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Hi V vs low V, long line 24m vs short line 22m

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Created by THE PIN PULLER 3 months ago, 11 Aug 2017
THE PIN PULLER
WA, 107 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:49PM
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Evening all. Been feckin around with all my settings on my board & kite of late since getting the piq gadget back in March. Trying to get my jumps as high as possible averaging 9-10m atm. I can loop the kite on the way down(down loop) pulling the front hand will land 10 out of 10 jumps not a worry in the world. Of late I've been trying jumping and saying in my head.... one....two....after leaving the water then ripping on the back hand. this is all on my 10m with 24m lines. Set on free ride front lines and the rear lines on the 3rd pig tail up the kite (max bar pressure / angle of attack) not at the bottom of the wing tip. My 24m bar rear lines are Set on the second shortest setting in the bar also. I fly North Vegas 2013 8m 10m 12m. I've got a 2016 10m Vegas as well when I fly this 16model on the 24m lines I need to shorten the rear lines to the shortest setting. Loaded 5th are all on the shortest knot also.


Been going out in 20/25knots went out this eve on the 2013 10m Vegas on 22m lines second setting on the rear lines everything else all set the same couldn't jump over 8m average. It was defo windy enough. My question is what lines for biggest height. Does the loaded 5th line knots change anything at all? I would rather use the shorter lines for the back handed kiteloops.

How do i set the kite up
bar up for max height not worried about float as I normally loop front had on way down anyway.


Do I just need a rebel upgrade ???

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1496 posts
11 Aug 2017 11:10PM
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Doesnt matter what kite you have - adjust the lines on the water so there is the absolute minimum backstall when powered up...
If youve got too much backstall, the kite will want to jump in a flatter arc rather than vertical.

If the kite flares and does weird stuff during the down loop - put a little more stall into it, to maintain canopy tension to resist the flare. Bit of a trade off when it comes to riding very overpowered.

After that its all technique. Is that 10m off waves ?

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 107 posts
12 Aug 2017 5:43AM
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Hey mate. It's in flat water. No waves. Waves this arvo so might be a different story.When you say back stall, normally my kite can be stalled if I hold both steering lines x 1foot up them and pull the bar in to full power kite will park its self down into the window? Does this mean the lines are to slack?
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cauncy
WA, 5510 posts
12 Aug 2017 7:02AM
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On the 2013 your freestyle/wake setting would also make a bit of difference, this would be worth playing around with

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1496 posts
12 Aug 2017 10:59AM
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THE PIN PULLER said..
Hey mate. It's in flat water. No waves. Waves this arvo so might be a different story.When you say back stall, normally my kite can be stalled if I hold both steering lines x 1foot up them and pull the bar in to full power kite will park its self down into the window? Does this mean the lines are to slack?
Cheers




10m off flatwater is pretty damned good if you mean Woodies or pond flatwater :)
To begin with then...
Stand on the beach kite at 12, adjust the settings until you can get it to fly back over your head as far as you can.
Once you find this point - adjust rear lines shorter so it just back stalls (falls backward) with bar pulled full down.
On the water it will bacstall more, as the dynamics change with edging.
In a big gust check and adjust this last bit of stall out with your depower line so the kite sits at full forward pulling power without surging going forward or backward.

When you jump, the kite will actually be in a backstall position on the way up - as you sit directly under the kite, the full aerodynamics will come into play giving you max lift.

If you need to add in pigtails for fine tuning just do it.. stretched canopy or lines throw the standard settings out in a slightly used kite over 6mths old..

If you mess up a wave launch and get spun by the Lip - move both hands to the centre and relax youll drop down nicely.

Matt988
WA, 138 posts
12 Aug 2017 12:25PM
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On the 2016 vegas you'll want the high depower setting on the front lines and the hard bar settings on the rear. (hard bar setting goes higher but you need a touch more back hand pull to get the kite to loop around) I use the shortest rear line settings on the bar if under 30kn and the second shortest over 30kn (for my 9m.) the other thing to check is make sure you're using the right 5th line knot on the kite. Lower knot for wake bar higher knot for trust bar. I've used 22 and 24m lines on the 9m and found im getting more height out of he 22m lines and kite looping doesn't nessissarily give you more height, my biggest jump 16.5m was a straight boost off a chest high wave in 30kn. Good Technique and timing is all you're after.

As as for the 2013 vegas I can't help there never flown one sorry.

wishy
WA, 1196 posts
13 Aug 2017 8:42AM
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Was the 16.5m with boots? I feel like they help me to hold down an extra 5 knots, but my boots board (Tona) doesn't have a very sharp edge on it which I feel lets me down when going for truly crunk airs.

Matt988
WA, 138 posts
13 Aug 2017 11:56AM
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wishy said..
Was the 16.5m with boots? I feel like they help me to hold down an extra 5 knots, but my boots board (Tona) doesn't have a very sharp edge on it which I feel lets me down when going for truly crunk airs.


Yeah a 139 gambler board with boots I use. Easily hold more wind with boots. I haven't used straps for boosting in nearly 2 years.



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