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Created by Ozone Kites Aus Two weeks ago, 5 Jul 2019
Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 788 posts
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5 Jul 2019 12:57PM
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Have a read of this article on sunscreen, and BS we have all been fed for the last 20 years. Thoughts?

www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science?fbclid=IwAR0qitYQq2p6QIqzlMMUgBHqRHsofQRLVaYqNgS-OvEvzPMfya7k4SoOXDo

Underoath
QLD, 2351 posts
5 Jul 2019 1:10PM
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You don't need a lot of sun exposure to receive the benefits of vitamin D

For most people, adequate vitamin D levels are reached through regular incidental exposure to the sun. When the UV Index is 3 or above (such as during summer), most people maintain adequate vitamin D levels just by spending a few minutes outdoors on most days of the week.

www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/sun-protection/vitamin-d/


Given the hours we all spend on the water getting smashed by UV light. Ill continue to cover up with a long sleeve rashie and sun cream.

psychojoe
WA, 464 posts
5 Jul 2019 2:00PM
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A great read.
Thanks for sharing

warwickl
NSW, 1165 posts
5 Jul 2019 4:17PM
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Underoath said..
You don't need a lot of sun exposure to receive the benefits of vitamin D

For most people, adequate vitamin D levels are reached through regular incidental exposure to the sun. When the UV Index is 3 or above (such as during summer), most people maintain adequate vitamin D levels just by spending a few minutes outdoors on most days of the week.

www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/sun-protection/vitamin-d/


Given the hours we all spend on the water getting smashed by UV light. Ill continue to cover up with a long sleeve rashie and sun cream.




Almost correct. As one ages the rate of effective absorption decreases and as such so does calcium for bones.
Good communication with your GP could help maintain bone density.
I found out the hard way with reduced bone density and 2 fractures in my foot.
I now take D & Calcium supplements
Update:
Just had a melanoma removed from my arm today.
I was one of the younger generation who did not wear protection and frequently got burnt.

causehecan
233 posts
5 Jul 2019 4:05PM
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2/3 qlders get skin cancer...

You want me to stop putting sunscreen on because some boffin in a country famous for having 1 week of sunlight says so?

Had some scientists i fly with in europe tell me sunscreen just muddles up with your dead skin cells to protect you from the sun. Like thats it... Makes a weird cakey mix batter over your skin they get fried leaving your skin underneath not fried.... I couldnt find anything that said exactly how it works. Were they right?

GMK-KiteSurf
NSW, 103 posts
5 Jul 2019 10:32PM
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I Totally agree with the article. We get so brain washed by Big Pharma, Vitamin and Supplement companies, who only want our money. You can't explain away the science of the studies, nor the sheer size of the test populations involved.

causehecan
233 posts
6 Jul 2019 7:50AM
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Just reread the article.

Ill still be covering up and wearing sunscreen cause i literally live outside.

But it was interesting point how the african americans were suffering from highet blood pressure etc cause theyre skin doesnt allow them to absorb as much... So really they should be outdoors pretty much living as theyre ancesters did and us whiteys should be indoors and in the snow like our ancesters were aswell. Makes sense we all evolved to fit our habitats but now were a bit of everywhere and our bodys are still adjusting to it.

Crazy how far weve come in just a thousand years or whatever. Even 500

Kamikuza
QLD, 4054 posts
6 Jul 2019 10:15AM
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causehecan said..
2/3 qlders get skin cancer...

You want me to stop putting sunscreen on because some boffin in a country famous for having 1 week of sunlight says so?

Had some scientists i fly with in europe tell me sunscreen just muddles up with your dead skin cells to protect you from the sun. Like thats it... Makes a weird cakey mix batter over your skin they get fried leaving your skin underneath not fried.... I couldnt find anything that said exactly how it works. Were they right?


Whaddya mean you couldn't find anything that said how it works?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunscreen with attention to "active ingredients".

Ozone Kites Aus
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6 Jul 2019 11:29AM
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causehecan said..
Just reread the article.

Ill still be covering up and wearing sunscreen cause i literally live outside.

But it was interesting point how the african americans were suffering from highet blood pressure etc cause theyre skin doesnt allow them to absorb as much... So really they should be outdoors pretty much living as theyre ancesters did and us whiteys should be indoors and in the snow like our ancesters were aswell. Makes sense we all evolved to fit our habitats but now were a bit of everywhere and our bodys are still adjusting to it.

Crazy how far weve come in just a thousand years or whatever. Even 500


Or how much we have degraded this planet in the last 200 years, and particularly since the invention of plastics in my lifetime (I'm 63). My dad was an industrial chemist and involved in the testing and production of the first plastics in Australia. I remember going to the beach in summer and getting fried, there were no sunscreens back then and we just never knew about skin cancer and UV radiation or covering up. Also remember going to the beach and not seeing any plastic rubbish. Now my local beach (Lennox) is covered in microplastic particles and lots of larger bits too. The local freshwater lake is frequently closed over summer due to toxic algal blooms caused by a sunscreen layer sitting on the surface of the water that is so thick you can see it. My sup has a permanent stain from it.
Sunscreen is just another marketing scam, cover up if you have fair skin, avoid sunscreen, its not actually good for us or our environment.

