting they consider us livestock and so many of you are going along with it unquestioningly.
BAAAAAAA!

www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/100824/belgian-doctor-says-young-coronavirus-patients-are-also-getting-severely-ill/

An emergency doctor treating patients of the coronavirus pandemic said several young people who had been hospitalised were getting "severely ill" despite having no underlying conditions.Doctor Ignace Demeyer, who works at a hospital in Aalst, said that lung scans from young people admitted into the emergency ward were "nothing short of terrifying."

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"You are not immune or safe from getting seriously ill," NIAID head Anthony Fauci said. "The virus isn't a mathematical formula, there are going to be people who are young who are going to wind up getting seriously ill."Fauci said that the likelihood that a young person who contracted the virus but developed no symptoms from it could pass it on to a more vulnerable person was also high. "That's why everybody's got to take this seriously, even the young."

Harrow
NSW, 3423 posts
18 Mar 2020 2:49PM
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With this herd immunity concept, just how do you expose all the young people without exposing the vulnerable? And, BTW, what about the young people that will die, expendable numbers?

kiterboy
1816 posts
18 Mar 2020 12:45PM
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Exactly. A ridiculous concept, from ridiculous people.

Harrow
NSW, 3423 posts
18 Mar 2020 4:19PM
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Just got off the phone with my in-laws who are both in their 80s and in good health. I rang to ask them what plans we could be making to look after them, keep them away from crowds, get them food to keep them out of busy supermarkets, etc. Their response, "Oh, we're not worried at all, it said on the news you only need to worry if you are over 80 and have a health condition. We don't have any serious chronic illness, we'll be fine."

Ignorant?

mineral1
WA, 4558 posts
18 Mar 2020 2:18PM
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Harrow said..
Just got off the phone with my in-laws who are both in their 80s and in good health. I rang to ask them what plans we could be making to look after them, keep them away from crowds, get them food to keep them out of busy supermarkets, etc. Their response, "Oh, we're not worried at all, it said on the news you only need to worry if you are over 80 and have a health condition. We don't have any serious chronic illness, we'll be fine."

Ignorant?


I'm only saying this because I had a long chat with my very elderly parents, Dad in particular with similar sentiments.
He said, put yourself in my shoes, You asking yourself the same question. ?
Did you feel as though you may be talking as if you didn't think you, at this age were not of sound mind, and couldn't make a reasonable decision. ?
Our bodies grow old mate, but realistically our minds in most cases still think in the realms of 20-30 or 40 year old's.
So I thought about what he said, and yes, my moodily coddling towards Dad n Mum although showed concern of a caring offspring, but it was somewhat condescending thinking he wasn't capable of making a good call .

There will be those we should care for and assist like asking the same questions, but be mindful the majority of the elderly in this age bracket, got us to this stage without too much outside assistance

holy guacamole
1146 posts
18 Mar 2020 2:20PM
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Paradox said..I think the herd immunity and isolate the vulnerable is a good approach

hilly said..

holy guacamole said..Our national leadership is a bunch of incompetent fools.

Yes agree, but what would you have them do?

Would a Hong Kong lock down work here? I doubt it, we have not got a lockdown and already there is chaos in Coles ffs

And the big one, is what happens when you ease up the lockdown? I think Hong Kong will get a big surge when they ease up.

I think the herd immunity approach Britan is using has merit.

and frankly I think thats what they are going for but also slowing it enough to not overload hospitals.

You can't get rid of the thing until a cure is available.

Biggest danger is slowing it too much or you will end up in perpetual economic doom. An effective treatment in good supply is sorely needed.

Not surprised you think a non-scientific way to develop immunity is the go....

The only responsible and ethical way to develop herd immunity is immunisation - not some mass public experiment FFS!

Until then playing with an epidemic is just plain stupid, reckless and dangerous and it is a cop out.

kiterboy
1816 posts
18 Mar 2020 3:01PM
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holy guacamole said..
Not surprised you think a non-scientific way to develop immunity is the go....

The only responsible and ethical way to develop herd immunity is immunisation - not some mass public experiment FFS!

Until then playing with an epidemic is just plain stupid, reckless and dangerous and it is a cop out.



cammd
QLD, 2783 posts
18 Mar 2020 5:46PM
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Clive Palmer chipped in million today to get the trial underway with no delay, looks like he might help save Australia again.

TonyAbbott
523 posts
18 Mar 2020 3:54PM
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I still need toilet paper

log man
VIC, 8136 posts
18 Mar 2020 7:05PM
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cammd said..




Clive Palmer chipped in million today to get the trial underway with no delay, looks like he might help save Australia again.


whose money did he use?

hilly
WA, 5355 posts
18 Mar 2020 4:26PM
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How long do you have a lockdown for then? 6mths and there is still no vaccine, so all hide at home for 18mths???

What happens to the economy? What happens to education?

No easy solution.

Ian K
WA, 3311 posts
18 Mar 2020 4:33PM
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Harrow said..
With this herd immunity concept, just how do you expose all the young people without exposing the vulnerable? And, BTW, what about the young people that will die, expendable numbers?




Well at the moment NSW has 267 cases and it's doubling every 4 or 5 days. If nothing changes 257 cases will become 2 million cases in 13 doublings, about 60 days. But herd immunity will be slowing it down by then so it'll take a little longer than 60. With 2 million immune people out of the system each case will have less chance of passing it on. The vaccine is 12 months away so unless more drastic social distancing, as was done in China, is enforced we'll be getting herd immunity well before then whether you like the idea or not.

But this is not china. Do you think we'll assemble an immunity workforce of those recovered with a positive diagnosis certificate? Immunity pub, immunity cafe, immunity live music? Or will they also be subject to social distancing measures along with the uninfected for the full 12 months?

cammd
QLD, 2783 posts
18 Mar 2020 6:35PM
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log man said..

cammd said..






Clive Palmer chipped in million today to get the trial underway with no delay, looks like he might help save Australia again.



whose money did he use?


careful, your starting to sound like a capitalist.

Paddles B'mere
QLD, 3436 posts
18 Mar 2020 6:47PM
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That thermometer went a long way into your ear Tony Abbott and what's all over it has confirmed a few suspicions ............................



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