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jbshack
jbshack
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29 Aug 2013 4:53pm
Okay so after trying to see Mars in my binoculars last night I've decided its time to buy a telescope for my boy and i to play with on the odd occasion.

Im looking to use it for some simple star and planet gazing (it would be cool if you could see a planet outline at least, if thats possible?) but would also like to try and maybe use it as a long range binocular. For example to spot whales a km away in the bay of Middleton beach

It would also be cool if i could somehow take a photo with it as like a huge tele lens? (If i need a particular camera that would be cool)

Lastly portable enough that it is easy enough to take on holidays

Maybe if i could also get it to make my bed and massage my neck, that would also be great

Just thought id ask for a recommendation or at least a point in the right direction. I understand optics quality is important too but don't want to take out a small loan either

Thanks..
slammin
slammin
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29 Aug 2013 7:51pm
Simple question so simple answer. How big is your budget? This is one field that size does matter. The more $'s you have the more you will see. $5k is probably the min with that you can see the rings and cool stuff and when you're tired of that the sky's the limit.

For mine I prefer to look at Hubble shots online. Sorry if that bursts your hubble..... (bad pun sorry!).

DNSDC
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29 Aug 2013 8:00pm
Have a look at www.ozscopes.com.au/ and www.bintel.com.au/ Prices start around $55 and the sky is the limit. (no pun intended). Good brands for starters are Celestron, Saxxon and Skywatcher. Less than $350 will get you seeing Mars and Venus really well. No real details but you can
I like the Cassegrain style as they are very compact and can be easily used for photography with an adaptor.

if your kids are old enough, have a look at building one from a kit.

A good spotting scope or a pair of binoculars resting on the fence will keep kids busy for hours looking at the moon. Bushnell or Tasco make some good value scopes.
Harrow
Harrow
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29 Aug 2013 8:33pm
My father bought a cheap telescope for my kids last Christmas from Dick Smith or National Geographic. Not sure of the exact price, but it was under $50, probably on special.

A little while later, a friend who owns a $10,000+ telescope was visiting. He saw our telescope on the balcony and asked to look at it. We were a little embarrased, as we knew about his expensive telescope. Well, he was impressed enough that he bought one to leave in his car boot so that he would always have something with him whenever he was travelling.

So, for some loose change, you can certainly get something to muck around with. If you enjoy it, get something better later, and if not, then no money wasted.
Sailhack
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29 Aug 2013 8:56pm
Tasco are a brand that have been around a while although I'm sure someone here will find them too commercial.
choco
choco
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29 Aug 2013 8:56pm
Purchased this scope couple weeks ago it will change your view of the skies

www.bintel.com.au/product/bintel-bt252-b-10-inch-dobsonian/?v=322b26af01d5
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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29 Aug 2013 9:35pm
Get a Canon Powershot SX50HS. 200X zoom plus you can photograph what you see.
Bristol
Bristol
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29 Aug 2013 9:45pm
jbshack said..
. . . Im looking to use it for some simple star and planet gazing . . .


If you want to look at planets and stars, you should get a 'scope with an equatorial mount. This allows the telescope to counter the earth's rotation, and stay pointed to the one spot in the sky.

jbshack said..
. . . but would also like to try and maybe use it as a long range binocular. For example to spot whales a km away in the bay of Middleton beach. . .


Be aware that the image will be upside-down. Not important if looking at stars, but a bit disconcerting if looking at terrestial objects.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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29 Aug 2013 9:37pm
Sailhack said..
Tasco are a brand that have been around a while although I'm sure someone here will find them too commercial.


They also make the most sh!t riflescopes in the world, such that most serious shooters mock them.
Dunno that their optics can be much better in a telescope.....


Cambodge
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30 Aug 2013 12:10am
Get a BIG pair of binoculars with a tripod plus a sun lounger to lie back on whilst you gaze star wards. Otherwise it's multi-000's dollars to make a Dobson telescope truly worthwhile.
sn
sn
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sn sn
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29 Aug 2013 10:13pm
OI Mark!!

Depends on which tasco rifle scope you have, my .223 sako has Q.D. mounts for 3 different scopes- all tasco's.
This elcheapo combination scares the bejeezus out of some of our clubs serious [too serious] F class shooters.

One is a 24x target scope, the second is a 8x general purpose hunting scope, and the third is a 4x I.R night sight and good for pinging foxes and cats out to well over 200 paces with total cloud cover/ minimal starlight.

The 24x scope gave me a group of 12 shots that could be covered by a 50 cent piece, from a distance of 600 yards.
The 8x is good for vermin out to 400+ yards [furthest I have tried with that scope is 450 paces]

Yes- some of the cheaper Tasco scopes are just that- cheap, but a lot of thier gear is pretty damn good.
You can get better quality than Tasco- but expect to pay through the nose for it.

Having said all that- iron sights are more fun!

I have been following a topic on another forum- where a couple of west aussies are building thier own night scopes using 3D printers to make much of the scope mountings, housings, battery case etc.

