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Corona Virus - We are all going to get it.

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Created by Crusoe 3 months ago, 12 Mar 2020
holy guacamole
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18 Mar 2020 4:58PM
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Paddles B'mere said..
That thermometer went a long way into your ear Tony Abbott and what's all over it has confirmed a few suspicions ............................

Yes clearly , the nog's fulla shyte. 97% of Sky News shock jocks agree.

Gboots
NSW, 958 posts
18 Mar 2020 8:10PM
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How many people here actually know somewhat with this ?

psychojoe
VIC, 760 posts
18 Mar 2020 8:21PM
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hilly said..
How long do you have a lockdown for then? 6mths and there is still no vaccine, so all hide at home for 18mths???

What happens to the economy? What happens to education?

No easy solution.


That's a good point you raise there Hilly. People are already going broke from this. Heaps of cafe workers have already lost their jobs. Surely the travel industry will meltdown. I remember the suicides of the Ansett workers after it collapsed.
How far do we diminish the lives of the masses before we just say **** it and let the weak die

TonyAbbott
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18 Mar 2020 5:58PM
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Paddles B'mere said..
That thermometer went a long way into your ear Tony Abbott and what's all over it has confirmed a few suspicions ............................


Macaha
QLD, 20818 posts
18 Mar 2020 8:45PM
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Has anybody heard about this book?




Chris249
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18 Mar 2020 7:05PM
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Hardcarve1 said..
My brother has for the last two weeks been sick with fever, persistent cough and shortness of breath. He went to the doctor who said he didn't have it because he did not have a contact history with someone who may have come from overseas or who were confirmed as having it. He works in an industry that has a very high staff count of people from Asia and explained this his doctor but the answer was still no. His employer has said he can only return to work if he is cleared of Corona so he went to the hospital and they said the same thing that he will not have it and will not test. He is now at home still with symptoms but not tested but self quarantined.
I think the real numbers are not really know as they are concentrating on direct contact for testing and not community transmission due to the lack of testing available.
Look it is what it is and the worst is still to come.



I'm always astounded by the sheer stupidity of some doctors and other medical staff, some have no common sense at all.



But if there aren't enough facilities for testing everyone who feels crap and has come in contact with lots of people from Asia, then what do you do? Do you use up the available facilities by testing people like that, so that people who feel like crap and HAVE come into direct contact with carriers, come in you have to say "sorry, can't test you because we have no testing kits left because we used them up on people who didn't come into known contact with carriers"?

Common sense can be saying "we have limited testing therefore we have to limit the people we test". It's not common sense to say "we have limited testing therefore we will not put limits on the people we test".

hilly
WA, 5355 posts
18 Mar 2020 8:57PM
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FormulaNova
NSW, 11064 posts
19 Mar 2020 12:02AM
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Macaha said..
Has anybody heard about this book?






Yes. Lots. Google it and you will find it was originally set in Russia and was rewritten after the distrust with Russia disolved when the USSR disolved.

TonyAbbott
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19 Mar 2020 2:58AM
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I was reading in the paper about how many males are getting the virus compared to females......

What about the other 57 genders, how are they avoiding it?

holy guacamole
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19 Mar 2020 4:48AM
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Zzzzzz
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19 Mar 2020 5:28AM
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I find it interesting that just before this all came down there was something in the media about trying to get a new law through in case of a epidemic does anyone have any Recollection of that ?

kiterboy
1816 posts
19 Mar 2020 6:36AM
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TonyAbbott said..
I was reading in the paper about how many males are getting the virus compared to females......

What about the other 57 genders, how are they avoiding it?


hilly
WA, 5355 posts
19 Mar 2020 8:06AM
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So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

FormulaNova
NSW, 11064 posts
19 Mar 2020 11:22AM
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Zzzzzz said..
I find it interesting that just before this all came down there was something in the media about trying to get a new law through in case of a epidemic does anyone have any Recollection of that ?


You do. Perhaps you can tell us what it was? Or google it then tell us?

FormulaNova
NSW, 11064 posts
19 Mar 2020 11:23AM
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hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html


So, corona has a 3% death rate and flu has a much lower one? I know which one i would rather have.

stoff
WA, 226 posts
19 Mar 2020 8:41AM
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It's actually 10% according to the worldometers site which is being constantly updated




Paddles B'mere
QLD, 3436 posts
19 Mar 2020 11:04AM
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It's an alarming statistic, but I wonder how many cases of COVID-19 have gone undiagnosed? ie you had it and got over it but weren't tested

hilly
WA, 5355 posts
19 Mar 2020 9:09AM
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Paddles B'mere said..
It's an alarming statistic, but I wonder how many cases of COVID-19 have gone undiagnosed? ie you had it and got over it but weren't tested


Agree with that

kiterboy
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19 Mar 2020 9:46AM
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hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html






Harrow
NSW, 3423 posts
19 Mar 2020 12:56PM
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hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

Here's an alternative view.... The flu kills 1,000 people a day. Coronavirus is also killing 1,000 people per day, but that rate is presently doubling every 4 to 5 days. The infection rate is continuing on a steady exponential curve, and as it has only infected around 0.01% of the population, it has a long way to go.

I'll let you decide which you think is worse.

Kamikuza
QLD, 5425 posts
19 Mar 2020 12:02PM
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Harrow said..

hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html


Here's an alternative view.... The flu kills 1,000 people a day. Coronavirus is also killing 1,000 people per day, but that rate is presently doubling every 4 to 5 days. The infection rate is continuing on a steady exponential curve, and as it has only infected around 0.01% of the population, it has a long way to go.

