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Shark Rally at Parlament House Perth 11am Wed 8th May

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Created by Luma 5 months ago, 3 May 2018
Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
3 May 2018 5:10PM
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I'd never heard of smart drumlines
Wow. Sounds like the way to go based on those stats.

Now can we add a ban any activity designed to attract sharks or observe sharks for non - scientific purposes? No cages, no chumming up, etc

There are plenty of whales and dolphins etc for tourists to see.


gavnwend
NSW, 963 posts
3 May 2018 7:52PM
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They might work for sharks but what about the other marine species .could be potentially harmful to Dolfins etc the list goes on. Great idea but...

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
3 May 2018 5:56PM
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^^^ If one shark outa 278 was harmed, I wonder if it really is harmful to others?

busterwa
3602 posts
3 May 2018 6:31PM
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The seas has always been our way of life. we surf we enjoy life. complaints about shark culling are those that are simply to weak to except the food chain or don't have the lifestyle we do. .\
The tec is there Lets see what the future hold for swimming in Western Australia. Its a harsh reality. Life is dog eat dog, life is cruel. Freedom isn't free.

SafeBeaches
1 posts
6 May 2018 8:12AM
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Support the rally , this is a way to come together as a concerned group of water lovers that need safer beaches!!

ThinkaBowtit
WA, 1129 posts
6 May 2018 2:25PM
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I just hope it doesn't turn into a **** fight and that friends of the sharks keep it respectful. I predict that exact thought will keep a lot of people away, as will the mid-morning mid-week timing.

jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
6 May 2018 5:41PM
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ThinkaBowtit said..
I just hope it doesn't turn into a **** fight and that friends of the sharks keep it respectful. I predict that exact thought will keep a lot of people away, as will the mid-morning mid-week timing.


Honestly i dont know many "friends of sharks" who have an issue with Smart drum lines..I also don't know of anyone who is against them thinking of attending, So if your in support, i suggest you show up..Don't use them as a excuse..If something is important enough to you, show your support..

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
6 May 2018 6:29PM
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^^^^ NO COS IT IS ABOUT ANIMALS

So the usual hippies, the uni mob with no real life experience, and professional protesters will show up and scream about animals with no real informed opinion about the facts.
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Like anything, the far left will deliberately stifle debate by screaming about how those who may be even just slightly pondering maybe even thinking about a contrary opinion should all be burned at the stake. Regardless of reality or scientific facts. That's what they do.

People with jobs will find it hard to go.

The media will show the extreme end, and the politicians will tell us what we want to hear then go back to their chambers and cease giving a fk

Protests 101.........

DARTH
WA, 2788 posts
6 May 2018 8:04PM
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Mark _australia said..
^^^^ NO COS IT IS ABOUT ANIMALS

So the usual hippies, the uni mob with no real life experience, and professional protesters will show up and scream about animals with no real informed opinion about the facts.
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Like anything, the far left will deliberately stifle debate by screaming about how those who may be even just slightly pondering maybe even thinking about a contrary opinion should all be burned at the stake. Regardless of reality or scientific facts. That's what they do.

People with jobs will find it hard to go.

The media will show the extreme end, and the politicians will tell us what we want to hear then go back to their chambers and cease giving a fk

Protests 101.........



Do you shout at the clouds as well

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
6 May 2018 8:40PM
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^^^when they start making silly emotive statements not based in fact I guess I will

dusta
WA, 2884 posts
6 May 2018 10:24PM
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SafeBeaches said..
Support the rally , this is a way to come together as a concerned group of water lovers that need safer beaches!!


no sorry but **** that , you go in the ocean and you should expect whatever danger comes .


you can stick your rally

Adriano
9327 posts
7 May 2018 6:24AM
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Mark _australia said..
^^^when they start making silly emotive statements not based in fact I guess I will


If facts and cool headed statements are your thing, why do you support the organised killing of large numbers of sharks and in capital letters?

Why generalise about a group of people you disagree with?

Hippies were from the 1960's. They're long gone mate.

