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Created by PusherII A week ago, 16 Mar 2019
PusherII
45 posts
16 Mar 2019 12:56AM
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Question guys..

when we set up the the kite in the mode of low bar pressure, kite, for example on the tips of the kite or on bridle or both, do we lose some power too? What technically happens to the kite to make lower bar pression?

Thanks

Gilly3
QLD, 725 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 6:22AM
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As far as I know it should only affect the turning speed of the kite....should not lose any power at all....

Personally, I sacrifice turning speed for low bar pressure due to tennis elbow issues....

theDoctor
NSW, 4657 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 7:29AM
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Personally, I don't have pussy elbows and rather enjoy holding my bar under pressure

PusherII
45 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 5:46AM
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Gilly3 said..
As far as I know it should only affect the turning speed of the kite....should not lose any power at all....

Personally, I sacrifice turning speed for low bar pressure due to tennis elbow issues....


[url=ibb.co/XDQDWtW]

from this image it seems lower bar pressure=more speed

Peahi
VIC, 1022 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 8:58AM
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While it may turn the kite "faster" you lose a fair bit of depower range in the bar and the kite may not perform as well in lighter winds so its more on/off for depower. I also think it may reduce the kites ability to fully open up when depowered, dunno...hence reduced lighter wind performance...Ironic as you want it to turn faster in lighter winds...

Having said all that always use the higher bar pressure, bugger the tennis/golf elbow, except no real point on smaller kites (and in stronger winds the gust range is a lot higher anyway so a wider depower range is welcome).

cauncy
WA, 6955 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 6:36AM
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I tried to remember a really big drinks order at the pub,
heavy bar pressure that

stray
SA, 85 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 12:41PM
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Great advice from some. If you have an elbow injury, **** it just go harder and do more damage!

Peahi
VIC, 1022 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 7:15PM
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stray said..
Great advice from some. If you have an elbow injury, **** it just go harder and do more damage!


Actually it was more incorrect technique...flying/turning and not fully sheeting in the kite .. instead of expecting it to power from being parked.

Feet close together for upwind stance. Still get it sometimes in lighter winds when I have to work the kite harder.

Used to get it real bad with the early gutless drifters riding toeside, somehow now it does not seem so bad and the newer kites are much more grunty. Can fly a 9m easy in under 20, even just under 15. Also have the bar much closer with the rope setup.

PusherII
45 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 5:23PM
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Peahi said..
While it may turn the kite "faster" you lose a fair bit of depower range in the bar and the kite may not perform as well in lighter winds so its more on/off for depower. I also think it may reduce the kites ability to fully open up when depowered, dunno...hence reduced lighter wind performance...Ironic as you want it to turn faster in lighter winds...

Having said all that always use the higher bar pressure, bugger the tennis/golf elbow, except no real point on smaller kites (and in stronger winds the gust range is a lot higher anyway so a wider depower range is welcome).


So, for you make sense use lower pressure in strong winds and heavier in lightwind. It make sense to me too...
Even if my 17m Is bit heavy in lightwind too. That i like, but i didnt understand if lowering pressure i reduce power and It matter a lot as i use my 17 in very lowwind and i dont want to redure power

toppleover
QLD, 1478 posts
Saturday , 16 Mar 2019 7:37PM
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PusherII said..
Question guys..

when we set up the the kite in the mode of low bar pressure, kite, for example on the tips of the kite or on bridle or both, do we lose some power too? What technically happens to the kite to make lower bar pression?

Thanks



The back lines are attached closest to the wing tips making the kite more reactive to bar input. The further you move the steering (back) lines to the center of the kite, the more bar pressure is needed to turn the kite & the slower it will turn.
I prefer the light bar pressure setting & know that I can gain more power using this setting by flying the kite efficiently (surfboard) but some (TT) may find otherwise.

Try it & see how you go...

Peahi
VIC, 1022 posts
Sunday , 17 Mar 2019 7:37AM
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PusherII said..

Peahi said..
While it may turn the kite "faster" you lose a fair bit of depower range in the bar and the kite may not perform as well in lighter winds so its more on/off for depower. I also think it may reduce the kites ability to fully open up when depowered, dunno...hence reduced lighter wind performance...Ironic as you want it to turn faster in lighter winds...

Having said all that always use the higher bar pressure, bugger the tennis/golf elbow, except no real point on smaller kites (and in stronger winds the gust range is a lot higher anyway so a wider depower range is welcome).



So, for you make sense use lower pressure in strong winds and heavier in lightwind. It make sense to me too...
Even if my 17m Is bit heavy in lightwind too. That i like, but i didnt understand if lowering pressure i reduce power and It matter a lot as i use my 17 in very lowwind and i dont want to redure power


makes sense but I think having the rear lines closer to centre of kite prevents it from opening up fully so you may lose a bit of light wind grunt (ie the arc of the kite is narrower)

but the benefit is that the kite will turn faster, I do it on all my larger kites as I don't want to wait 10mins for the kite to turn.

Peahi
VIC, 1022 posts
Sunday , 17 Mar 2019 7:40AM
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toppleover said..


The back lines are attached closest to the wing tips making the kite more reactive to bar input. The further you move the steering (back) lines to the center of the kite, the more bar pressure is needed to turn the kite & the slower it will turn.



I'm pretty sure its the other way around (higher bar pressure = faster turning) but may depend on type of kite shape

PusherII
45 posts
Sunday , 17 Mar 2019 4:04PM
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Peahi said..



toppleover said..



The back lines are attached closest to the wing tips making the kite more reactive to bar input. The further you move the steering (back) lines to the center of the kite, the more bar pressure is needed to turn the kite & the slower it will turn.




I'm pretty sure its the other way around (higher bar pressure = faster turning) but may depend on type of kite shape


Did u see my pics above?



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