It wouldnt be hard to make your own conventional scope using the same principals- buying lenses over the internet, using PVC pipe for the tube, and making the rest with a 3D printer.

stephen
pierrec45
pierrec45
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30 Aug 2013 2:12am
No serious scope will allow usage to spot whales, etc.
A good scope has an equatorial mounting, or the azimuthal equivalent that is controlled by electronics.
You just don't lift these things and start using them to find animals out there.

I'd recommend you find a local club or association, and try it out. Sometimes they have laypeople's day where you just show up, have a look, talk with them.
The Observatory in Sydney used to have open nights, where you could ask that kind of questions.

Be warned: many people are disappointed with the real equipment. You need to really appreciate these things to be worth the dough.. Plus the previous replier is right: you'll never ever see nice things you can find online.
By the way, you have to live way out in the country for any serious equipment to be worthwhile - else too much light pollution to even work.
jbshack
jbshack
WA
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30 Aug 2013 10:43am
Thanks for the replies. I was thinking around $300 would be a reasonable price I really will use it only a little but just thought it would be a cool toy to have to play with.

Im really not sure what i would see out of one and i guess if i could make out a planet's outline that would be great. I had a look yesterday and it is bloody confusing for a layman who is crap with technical stuff

Any recommendations on shops or places to buy? North of Perth would be ideal but if anyone has a personal recommendation for online I'm keen

I was looking at Celestrial and Skywatcher as well. I say Saxxon but no looked into them yet..

Can i get a model that i can use to still use for binocular work, if i change out something?

Rod
jbshack
jbshack
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30 Aug 2013 10:46am
choco said..

Purchased this scope couple weeks ago it will change your view of the skies

www.bintel.com.au/product/bintel-bt252-b-10-inch-dobsonian/?v=322b26af01d5


Really looking for portable..Nice looking unit though
jbshack
jbshack
WA
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30 Aug 2013 1:25pm
Cambodge said..

Get a BIG pair of binoculars with a tripod plus a sun lounger to lie back on whilst you gaze star wards. Otherwise it's multi-000's dollars to make a Dobson telescope truly worthwhile.


I've had that suggestion. Also i have now had the Spotting scope idea thrown at me..I honestly am so lost its not funny..

Maybe i should actually get a telescope and a pair of binoculars and share the tri pod
Chris6791
Chris6791
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30 Aug 2013 1:52pm
Accept that whatever you buy will be wrong, simply because you don't know what you want or need. It's the just a matter of setting a budget of money you are willing spend as a starter. You wanted a telescope to start with, but a spotting scope might also suit your needs (especially portability).

You can buy a budget telescope for $150, just go buy one then wait and see how much you enjoy it, how much you use it and whether it's a passing fad or not. If you get your money's worth out of it then you can actually invest a bit more money in a better scope when you have a much better understanding on the technicalities of it all and what you want out of it.
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
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30 Aug 2013 1:59pm
Chris6791 said..

Accept that whatever you buy will be wrong, simply because you don't know what you want or need. It's the just a matter of setting a budget of money you are willing spend as a starter. You wanted a telescope to start with, but a spotting scope might also suit your needs (especially portability).

You can buy a budget telescope for $150, just go buy one then wait and see how much you enjoy it, how much you use it and whether it's a passing fad or not. If you get your money's worth out of it then you can actually invest a bit more money in a better scope when you have a much better understanding on the technicalities of it all and what you want out of it.


Yeah i know I'm being a scatter brain..Im set ill buy a Spotting scope to start with. I could use that to look around when down south a bit more and can see it getting used more than a plan night scope. Looking at a few just to work out straight through or 45 degree view
btow.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=369_305&products_id=1933

I think also a bit more in my budget as well..The hard part is most shops are telling me to spend over $600..But thats another surf board
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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1 Sep 2013 11:24am
Make sure you know what you are doing though, telescope salesman can spot a sucker a mile away
da vecta
da vecta
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1 Sep 2013 3:56pm
^ ha ha
jbshack
jbshack
WA
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2 Sep 2013 1:05pm
Carantoc said..

Make sure you know what you are doing though, telescope salesman can spot a sucker a mile away


Yeah found that
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
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2 Sep 2013 3:54pm
DNSDC said..

Have a look at www.ozscopes.com.au/ and www.bintel.com.au/ Prices start around $55 and the sky is the limit. (no pun intended). Good brands for starters are Celestron, Saxxon and Skywatcher. Less than $350 will get you seeing Mars and Venus really well. No real details but you can
I like the Cassegrain style as they are very compact and can be easily used for photography with an adaptor.

if your kids are old enough, have a look at building one from a kit.

A good spotting scope or a pair of binoculars resting on the fence will keep kids busy for hours looking at the moon. Bushnell or Tasco make some good value scopes.


I just ordered this one for Whale watching of Albany
www.ozscopes.com.au/celestron-c70-mini-mak-spotting-scope.html
Will play with this and then order a telescope for more star watching..

Oz Scopes were great to deal with, easy and down to earth
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