So are 1950's attitudes to managing natural risks.

hurryholly
9 posts
7 May 2018 9:18AM
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Mark _australia said..
^^^^ NO COS IT IS ABOUT ANIMALS

So the usual hippies, the uni mob with no real life experience, and professional protesters will show up and scream about animals with no real informed opinion about the facts.
'
Like anything, the far left will deliberately stifle debate by screaming about how those who may be even just slightly pondering maybe even thinking about a contrary opinion should all be burned at the stake. Regardless of reality or scientific facts. That's what they do.

People with jobs will find it hard to go.

The media will show the extreme end, and the politicians will tell us what we want to hear then go back to their chambers and cease giving a fk

Protests 101.........




And whats your life experience???
A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need....
Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....

ThinkaBowtit
WA, 1129 posts
7 May 2018 9:27AM
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jbshack said..

ThinkaBowtit said..
I just hope it doesn't turn into a **** fight and that friends of the sharks keep it respectful. I predict that exact thought will keep a lot of people away, as will the mid-morning mid-week timing.


Honestly i dont know many "friends of sharks" who have an issue with Smart drum lines..I also don't know of anyone who is against them thinking of attending, So if your in support, i suggest you show up..Don't use them as a excuse..If something is important enough to you, show your support..


We'll see what happens, shall we?

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
7 May 2018 9:35AM
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Adriano said..
If facts and cool headed statements are your thing, why do you support the organised killing of large numbers of sharks and in capital letters?

Why generalise about a group of people you disagree with?

Hippies were from the 1960's. They're long gone mate.

So are 1950's attitudes to managing natural risks.


Again, the leftie goes and puts words in my mouth
Where did I say I support the killing of sharks in large numbers?

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
7 May 2018 9:45AM
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hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....


Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?

hurryholly
9 posts
7 May 2018 10:00AM
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Mark _australia said..

hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....



Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?


Soooooo.....no experience, just entitlement.
Your observations are useless
I'm just gunna take a guess here
Your a registered firearm owner
Your contributions too water sports completely forgettable
Soooo, why we killing sharks again???

Mark _australia
WA, 18301 posts
7 May 2018 10:05AM
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Millsy the Marine Biology expert

Yay.

Bara
WA, 367 posts
7 May 2018 10:39AM
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hmmm now im torn -

7 foot and offshore all day wednesday

jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
7 May 2018 10:48AM
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Mark _australia said..

hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....



Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?


Oh the Irony

You forgot the over 45% bycatch on the SDL. Also to be clear, you say the sharks were relocated out to sea. Normally that was around 500m to 1km. For an ocean going fish like a great white, thats not far. Actually truth be known (clearly your unaware of that) the sharks after being tagged did head further offshore of their own accord, around 30 miles, but with in 4 weeks, they were back inshore.

SO many people are saying once the sharks are tagged, you can track them. The truth again is that their are no WMR receivers in the Southwest. A tagged shark can only be detected once it swims past a receiver with in 500 m of it. So unless its swam up to Perth metro, the one station in Albany or then Esperance, how do you expect to know a tagged shark is in the area

I think its important people be a little more clear about what they are wanting.. At least when pro cullers say they just want to kill sharks, they understand what their asking..

kato
VIC, 2289 posts
7 May 2018 12:58PM
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Is there research being done on why WA is having an issue and SA and VIC not.
It's the same sharks that cruise past all our coastlines

jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
7 May 2018 11:31AM
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Is there research being done on why WA is having an issue and SA and VIC not.
It's the same sharks that cruise past all our coastlines


The WA capes region is the most Western point of Australia, so the sharks tend to hug the coast in that region. Same as the whales and the salmon, Their food source. The same can be said of the Northern NSW area, the most Eastern point. So its a simple human interaction and sharks swimming past means more altercations..(for want of a better word)

Bara
WA, 367 posts
7 May 2018 11:35AM
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jbshack said..

Mark _australia said..


hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....




Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?



Oh the Irony

You forgot the over 45% bycatch on the SDL. Also to be clear, you say the sharks were relocated out to sea. Normally that was around 500m to 1km. For an ocean going fish like a great white, thats not far. Actually truth be known (clearly your unaware of that) the sharks after being tagged did head further offshore of their own accord, around 30 miles, but with in 4 weeks, they were back inshore.

