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Accident @Pelican Point, WA

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Created by dbabicwa Two weeks ago, 3 Mar 2019
dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:12PM
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Hi

Yesterday arvo we witnessed an accident involving an intermediate kiter and a group of innocent turists.

It happened in front of my eyes, was 3m away, straight on the impact path. Unfortunately, the young women, a turist from China, was badly injured and her life is now changed forever.

The kiter jumped a few meters before the concrete barrier with a fence, where the footpath is packed with people watching us on the water.

At that moment there were 6 people watching, including myself, when the kiter misjudged the jump, went over the fence, and 'moved' all people on the path, first hitting the wooden fence with the board, than bounced off and directly hit the women. Than smashed into the ground, his head missing the pole by a few inches.

The lady suffered an open broken leg, potential brain concussion and bruises. The 3 of us administrated pressure on the wound, and applied bandages. She was in the shock, shaking uncontrollably. Her husband did not speak any English, which did not help either.

The kiter seemed to be injured but with no physical evidence through my eyes.

It was decided not to call an ambulance since the turist couple was not insured, as I understand. The decision was made to drive her to Charlie's and at this stage it is unknown of her well being. It is also unknown how much they will be out of pocket and if the kiter has KSA membership and insurance.

On this occasion, I feel morally objected to report this in here. There were a number of us, older and quite experienced kiters there. We all know each other. This was bound to happen, and yes, I used to jump high, 4-6m, near to a footpath in shallows.

I also call WAKSA/KSA to somehow warn people not to jump near PeliPt footpath. One bad accident, and this metro spot might be off limits.

Hope you all understand.

Dean

quikdrawMcgraw
951 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:18PM
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Who is Charlie?
How the bloody hell did he end up on the path, was he jumping in shallow water with a path full of people directly down wind?

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:21PM
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Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital, 5mins drive from PeliPt.

Yes. In boots.

kiter64
WA, 40 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:32PM
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Yes seriously ,wtf , how and why would you be jumping that close to a path and people
I just dont get it ...

I really hope this guy is responsible and looks after the injured ladies hospital costs etc .

LuigiKiter
WA, 183 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:34PM
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Well I hope the offender gets told to stop being a show off and jump further away from people. Gladly no one got killed.

LuigiKiter
WA, 183 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:35PM
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kiter64 said..
Yes seriously ,wtf , how and why would you be jumping that close to a path and people
I just dont get it ...

I really hope this guy is responsible and looks after the injured ladies hospital costs etc .


yes, I hope this is the case. He is a ****wit for sure.

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:56PM
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LuigiKiter said..
Well I hope the offender gets told to stop being a show off and jump further away from people. Gladly no one got killed.


I actually thought that he killed her and broke his back on impact.

Unfortunately, people will continue to jump and we have no means to stop that.

Thus, I call WAKSA to place the sign or do whatever is needed to minimize the risk to innocent people.

quikdrawMcgraw
951 posts
3 Mar 2019 1:22PM
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Well ima sure he made a solid impression

cauncy
WA, 6947 posts
3 Mar 2019 4:26PM
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Poor tiddlywinks
they went to see some pelicans
and got close up with a show pony, some crew Carnt help but show the general public how rad they are,

cauncy
WA, 6947 posts
3 Mar 2019 4:28PM
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Thus, I call WAKSA to place the sign or do whatever is needed to minimize the risk to innocent people.






Gazuki
WA, 863 posts
3 Mar 2019 4:34PM
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I didn't know Leo was on holiday.

All jokes aside I would love to see the footage.

Wanga F One
QLD, 227 posts
3 Mar 2019 7:14PM
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Although the tourist couple may not have been insured I think the decision to not call an ambulance is questionable. Says me who wasn't there. But you said head injuries which may mean neck or spinal injuries. An ambulance bill
Hopefully been picked up by the perpetrator is better than the risk of further injuries. Again says me who wasn't there.

Wanga F One
QLD, 227 posts
3 Mar 2019 7:18PM
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^^^^ travel insurance?

Mark _australia
WA, 18809 posts
3 Mar 2019 5:47PM
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How hard is it? Don't jump right in close. Do it out the back. Who cares if you don't have an audience.

