For the Rc flyers out there - The Zen Of Flight

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Reflex Films
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22 Feb 2013 6:26pm





For anyone new to-
or taking their first steps into

Electric RC
youngbull
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22 Feb 2013 8:46pm
Well thought of video although never fly that close to your self and do not practice circles around yourself (Do that in a club and your gone) bad practice to learn.

I just brought my local hobby shop 3 weeks ago, so to see anything rc related on ye old Seabreeze makes me smile.

The zen of flying - funny fella.


Reflex Films
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22 Feb 2013 7:50pm
whats a flying club ?
Mark _australia
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22 Feb 2013 8:22pm
Awesome Matt!!! Great flying of course, but love the new effects and just the whole way it is put together, pans around the 3D words at the end particularly

youngbull
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22 Feb 2013 11:23pm
Reflex Films said...
whats a flying club ?


Its where you fork over $350 a year to listen to old timers complaining about the youth of today and where false teeth are found after a flying event.
Once you listen to that a few times you find a new development area or empty park, fly 3 times more and get hot chicks walking their dog...

I'm on to you

Edit: was that you flying Reflex? if so you do fly very clean.
Hardcarve1
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23 Feb 2013 6:34am
I have flown helicopters for 15 years and the cost of the hobby has fallen so much that I no longer fly $5000 machines but $300 cheap crap and still get the same buzz. The cheap electric helicopters are so convenient and quiet and can be flower in the back yard without the need to join a club or risk going down the local park. I would be very nervous flying any RC aircraft in a public park. Very nice flying on the video.
Reflex Films
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23 Feb 2013 12:03pm
youngbull said...
Well thought of video although never fly that close to your self and do not practice circles around yourself (Do that in a club and your gone) bad practice to learn.

I just brought my local hobby shop 3 weeks ago, so to see anything rc related on ye old Seabreeze makes me smile.

The zen of flying - funny fella.





How is the new venture going - i have heard a lot of talk of Hobby shops closing in the wake of Hobby king doing super cheap imports into oz out of HK

- i met a guy at the park who was raving about how cheap he got his new plane and TX from HK - he crashed his plane a few times trying to rog - it was just pulling left and into theground after take off.

He asked me to try and fly it for him - nervously i agreed - plane took off and just rolled hard left into the ground - no amount of aileron correction could stop it.

i told him that the plane was unflyable out of the box. He tried a few more times until there were bits of foam everywhere.

never saw him again. Sad really.

I love hobby shops - they are a little bit magical - so its a shame that the internet seems to be killing them at the moment.

With the wind being such an important part of the hobby you might think an RC section could be warranted here on Seabreeze.
zarb
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23 Feb 2013 3:33pm
When I was a kid, I used to see everyone flying those stunt wings. Zaggi? Or something similar. It looked like a lot of fun, you could crash em hard, play tag with other planes. Burly things!
sn
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23 Feb 2013 4:23pm
I used to fly crash a pair of Kiwi produced "Canterbury Sail Plane" gliders, kit form- made from a type of polyfoam that you couldnt break if you tried (and we did our best)

One was a flying wing type- the other a conventional wing and tail, both used a 2 channel radio.
Launched from about 20' of bungee cord pegged to the ground, with brickies string to lengthen it.

Both haad been flown hundreds of times by myself, then passed onto mates.
litterally hundreds of crash landings, cartwheels, bouncing off walls, goalposts, stuck in trees, into lakes and a bus while we were learning.

worst damage was an aileron's tape came loose- fixed in seconds and flying again immediately.

Great fun- best stuff ever to come out of Kiwiland
The price of 'leccy r/c stuff has dropped heaps since then- and is much more reliable and powerfull too.

Get into it crew!

Stephen
youngbull
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23 Feb 2013 9:58pm
The shop is doing goodish. I have managed to triple business in the 3 weeks although alot of that was due to the previous owners lack of everything and the place was so darn dirt it took 3 7x5 trailer loads of crud to the tip just to see the floor.