There have been so many marketing scams that have turned out to be absolute bunk, like the margerine vs butter, or hemp vs synthetic fibres, or any of the hundreds, possibly thousands of other marketing scams perpetrated on us by vested big corp interests.

2stubborn2quit
WA, 119 posts
6 Jul 2019 11:25AM
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Some points are quite valid in this debate. Especially the bit about it is much better to cover up than wear sunscreen.
But seriously if you are white, enjoy the outdoors and live in Australia, don't be a feckin dick.... apply sunscreen on exposed skin.
This is coming from a guy who like many carries lots of little scars from various spot removals over the years.

bjw
NSW, 2694 posts
6 Jul 2019 1:54PM
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At the end of the day, if I kite without sunscreen, I get burnt. That isn't good and hurts.

Buy mineral sunscreen. Zinc Based.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4054 posts
6 Jul 2019 2:15PM
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Err, sunscreen was invented mid-thirties! I have photos of me as a baby with zinc on my nose and remember putting on sun cream as a kid and paying the price when I didn't.

causehecan
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6 Jul 2019 1:02PM
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Err, sunscreen was invented mid-thirties! I have photos of me as a baby with zinc on my nose and remember putting on sun cream as a kid and paying the price when I didn't.


I also have fond memorys of you as a kid. You would always roll around unable to stop because of your ball like shape and gravity hu haaah! So much has changed!

Hay steve i met an old hippy at one of the gatherings who was making grass hats. I commented how on the ferrys to the islands they would make grasshoppers home boy made a grasshopper and revealed he use to actually do that for his job. He quit cause he felt responsible for killing the reef and he always said it was cause to much sunscreen. I thought this was a analogy or something as in it was too mang tourists and they were killing the reef by trampleing the coral etc. I didnt realise he literally ment the sunscreen.

To clean your sup just use a magic eraser/sponge

Adam''KiteRepair
NSW, 90 posts
6 Jul 2019 6:34PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..
Have a read of this article on sunscreen, and BS we have all been fed for the last 20 years. Thoughts?

www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science?fbclid=IwAR0qitYQq2p6QIqzlMMUgBHqRHsofQRLVaYqNgS-OvEvzPMfya7k4SoOXDo


Skip to the end. Most of this article which us well written, applies to different coy tries and it's policies. Skip to the end and find your answer to healthy sun living. Ideas passed by a medical group who are driven by health and knowledge. Not money and greed produced by insurers

Kamikuza
QLD, 4054 posts
6 Jul 2019 8:09PM
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Adam''KiteRepair said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..
Have a read of this article on sunscreen, and BS we have all been fed for the last 20 years. Thoughts?

www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science?fbclid=IwAR0qitYQq2p6QIqzlMMUgBHqRHsofQRLVaYqNgS-OvEvzPMfya7k4SoOXDo



Skip to the end. Most of this article which us well written, applies to different coy tries and it's policies. Skip to the end and find your answer to healthy sun living. Ideas passed by a medical group who are driven by health and knowledge. Not money and greed produced by insurers


Funny, I was wondering if the author was actually an oncologist...

Ozone Kites Aus
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7 Jul 2019 9:12AM
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Kamikuza said..
Err, sunscreen was invented mid-thirties! I have photos of me as a baby with zinc on my nose and remember putting on sun cream as a kid and paying the price when I didn't.



Err, invented yes, readily available and affordable for a family with 8 kids - no.

Here is a brief history taken from this article www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/fashion/24skinside.html, UV filters were not added until the 70's, before that it was an oily waxy cream that supposedly helped one to go brown.

1938 A Swiss chemistry student named Franz Greiter suffers sunburn while climbing Mount Piz Buin on the Swiss-Austrian border and sets out to invent an effective sunscreen.
1944 Benjamin Green, an airman and pharmacist, uses a greasy substance called "red vet pet" (red veterinary petrolatum) to protect himself and other soldiers from ultraviolet rays during World War II. Heavy and unpleasant, it works primarily as a physical barrier between the skin and the sun.
1940S After the war, Mr. Green mixes red vet pet, cocoa butter and coconut oil into a product that would eventually become Coppertone suntan cream.
1946 Mr. Greiter's product, called Gletscher Cr?me (Glacier Cream), comes to market under the brand Piz Buin, which is still sold today. 1956 The familiar Coppertone Girl was drawn by an illustrator named Joyce Ballantyne. She used her 3-year-old daughter, Cheri, as the model.
1970S Piz Buin introduces sunscreens with ultraviolet A and ultraviolet B filters.
1978 The Food and Drug Administration proposes to regulate sunscreens, recommending standards for safety and effectiveness. These guidelines - some parts of which never took full effect - mostly dealt with establishing SPF testing and labeling. However, the official document did state, "In the long run, suntanning is not good for the skin."
1988 The F.D.A. approves a sunscreen product containing avobenzone, a UVA-only filter. The other approved filters until then were UVB ones that had incidental UVA protection.
1997 The F.D.A. allows sunscreen makers to market the fact that their products contain avobenzone for UVA protection.
2006 The F.D.A. misses a deadline set by Congress to approve proposed guidelines for sunscreens.
2007 The F.D.A. finalizes its proposed rules on UVA testing and labeling and starts accepting comments on the proposals.
2010 The F.D.A. is expected to approve the 2007 guidelines, but the target date is pushed back yet again, most recently to October from May.

