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petermac33
petermac33
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25 Aug 2010 4:04pm
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_politics/2078604.stm



if you were to take a look across the English Channel from the Continent it might

seem a little strange that the UK does not have a national ID card system in place.

After all, citizens from 11 out of the 15 nations of the European Union carry ID

cards as a part of everyday life.



Click here to see which country does what

In Belgium ID cards have been in use since 1919, and in France, where it is not

even compulsory to carry them more than 90% of people do anyway, their

usefulness making them almost indispensable.


But putting Europe to one side, countries such as Japan feel no need to use ID

cards, while Australia and New Zealand both came close to introducing them in the

1980s and 1990s, but the politicians backed off after strong public protests.



Not even the genuine fear of terrorism after the horrors of the 11 September

attacks have convinced politicians in the US that they need to curb their devotion

to privacy and personal freedom to bring in what Republicans and Democrats alike

would see as an unacceptable infringement on the rights of the individual.



Carrying the card

Where different countries have opted to carry a card it can often be put down to

one of the following reasons.


Firstly an ID card is often seen as a useful document to the authorities in countries

where war, state repression, or military rule is taking place. In that case they take

the role of an internal passport.



It was while facing the nightmare of the Second World War that the UK last had a


national ID card system, which was scrapped by 1952.



Secondly, they are useful in enabling citizens to access government services. This

is the reason why cards have become so ingrained across much of Europe.

In EU countries that have ID card schemes they can be used for cross border

travel to other states within the Union.



Card curbs

But even in nations where cards have been issued by enthusiastic politicians strict

limits have still been put in place.


For example in Germany the principle of "information self-determination" saw the

federal constitutional court rule that although ID cards are in use, the public would

not be given unique identity numbers that could be accessed by all government

departments.



However even in Germany research has found that the police are more likely to

stop people from ethnic minority groups to check their ID cards than the rest of

the population.

Thus creating more potential for racial harassment and bad feeling between the police and ethnic groups.



Ultimately, whether the UK decides to go down the road of entitlement cards or a

wider national ID card system, the time involved in setting up a system for 60

million people means it will be years before it could become a reality.



International use of ID cards

ID cards in use Functions Additional information

Belgium Yes, and police can demand to see it Cards have been used since 1919,

they can be requested by government officials The card holder's blood group can

be put on the card


France Cards are used but are not compulsory, although getting by without them

can be difficult Access to health, education, voting, banks and the post office

Police are able to request identification, but not necessarily the ID card itself

Germany ID cards are compulsory, they have a PIN number as well as traditional

details Police, local government and customs The German system does not allow

government databases to share information on the card


Japan No N/A Japanese driving licences are default photo-ID

Netherlands In use, but not compulsory Work, police, government and the post

office


Portugal ID cards are compulsory here Police, private security guards, health,

education, bank and post office Both a photo and fingerprints are included on the

card


USA No N/A Driving licences are so widely used they are almost an unofficial form

of photo ID

Source: Liberty and Charter88



http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/44536/20100821/identity-cards-with-rfid-chip-on-track-in-germany.htm

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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25 Aug 2010 6:34pm
Seriously now people - for or against I.D cards, how can Mr Mac get a red thumb for posting a factual article? Evened it up (for now )

I personally am against.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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25 Aug 2010 9:17pm
Mark, I'll hold off on the thumbs...but seriously! Basically every post "Mr Mac" does is based around world conspiracies, political negativity, extreme enviromental theories, race-based guff, etc.

I would probably read some of the crap that is posted by him if there was more balance...

So here's a challenge Mr Mac, liven up & start posting on what you view as fun/lighthearted topics...please?
Mobydisc
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25 Aug 2010 9:18pm
Perhaps the benefit of an Australian ID card will be the need for no longer needing semi ID cards such as your drivers licence or passport. If the system is reasonably secure it should reduce welfare fraud. An ID card would make the tax system simpler.

The downside is invasion of privacy and possibility the system will be cracked and abused.