SO many people are saying once the sharks are tagged, you can track them. The truth again is that their are no WMR receivers in the Southwest. A tagged shark can only be detected once it swims past a receiver with in 500 m of it. So unless its swam up to Perth metro, the one station in Albany or then Esperance, how do you expect to know a tagged shark is in the area

I think its important people be a little more clear about what they are wanting.. At least when pro cullers say they just want to kill sharks, they understand what their asking..


Fark me jb just how far can you miss a point by?

you know what the tagged whites did in NSW BECAUSE THEY WERE TAGGED!

We have no clue what the whites are doing down here right now in comparison. Just a bunch of theories.

Of course we need more receivers duh!

By catch? who gives a toss? its a drop in the bucket to what we take out of the ocean on a daily basis. if you want to be an eco warrior go start a fight with the spanish fishing fleet in the pacific. slowing that would actually make a difference. A couple of by catch sharks does not.

Richoa
NSW, 417 posts
7 May 2018 1:39PM
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protect humans, lower the cost of fish and chips.

jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
7 May 2018 12:07PM
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Bara said..

jbshack said..


Mark _australia said..



hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....





Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?




Oh the Irony

You forgot the over 45% bycatch on the SDL. Also to be clear, you say the sharks were relocated out to sea. Normally that was around 500m to 1km. For an ocean going fish like a great white, thats not far. Actually truth be known (clearly your unaware of that) the sharks after being tagged did head further offshore of their own accord, around 30 miles, but with in 4 weeks, they were back inshore.

SO many people are saying once the sharks are tagged, you can track them. The truth again is that their are no WMR receivers in the Southwest. A tagged shark can only be detected once it swims past a receiver with in 500 m of it. So unless its swam up to Perth metro, the one station in Albany or then Esperance, how do you expect to know a tagged shark is in the area

I think its important people be a little more clear about what they are wanting.. At least when pro cullers say they just want to kill sharks, they understand what their asking..



Fark me jb just how far can you miss a point by?

you know what the tagged whites did in NSW BECAUSE THEY WERE TAGGED!

We have no clue what the whites are doing down here right now in comparison. Just a bunch of theories.

Of course we need more receivers duh!

By catch? who gives a toss? its a drop in the bucket to what we take out of the ocean on a daily basis. if you want to be an eco warrior go start a fight with the spanish fishing fleet in the pacific. slowing that would actually make a difference. A couple of by catch sharks does not.


I guess you've never bothered to ask WHY their are no receivers in the capes region by your post

And you think i've missed the point

Bara
WA, 367 posts
7 May 2018 12:33PM
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jbshack said..

Bara said..


jbshack said..



Mark _australia said..




hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....






Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?





Oh the Irony

You forgot the over 45% bycatch on the SDL. Also to be clear, you say the sharks were relocated out to sea. Normally that was around 500m to 1km. For an ocean going fish like a great white, thats not far. Actually truth be known (clearly your unaware of that) the sharks after being tagged did head further offshore of their own accord, around 30 miles, but with in 4 weeks, they were back inshore.

SO many people are saying once the sharks are tagged, you can track them. The truth again is that their are no WMR receivers in the Southwest. A tagged shark can only be detected once it swims past a receiver with in 500 m of it. So unless its swam up to Perth metro, the one station in Albany or then Esperance, how do you expect to know a tagged shark is in the area

I think its important people be a little more clear about what they are wanting.. At least when pro cullers say they just want to kill sharks, they understand what their asking..




Fark me jb just how far can you miss a point by?

you know what the tagged whites did in NSW BECAUSE THEY WERE TAGGED!

We have no clue what the whites are doing down here right now in comparison. Just a bunch of theories.

Of course we need more receivers duh!

By catch? who gives a toss? its a drop in the bucket to what we take out of the ocean on a daily basis. if you want to be an eco warrior go start a fight with the spanish fishing fleet in the pacific. slowing that would actually make a difference. A couple of by catch sharks does not.



I guess you've never bothered to ask WHY their are no receivers in the capes region by your post

And you think i've missed the point


Do enlighten us please professor shack?