2stubborn2quit
WA, 119 posts
7 Jul 2019 9:57AM
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Ozone Kites Aus said:
Err, invented yes, readily available and affordable for a family with 8 kids - no.

To a family with a normal income throughout our whole history...... Nothing is affordable for a family with 8 kids..... not even birth control apparently.
Not criticizing just pointing out something that is obvious.

Ozone Kites Aus
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7 Jul 2019 1:29PM
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2stubborn2quit said..
Ozone Kites Aus said:
Err, invented yes, readily available and affordable for a family with 8 kids - no.

To a family with a normal income throughout our whole history...... Nothing is affordable for a family with 8 kids..... not even birth control apparently.
Not criticizing just pointing out something that is obvious.


Ha! It was a serious issue where we lived, the neighbours had 10, there was a family a few doors away that had 12 and another a few blocks up the road with 8 too!!
But my point was that UV blocking sunscreen was just not available as I grew up, there were oils that helped people "tan" but they did not stop you from burning.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4054 posts
7 Jul 2019 1:30PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..



Kamikuza said..
Err, sunscreen was invented mid-thirties! I have photos of me as a baby with zinc on my nose and remember putting on sun cream as a kid and paying the price when I didn't.






Err, invented yes, readily available and affordable for a family with 8 kids - no.

Here is a brief history taken from this article www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/fashion/24skinside.html, UV filters were not added until the 70's, before that it was an oily waxy cream that supposedly helped one to go brown.

1938 A Swiss chemistry student named Franz Greiter suffers sunburn while climbing Mount Piz Buin on the Swiss-Austrian border and sets out to invent an effective sunscreen.
1944 Benjamin Green, an airman and pharmacist, uses a greasy substance called "red vet pet" (red veterinary petrolatum) to protect himself and other soldiers from ultraviolet rays during World War II. Heavy and unpleasant, it works primarily as a physical barrier between the skin and the sun.
1940S After the war, Mr. Green mixes red vet pet, cocoa butter and coconut oil into a product that would eventually become Coppertone suntan cream.
1946 Mr. Greiter's product, called Gletscher Cr?me (Glacier Cream), comes to market under the brand Piz Buin, which is still sold today. 1956 The familiar Coppertone Girl was drawn by an illustrator named Joyce Ballantyne. She used her 3-year-old daughter, Cheri, as the model.
1970S Piz Buin introduces sunscreens with ultraviolet A and ultraviolet B filters.
1978 The Food and Drug Administration proposes to regulate sunscreens, recommending standards for safety and effectiveness. These guidelines - some parts of which never took full effect - mostly dealt with establishing SPF testing and labeling. However, the official document did state, "In the long run, suntanning is not good for the skin."
1988 The F.D.A. approves a sunscreen product containing avobenzone, a UVA-only filter. The other approved filters until then were UVB ones that had incidental UVA protection.
1997 The F.D.A. allows sunscreen makers to market the fact that their products contain avobenzone for UVA protection.
2006 The F.D.A. misses a deadline set by Congress to approve proposed guidelines for sunscreens.
2007 The F.D.A. finalizes its proposed rules on UVA testing and labeling and starts accepting comments on the proposals.
2010 The F.D.A. is expected to approve the 2007 guidelines, but the target date is pushed back yet again, most recently to October from May.




Cool, thanks for the Wikidump.

Doesn't matter though it's all BS right? Not actually good for us and all...

How much did it cost, by the way...

Adam''KiteRepair
NSW, 90 posts
8 Jul 2019 2:10PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..

2stubborn2quit said..
Ozone Kites Aus said:
Err, invented yes, readily available and affordable for a family with 8 kids - no.

To a family with a normal income throughout our whole history...... Nothing is affordable for a family with 8 kids..... not even birth control apparently.
Not criticizing just pointing out something that is obvious.



Ha! It was a serious issue where we lived, the neighbours had 10, there was a family a few doors away that had 12 and another a few blocks up the road with 8 too!!
But my point was that UV blocking sunscreen was just not available as I grew up, there were oils that helped people "tan" but they did not stop you from burning.


Dr Karl talks about all of this a bit. He mainly says that we mostly get the sun we need during normal activity, but if planning to be out in Sun for extended time, cover up. He also has mentioned several cases of parents being overly cautious to the point their child had vitamin d deficiency. So all in all I feel like Aus Department of health have it right, which is a far dialed back version of what the US implements and this article was largely based on

causehecan
233 posts
8 Jul 2019 1:03PM
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Im happy to blindly follow dr karl anywhere hes a legend.

eppo
WA, 7084 posts
9 Jul 2019 4:51PM
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I still sing this brain washing song and my son gives me that usual dismissive look ...

cauncy
WA, 7309 posts
10 Jul 2019 9:44PM
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Fark it buy a wind wing
youll try and hide your identity on and off the water



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