There was a knob jumping about 2m from the beach all afternoon at Corro a couple of months ago. He was abused by beach walkers, windsurfers, kiters etc - and every time he smiled and waved with a bit of a smartarse look and then continued to do it. I mean how dumb are some folks?


Some of these c0cks are going to get us ALL banned. Do we really want licensing and mandated pfds/ flares/ exclusion zone of 100m from anyone walking or in the water etc...?

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 8:18PM
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We all know each other, cant comment what went wrong other than he misjudged the landing/redirection.

He can comment if he wants.

We, as a community of windsurfers/kiters @PeliPt, invested a significant time in negotiations with a local government and City of Perth Parking to keep this site open and free of parking fees.

It was not easy to achieve that and I thank everyone involved from this forum as well.

On this occasion, the fatal tragedy did not happen for both parties involved. The kiter is an exceptional individual and the post is not against him. Accidents do/will happen.

Was it preventable? Absolutely.

A few yellow buoys with a pic migh indicate that, how is that for a start?
Thoughts?












Aspiremr
WA, 84 posts
3 Mar 2019 8:42PM
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Wow Dean, since I've been foiling I dont get to Peli anywhere near as I used to.But every spot seems to have that one or two people who just have this desperate need to do everything close to shore, short tacking, always staying close, blocking' launch and land areas. It is just nuts. I'm spending much more time at Melville as its better for foiling, and theres one knob who basically touches the shore every run. As he turns to go back out he looks to scan the beach and see who might have seen him. He's not actually really even any good. We've all told him. Every spot has them. It's just not that hard, but some people live in liittle bubbles.

Hope the lady ends up being ok, and whoever the kiter was is ok, and has learned a lesson.

MR

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 8:57PM
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Wanga F One said..
Although the tourist couple may not have been insured I think the decision to not call an ambulance is questionable. Says me who wasn't there. But you said head injuries which may mean neck or spinal injuries. An ambulance bill
Hopefully been picked up by the perpetrator is better than the risk of further injuries. Again says me who wasn't there.


Hard to tell. That would be two ambulances, if the perpetrator expressed his acceptance to do so.

We cant force someone who is conscious to do anything against her/his will.

Sparky
WA, 851 posts
3 Mar 2019 9:12PM
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An innocent tourist who is injured with an "open broken leg" and "head injuries" needs an ambulance ASAP. Call it and worry about who will pay for it later, surely!! And other people are also on here joking?? Pull your heads in.

LuigiKiter
WA, 183 posts
3 Mar 2019 9:33PM
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Sparky said..
An innocent tourist who is injured with an "open broken leg" and "head injuries" needs an ambulance ASAP. Call it and worry about who will pay for it later, surely!! And other people are also on here joking?? Pull your heads in.


Yah, agree completely. I would not want to think that the people there made the judgement not to call an ambulance so things didn't escalate or make the situation worse for the culpable.

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
3 Mar 2019 9:46PM
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You are barking on the wrong tree...

If the head was split open, than her husband would agree to call in. Same if the leg was cut in half.

Did I write head injuries? Read again. Was she unconscious?

She was in the hospital in 10 mins. Which is 1.5km away. You well know where Charlies is.

Way faster than an ambulance, with their 16 mins average time and possibly someone in a bigger need for it.

Last time when the guy broke both his ankles on Woodies, the ambulance could not find them. They went back.second one come after 1 hr....Enough said.

i suggest you to break something on a beach and hope they will find you. This is not an house number, or a car crash with police everywhere.

While on it, do you have a KSA insurance? No? Well than. Who will cover the expenses than?

Will you offer to pay when calling for a service? Yes, no?

drsurf
NSW, 16 posts
4 Mar 2019 1:57AM
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You call an ambulance end of story.

Unless you're a trained paramedic with all the equipment on site to immobilise the injured and prevent further injury, you don't just bundle someone into a car just because the hospital is a few minutes away.
There could be serious spinal or head injuries which could be fatal or lead to paraplegia or quadriplegia with the wrong movement. Likewise internal bleeding could be exacerbated without the right knowledge. You can also open yourself up for liability by incorrect treatment or advice.