I have actually applied to be a hobby king distributor, although I will not buy any electronics due to insurance and how crap some of the stuff is. Just not worth the risk of someone burning their house down

Hobby king is zero threat to my shop due to the brands I sell. For now I am not interested in going online to much work and hassle. Every second person says go online go online, yet they are still at the shop buying goods and gaining valuable advice. Not to mention they get off their lazy butt and see the world

Its such a shame that alot of places are closing down "however" people try to make to much money off 1 product - so far nearly every person has said to me, how close my price is to ebay - I have not even checked how my prices match ebay/competitors ect, I just place a reasonable markup and stock has been walking out the door (funny that - other shops!) .

If more shops looked after their customer first instead of there pocket they might last a little longer. Almost like they are above the customer --- wrong wrong wrong.

Full Throttle RC, Lawnton --- Sorry Laurie just one and only plug member of 7 years
deejay8204
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24 Feb 2013 8:14am
youngbull said...

Full Throttle RC, Lawnton --- Sorry Laurie just one and only plug member of 7 years


Please say you took over Hobby Garage? they are a bunch of .............. over priced and under stocked and usually very old stock as well. I did pull of a couple of bargains through them years ago but gave up when they started going over to the car side more.

If you took over them I will be a customer again and blow the cobwebs off my planes.


Also with the Hobby King stuff, you really have to pick and choose to get something good. I bought a 50mm EDF from them and although a very nice plane, the tail wing was bent from shipping and the electronics poor as well as the blades in the EDF needed balancing, flew a few time crashed a couple of times and now shelved with the I cant be bothered any more stuff. I usually fly a home made 32" Nigel Hawes "Fizza" (needs a reco as it has been shelved for so long) and a Ele-Bee Combat wing for speed.
desertyank
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24 Feb 2013 6:33am
Not flying, but RC fun

youngbull said...

...........3 weeks ago, so to see anything rc related on ye old Seabreeze makes me smile.




gizmodo.com/watch-this-rc-car-chase-destroy-an-adorable-miniature-c-5985985?IR=T[]
Ian K
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24 Feb 2013 7:56am
youngbull said...


The zen of flying - funny fella.



When I was a boy model aeroplanes had strings attached, RC was barely invented. I had a bit of an dabble but lost interest when a cranky old coot passing by, who knew more about aerodynamics than I did, declared that a brick on the end of a piece of string will fly if you spin it fast enough. I think the same comment still applies.

The RC plane looks like it's modelled on a Slick 360 aerobatic plane? But it is being flown in a style fully employing the fact that it can produce more thrust than the 1.1 kg weight of the craft. I looked up the power of the Slick 360 and a wikipeadia formula that allows you to get the thrust equivalent of a propellor. Had to assume that the most efficient aerodynamic speed of the slick 360 was 60m/sec and came up with a thrust to weight ratio of the 465 kg Slick of 0.5. That's empty weight, with pilot it'd be less.

Nothing wrong with flying something with the luxury of a thrust to weight ratio greater than 1, but if you're going to model stuff shouldn't you try and get the power right? Then you wouldn't be able to fly around hanging off the engine with the aerodynamic surfaces in stalled mode for 80% of the time.

Not sure if you could ever get a Zen spin to stick on the hi tech world of model aircraft. Nice try but you might as well have got the guy with the short arms to do the commentary

Reflex Films
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24 Feb 2013 11:24am
Ian K said...
youngbull said...


The zen of flying - funny fella.



When I was a boy model aeroplanes had strings attached, RC was barely invented. I had a bit of an dabble but lost interest when a cranky old coot passing by, who knew more about aerodynamics than I did, declared that a brick on the end of a piece of string will fly if you spin it fast enough. I think the same comment still applies.

The RC plane looks like it's modelled on a Slick 360 aerobatic plane? But it is being flown in a style fully employing the fact that it can produce more thrust than the 1.1 kg weight of the craft. I looked up the power of the Slick 360 and a wikipeadia formula that allows you to get the thrust equivalent of a propellor. Had to assume that the most efficient aerodynamic speed of the slick 360 was 60m/sec and came up with a thrust to weight ratio of the 465 kg Slick of 0.5. That's empty weight, with pilot it'd be less.