Australia effectively has an ID system with driver licences, passports and tax file numbers. The governments would probably save money and increase efficiencies by having one system.

saltiest1
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25 Aug 2010 10:09pm
i dont read long posts anymore. too hard.
Poida
Poida
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25 Aug 2010 8:46pm
I just need a credit card
Got about 5 other cards in my wallet, but the credit cards the most important..
The bank have got my personal details
petermac33
petermac33
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26 Aug 2010 12:19am
Sailhack said...

Mark, I'll hold off on the thumbs...but seriously! Basically every post "Mr Mac" does is based around world conspiracies, political negativity, extreme enviromental theories, race-based guff, etc.

I would probably read some of the crap that is posted by him if there was more balance...

So here's a challenge Mr Mac, liven up & start posting on what you view as fun/lighthearted topics...please?


i'll try and talk about something different tomorrow,how about a cashless society?
busterwa
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26 Aug 2010 3:11am
saltiest1 said...

i dont read long posts anymore. too hard.






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gs12
gs12
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26 Aug 2010 4:45am
Sailhack said...

Mark, I'll hold off on the thumbs...but seriously! Basically every post "Mr Mac" does is based around world conspiracies, political negativity, extreme enviromental theories, race-based guff, etc.

I would probably read some of the crap that is posted by him if there was more balance...

So here's a challenge Mr Mac, liven up & start posting on what you view as fun/lighthearted topics...please?



couldn't agree more & to be honest random cr@p posted by mrmac (and others) really puts me off reading seabreeze. I used to enjoy reading seabreeze but lately I don't even bother...

Can we have a filter to sort posts by author? I know who's posts I'm not interested.
Sailhack
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26 Aug 2010 8:59am
petermac33 said...

Sailhack said...

Mark, I'll hold off on the thumbs...but seriously! Basically every post "Mr Mac" does is based around world conspiracies, political negativity, extreme enviromental theories, race-based guff, etc.

I would probably read some of the crap that is posted by him if there was more balance...

So here's a challenge Mr Mac, liven up & start posting on what you view as fun/lighthearted topics...please?


i'll try and talk about something different tomorrow,how about a cashless society?



That's 'slightly' better!

About 15yrs ago a rep told me that within 5 yrs, cash would be a thing of the past & all would be on card...I guess to a point with the GST, he was partly right. The exact opposite for a retailer from whom I bought my first PC (circa 1994), told me that by 2000 it would be a 'paperless society', I reckon I use 10 times of paper now (and not just in the toilet)!
Roar
Roar
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471 posts
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26 Aug 2010 9:01am
Most kids by the time they are 18 have a drivers liscence or a proof of identy card issued by the RTA..... so they can get into pubs!

evlPanda
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26 Aug 2010 10:41am
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brady
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26 Aug 2010 10:47am
evlPanda said...

**** THE PROOF THAT petermac33 IS EVIL ****

P E T E R M A C
80 69 84 69 82 77 65 67 - as ASCII values
8 6 3 6 1 5 2 4 - digits added
\_____/ \_____/ \_____/ \_____/
5 9 6 6 - digits added

Thus, "petermac33" is 5966.

Subtract 69, the year of the destruction of Jerusalem. The result will be 5897.

Turn the number backwards, subtract 1686 - the year Newton published wildly misunderstood "Principia". The number is now 6299.

Subtract 1926, the year "Playboy" publisher, Hugh Hefner, was born. The result will be 4373.

Add 5491 to it - this is the year Hitler faked his suicide, written backwards - you will get 9864.

Add 17, the symbol of domination - the result is 9881.

This number, read from right to left, is 1889, or the year Adolf Hitler was born.

No further questions.


wow - i'd better make sure I'm not influenced by anything he writes

Although to be fair. ubtract the final 5 letters from evl panda, then add an "i" because everything on the internet is ultimately about me, and you get "evil". Now that is a really scary coincidence
DipsyGriftir
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26 Aug 2010 8:54am
If people think a topic is interesting instead of 'cut-paste' the thing, just give the link.
Then people can click if they are interested, just pointless giving large amounts of text to read.
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