MDSXR6T
WA, 933 posts
7 May 2018 12:36PM
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jbshack said.
The WA capes region is the most Western point of Australia

Since when? Has Australia moved lately and some of us arent aware of it?

It's funny you know, the real western most point of Australia is loaded with massive tiger sharks, there are thousands of them with plenty of water users and yet very few attacks?

The southern most point of WA (in West Cape Howe) also has plenty of 3 and 4m tigers that dont seem to cause too many problems either. Not sure why either...

hurryholly
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7 May 2018 1:41PM
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Mark _australia said..
Millsy the Marine Biology expert

Yay.




Compared to you, I may as well be fricken King Neptune.....
Although, I do suspect a golf ball may have got stuck in your blow hole....


jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
7 May 2018 1:45PM
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MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said.
The WA capes region is the most Western point of Australia


Since when? Has Australia moved lately and some of us arent aware of it?

It's funny you know, the real western most point of Australia is loaded with massive tiger sharks, there are thousands of them with plenty of water users and yet very few attacks?

The southern most point of WA (in West Cape Howe) also has plenty of 3 and 4m tigers that dont seem to cause too many problems either. Not sure why either...


Great whites as a rule dont swim that far north, let alone my point is they turn and hug the capes.. Tiger sharks and Great Whites are a little different when it comes to attacks. Not sure if your aware, but not so many tIgers attack in WA..

jbshack
WA, 6733 posts
7 May 2018 1:47PM
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Bara said..

jbshack said..


Bara said..



jbshack said..




Mark _australia said..





hurryholly said..
And whats your life experience??? A bit of time windsurfing badly has given you all the insight you need.... Like a few loose nickels in a pocket.....chump change....







Aaah and there it is again, personal attack no facts. None of the mob who are against any intervention with shark attacks have addressed the 278 that were caught on drum lines and relocated out to sea with no harm caused.
All your side do is say anyone who is all for intervention is a shark killer. Emotive arguments and stifling debate

BTW seeing as though you asked my experience - 40 years living in WA with never hearing of shark attacks until about 15yrs ago when they started going up and up. Two attacks at my local in a couple of years ....... when there had never been a shark seen near the beach for decades.

Culminating in me planning to take my 8y/o for a surf lesson one day, but the day before I do I am at a fatal shark attack that was horrific like you can't even imagine, and people I know were affected beyond belief. There's some "life experience" for you. Since then I listen to the scientific evidence and well reasoned arguments so as to have an opinion based in fact, not idiots who say "its their ocean accept some risk...and we can't kill a living animal"

How about you come back with your real username and engage in debate instead of just rubbishing others ideas with no actual reasoned argument for your side?






Oh the Irony

You forgot the over 45% bycatch on the SDL. Also to be clear, you say the sharks were relocated out to sea. Normally that was around 500m to 1km. For an ocean going fish like a great white, thats not far. Actually truth be known (clearly your unaware of that) the sharks after being tagged did head further offshore of their own accord, around 30 miles, but with in 4 weeks, they were back inshore.

SO many people are saying once the sharks are tagged, you can track them. The truth again is that their are no WMR receivers in the Southwest. A tagged shark can only be detected once it swims past a receiver with in 500 m of it. So unless its swam up to Perth metro, the one station in Albany or then Esperance, how do you expect to know a tagged shark is in the area

I think its important people be a little more clear about what they are wanting.. At least when pro cullers say they just want to kill sharks, they understand what their asking..





Fark me jb just how far can you miss a point by?

you know what the tagged whites did in NSW BECAUSE THEY WERE TAGGED!

We have no clue what the whites are doing down here right now in comparison. Just a bunch of theories.

Of course we need more receivers duh!

By catch? who gives a toss? its a drop in the bucket to what we take out of the ocean on a daily basis. if you want to be an eco warrior go start a fight with the spanish fishing fleet in the pacific. slowing that would actually make a difference. A couple of by catch sharks does not.




I guess you've never bothered to ask WHY their are no receivers in the capes region by your post

And you think i've missed the point



Do enlighten us please professor shack?


My point AGIAN stop taking information you read on line as an education. Go do some research, ring and talk to the people involved..

Not much point me explaining..



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