How much does an ambulance cost compared to a life or future quality of life? What do people think the ambulance service is for? Just so some people in uniform can run sirens and lights through traffic lights??? I can't believe we have to have this conversation.

exal
WA, 23 posts
4 Mar 2019 2:11AM
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drsurf said..
You call an ambulance end of story.

Unless you're a trained paramedic with all the equipment on site to immobilise the injured and prevent further injury, you don't just bundle someone into a car just because the hospital is a few minutes away.
There could be serious spinal or head injuries which could be fatal or lead to paraplegia or quadriplegia with the wrong movement. Likewise internal bleeding could be exacerbated without the right knowledge. You can also open yourself up for liability by incorrect treatment or advice.

How much does an ambulance cost compared to a life or future quality of life? What do people think the ambulance service is for? Just so some people in uniform can run sirens and lights through traffic lights??? I can't believe we have to have this conversation.


Spot on, don't try to be a hero! Hope everyone recovers well and the peanut learned his lessson!

quikdrawMcgraw
951 posts
4 Mar 2019 5:04AM
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Didn't you say the guy jumping was a China man or only his wife who got hit?

I went back and re read it, the guy jumping was a local dude.
Cleaned up a group of Chinese just looking.
Does the bloke jump right next to the path all the time?

dafish
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Mar 2019 8:28AM
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drsurf said..
You call an ambulance end of story.

Unless you're a trained paramedic with all the equipment on site to immobilise the injured and prevent further injury, you don't just bundle someone into a car just because the hospital is a few minutes away.
There could be serious spinal or head injuries which could be fatal or lead to paraplegia or quadriplegia with the wrong movement. Likewise internal bleeding could be exacerbated without the right knowledge. You can also open yourself up for liability by incorrect treatment or advice.

How much does an ambulance cost compared to a life or future quality of life? What do people think the ambulance service is for? Just so some people in uniform can run sirens and lights through traffic lights??? I can't believe we have to have this conversation.


If ANY of you have had any medical emergency training, (and by the way, you should if you are involved in active sports like kite surfing) you would know about stabilising a victim and letting the paramedics do their thing. I do get that it's frustrating trying to get a call through and giving an exact location sometimes, but the risk of permanent damage or death is not uncommon by moving someone the wrong way. As far as cost of an ambulance is concerned it should NEVER enter the equation when a life is at risk. Paramedic treatment is cheap when all things are considered.

beebee
129 posts
4 Mar 2019 5:36AM
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dbabicwa said..
We all know each other, cant comment what went wrong other than he misjudged the landing/redirection.

He can comment if he wants.

We, as a community of windsurfers/kiters @PeliPt, invested a significant time in negotiations with a local government and City of Perth Parking to keep this site open and free of parking fees.

It was not easy to achieve that and I thank everyone involved from this forum as well.

On this occasion, the fatal tragedy did not happen for both parties involved. The kiter is an exceptional individual and the post is not against him. Accidents do/will happen.

Was it preventable? Absolutely.

A few yellow buoys with a pic migh indicate that, how is that for a start?
Thoughts?














"Exceptional individual"? Perhaps.
But also a massive, egotistical idiot. He almost killed someone, severely injured her, and utterly destroyed that couple's hard earned holiday. Who knows what lingering physical/emotional problems she might have.

Accidents happen, but from how you described it, this was totally preventable. Yet another Rockstar being a d**khead. It's a growing plague.

As for the ambulance...you just call one. As someone else said, you have zero capacity to assess whether there are spinal, head or internal injuries...for both people.

beebee
129 posts
4 Mar 2019 5:42AM
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dafish said..

drsurf said..
You call an ambulance end of story.

Unless you're a trained paramedic with all the equipment on site to immobilise the injured and prevent further injury, you don't just bundle someone into a car just because the hospital is a few minutes away.
There could be serious spinal or head injuries which could be fatal or lead to paraplegia or quadriplegia with the wrong movement. Likewise internal bleeding could be exacerbated without the right knowledge. You can also open yourself up for liability by incorrect treatment or advice.