Or we could just say, "But last week coronavirus was killing less people per day than the flu, and last year it didn't kill anyone, therefore it's not so bad".



That's probably the average CFR, including countries with low rates of testing.

Look at South Korea: extensive testing and their CFR is 0.8%. More testing = more cases = more survivors.
www.google.co.nz/amp/s/reason.com/2020/03/12/is-a-1-case-fatality-rate-for-covid-19-bad-news-or-good-news/%3famp

It's worse then the flu, but it's still not the civilization ending apocalypse...

(All the usual caveats apply)

kiterboy
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19 Mar 2020 10:26AM
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Kamikuza said..

Harrow said..


hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html



Here's an alternative view.... The flu kills 1,000 people a day. Coronavirus is also killing 1,000 people per day, but that rate is presently doubling every 4 to 5 days. The infection rate is continuing on a steady exponential curve, and as it has only infected around 0.01% of the population, it has a long way to go.

Or we could just say, "But last week coronavirus was killing less people per day than the flu, and last year it didn't kill anyone, therefore it's not so bad".




That's probably the average CFR, including countries with low rates of testing.

Look at South Korea: extensive testing and their CFR is 0.8%. More testing = more cases = more survivors.
www.google.co.nz/amp/s/reason.com/2020/03/12/is-a-1-case-fatality-rate-for-covid-19-bad-news-or-good-news/%3famp

It's worse then the flu, but it's still not the civilization ending apocalypse...

(All the usual caveats apply)





It doesn't have to be a civilization ending apocalypse to be an absolutely devastating catastrophe.



FormulaNova
NSW, 11064 posts
19 Mar 2020 1:38PM
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hilly said..
Paddles B'mere said..
It's an alarming statistic, but I wonder how many cases of COVID-19 have gone undiagnosed? ie you had it and got over it but weren't tested


Agree with that


I agree with that, in that there will be lots of undiagnosed people, but there probably is with the flu too! How many people here have had the flu and not bothered going to a GP at the time? I know I have.

Macroscien
QLD, 5314 posts
19 Mar 2020 12:51PM
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If we compare total harvest of corona virus infection to amount of people dieing every year on the roads , still seems to be benign. Nobody is going with any drastic action to ban non self driving cars.

at the rate 3434 people dying per day in car accident that is just two days to match those died in corona virus so far.



alcohol takes 3 times more then cars/ So after we finish with corona , time will come to ban alcohol


drugs, sharp knifes and gun should go too, to make our world perfectly safe.ooo, I forgot SHARKS !! killem all!!!

Harrow
NSW, 3423 posts
19 Mar 2020 2:14PM
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Macroscien said..
If we compare total harvest of corona virus infection to amount of people dieing every year on the roads , still seems to be benign. Nobody is going with any drastic action to ban non self driving cars.

at the rate 3434 people dying per day in car accident that is just two days to match those died in corona virus so far.



alcohol takes 3 times more then cars/ So after we finish with corona , time will come to ban alcohol


drugs, sharp knifes and gun should go too, to make our world perfectly safe.ooo, I forgot SHARKS !! killem all!!!

Macro,

In just 2 weeks, those daily car crash statistics will be smashed and left behind by coronavirus. Is it really so hard to understand the implications of the graphs below?





Kamikuza
QLD, 5425 posts
19 Mar 2020 1:40PM
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kiterboy said..

Kamikuza said..


Harrow said..



hilly said..
So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 100,000 illnesses and more than 3,000 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 34 million illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

From
www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html




Here's an alternative view.... The flu kills 1,000 people a day. Coronavirus is also killing 1,000 people per day, but that rate is presently doubling every 4 to 5 days. The infection rate is continuing on a steady exponential curve, and as it has only infected around 0.01% of the population, it has a long way to go.

Or we could just say, "But last week coronavirus was killing less people per day than the flu, and last year it didn't kill anyone, therefore it's not so bad".





That's probably the average CFR, including countries with low rates of testing.

Look at South Korea: extensive testing and their CFR is 0.8%. More testing = more cases = more survivors.
www.google.co.nz/amp/s/reason.com/2020/03/12/is-a-1-case-fatality-rate-for-covid-19-bad-news-or-good-news/%3famp

It's worse then the flu, but it's still not the civilization ending apocalypse...

(All the usual caveats apply)






It doesn't have to be a civilization ending apocalypse to be an absolutely devastating catastrophe.




But it's not even that, is it

kiterboy
1816 posts
19 Mar 2020 11:53AM
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Kamikuza said..
But it's not even that, is it


This (your) comment won't age well.

Ian K
WA, 3311 posts
19 Mar 2020 11:56AM
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Yes, but corona virus will subside and car crashes will continue. 1.25 million per year die in car crashes. 50 million lost in the spanish flu. For every person killed in a car crash many more carry a lifetime injury.

If you base the calculations on lost healthy years it's no contest. Activity extends life. Do you count those who die at 65 due to inactivity instigated by a car crash 40 years earlier as car crash victims?

Macroscien
QLD, 5314 posts
19 Mar 2020 2:00PM
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Macaha said..
Has anybody heard about this book?






Scenario written 40 years ago and perfectly executed today ?
Conspiracy theorist could claim that book wasn't a prediction but inspiration rather.
The most worrying perspective to our humanity future is relative easynest of developing , engineering such viruses in laboratories.
Biological weapon of mass destruction blue the line between most advanced superpowers and miserable falling states looking to take revenge. Unlike nuclear and even chemical labs those can be arranged everywhere without any suspicion or overseas supervision.



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