Nothing wrong with flying something with the luxury of a thrust to weight ratio greater than 1, but if you're going to model stuff shouldn't you try and get the power right? Then you wouldn't be able to fly around hanging off the engine with the aerodynamic surfaces in stalled mode for 80% of the time.

Not sure if you could ever get a Zen spin to stick on the hi tech world of model aircraft. Nice try but you might as well have got the guy with the short arms to do the commentary




the model is an Extra 260 from precision aerobatics. power to weight ratio is close to 2 to1 - but not quite. Personally i find 3d craft can be flown sport / scale by dialling down throws and you get tons of feel

Or you can max out throws on the oversized control surfaces to fly post stall / 3d.

Its great to have the option. These plane have a massive performance envelopeI reckon i spend 70% of my time in slow relaxing mode. I used to fly a slow stick which has the feel of a kite with a small motor on it - fantastic on no wind days

Many flyers prefer scale type flying - a lot of the war bird aficionados for example - so you can fly "model" style if you prefer - its all good - i like any pilot on any airframe that throws stylish lines in the sky.

for the guys with the stick time and muscle memory - Zen is a very apt description as they are flying well within the limits of their control. Other ADD types like being on the bleeding edge the whole time and thats their buzz - again - to each their own.

not quite sure where you were going with the short arm guys commentary ?

AquaPlow
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24 Feb 2013 1:24pm
Reflex - Thanks - great viewing your depth perspective both on film and more so when flying - I recall zoning out until what I was focused on left my vision - more than once the plane collected a tree when I miss-judged its distance. - That I always found tricky with power planes (0.75 - 5.0cc). - The advent of electrics and the refined throttle control - luxury. Mostly stuck to hill soaring with gliders because U could fly them as close as U do with power (nice skill)!!


Ian K. The ones with strings (fine piano wire) were great fun - Combat control line - trying to chop off the other guy's streamer w/o crashing - almost impossible.

Did U have a relay controlled model plane? - U wound up a large rubber band - powered the relay in the plane -connected to the rudder. 1 push on the transmitter button - released the gate on the relay = 90 deg' 2 pushes 180 deg 3 = 270 4 - back to base. After 'n' pushes the next push took it back to 0 degrees. 1 push = left - 3 pushes right. McGregor used to make these - could have used 'sn's polyfoam ....

Young Bull - a local enthusiast started retailing from a market a few years back with the ethic you mention moved into a small warehouse once established - great approach - good fortune with Full Throttle.

Reflex - we R all looking forward to chapter 2
(and when U R done and dusted a bloopers skit too (U can't be that good all the time!!)
Cheers
AP
Reflex Films
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24 Feb 2013 11:57am
This one is kind of an unofficial episode 0 - a definite blooper at the end.





I have my fair share of crashes - especially when the camera comes out and i push it too far to try and get the shot

I started out on control line flying when i was eight - the good old cox .049 powered round and round spitfire. Thing was a brick with a motor - took about 3 laps just to get enough speed to get the plane to react to the elevator.

but it taught me the value of perseverance ! Talk about zen - spin around 100 times and you are well and truly hypnotised.
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24 Feb 2013 3:18pm
Reflex Films said...
This one is kind of an unofficial episode 0 - a definite blooper at the end.


Love the vid!
The "blooper" at the end brings back lots of memories!
Many of unintentionally landing in vinyards when fuel ran out in the aerobat, or missjudging the "zoom" space needed in divebombing and speed landing comps.
(we would get two aerobats up pretty high- then see how quick we could land- kinda like verticle chicken)
I learnt to carry a bucket and big rubbish bag in the boot of the car pretty quick

You must have deleted the bit in the vid where the cat gets the glue mixing matchbox stuck in its fur and goes troppo trying to get it off.

stephen
JayP
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26 Feb 2013 8:39pm
That's so cool. I fly cheapo Ric choppers after work. It's such a good brain reset after a day in the office. And there are times when it does feel like an extension of your body and very zen like.

I saw this www.bynorth.com/ this morning and thought it would make a really cool way to replace the transmitter.

Imagine using taichee moves to control your craft. You would feel like a Jedi!
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