How much does an ambulance cost compared to a life or future quality of life? What do people think the ambulance service is for? Just so some people in uniform can run sirens and lights through traffic lights??? I can't believe we have to have this conversation.



If ANY of you have had any medical emergency training, (and by the way, you should if you are involved in active sports like kite surfing) you would know about stabilising a victim and letting the paramedics do their thing. I do get that it's frustrating trying to get a call through and giving an exact location sometimes, but the risk of permanent damage or death is not uncommon by moving someone the wrong way. As far as cost of an ambulance is concerned it should NEVER enter the equation when a life is at risk. Paramedic treatment is cheap when all things are considered.


Spot on.

theDoctor
NSW, 4653 posts
4 Mar 2019 10:05AM
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drsurf said..
You call an ambulance end of story.

Unless you're a trained paramedic with all the equipment on site to immobilise the injured and prevent further injury, you don't just bundle someone into a car just because the hospital is a few minutes away.
There could be serious spinal or head injuries which could be fatal or lead to paraplegia or quadriplegia with the wrong movement. Likewise internal bleeding could be exacerbated without the right knowledge. You can also open yourself up for liability by incorrect treatment or advice.

How much does an ambulance cost compared to a life or future quality of life? What do people think the ambulance service is for? Just so some people in uniform can run sirens and lights through traffic lights??? I can't believe we have to have this conversation.


Plus they give you all the green whistles you want, which is worth the admission price alone

quikdrawMcgraw
951 posts
4 Mar 2019 7:27AM
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No insurance shouldn't have been a worrying issue as the kiters who hurt them is liable Yeah?

LuigiKiter
WA, 183 posts
4 Mar 2019 7:35AM
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dbabicwa said..
You are barking on the wrong tree...

If the head was split open, than her husband would agree to call in. Same if the leg was cut in half.

Did I write head injuries? Read again. Was she unconscious?

She was in the hospital in 10 mins. Which is 1.5km away. You well know where Charlies is.

Way faster than an ambulance, with their 16 mins average time and possibly someone in a bigger need for it.

Last time when the guy broke both his ankles on Woodies, the ambulance could not find them. They went back.second one come after 1 hr....Enough said.

i suggest you to break something on a beach and hope they will find you. This is not an house number, or a car crash with police everywhere.

While on it, do you have a KSA insurance? No? Well than. Who will cover the expenses than?

Will you offer to pay when calling for a service? Yes, no?


That's the point, he is liable he has to cover her expenses. I believe everyone there just trying to cover for him. If I'm barking at the wrong tree then prove me wrong, will this kiter assume fault and try to at least cover for her expenses?

Yes, I do have insurance, if he doesn't and he is liable his fault.

2stubborn2quit
WA, 99 posts
4 Mar 2019 8:31AM
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Oh WOW!
This is getting very emotive in regards to calling an ambulance.
Firstly let me clarify I cant stand show offs who jump right next to shore, stand in shore in a crowded area and f#ck around with their kite in the air while they have a lengthy chat. Short tack in front of people continuously etc, etc.
BUT
Calling an ambulance is a judgement call by the people who are there at the time not keyboard warriors.
If the injured party does not want an ambulance and refuses to take it (for whatever reason) the officers will not touch them anyway.
If the person is mobile and injuries are manageable then taking them to hospital instead of calling an ambulance is a very sensible and logical step. ESPECIALLY if it is a couple of minutes away.

When I think of the injuries sustained by myself and bystanders over the years where we had the common sense to assess, apply first aid and transport to hospital, I think that some people here are being irrational. How many MTB accidents I have dealt with. Call an Ambulance, Yeah .... fat chance.

The kiter...????
I am a safe kiter but I try stuff all the time out of my skill level but well away from shore. However I have made mistakes every kiter I have every known or met has also made mistakes. I hope this guy takes responsibility for his mistake.

Ok... Time to get flamed

dbabicwa
WA, 733 posts
4 Mar 2019 12:25PM
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To many people here are trying to make the point.

As always.

The only valid discussion is how to proceed from here.

If you have some thoughts about that, lets hear it.

I suggested a bouy with a graphic and waksa/ksa involvement.

It might not stop everyone, but at least something to point to.





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