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To sand or not to sand when helping people land

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Created by Eezee Tuesday, 16 Apr 2019
Eezee
3 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:31PM
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Wind got a bit strong last weekend at Inverloch so I nominated myself beach caddy to help land the 15 or so people who were just trying to get in before it picked up anymore.
I was wondering what the etiquette was regarding to securing someone else's kite in stronger winds.

FormulaNova
NSW, 8343 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 10:49PM
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I'm only new to it myself, but I look at the person landing it and if they seem not to care, I let them secure their own kite. As long as it seems stable that is.

Similarly when someone lands a kite for me, I drop the bar and lines, secure the kite first, whether its with sand or just making sure its in the right direction. I figure that it's my responsibility, but I guess there will be someone that assumes you are psychic and know what they want you to do.

Is there an established etiquette?

To show you how much of a kook I am, last time I took some $6 Kmart pillow slips to the beach, filled them with sand and used them. Heaps easier, and no sand.

2stubborn2quit
WA, 104 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:55PM
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Sounds to me like you were doing everyone a favour. Buddy if you feel a bit of sand makes their kite secure then do it.
If anyone is brainless and thankless enough that you put a little sand on their kite then shake the sand off and let go of the kite
After all they are landing it on sand.

cauncy
WA, 7044 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 9:04PM
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Become a Kite launcher, we don't land kites

Gorgo
VIC, 4134 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 7:48AM
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In normal conditions just flip the kite over and leave it.

In stronger conditions hold the kite and wait for the rider to come and take it from you. They should come straight over and take it and exchange brief words of thanks and friendly chat.

If they're dicking around then sand it and get on with what you were doing.

dafish
NSW, 1339 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 8:02AM
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Exactly what Gorgo said....

eppo
WA, 6915 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 6:07AM
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Exactly what dafish said what gorgo said.

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1348 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 9:32AM
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Exactly what Eppo said that dafish said what gorgo said.

psychojoe
WA, 442 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 10:26AM
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Sand it!
Everytime!
If they don't like sand they can go back to Curling

Plummet
4388 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 11:16AM
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Yeah, I have about 20-30 seconds of tolerance max! If the dude is stuffing around I flip and sand. Or walk up to the guy and hand him the kite.

airsail
QLD, 316 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 4:18PM
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But what if there is no sand? We land on grass.
Over the years if the wind is strong we wait until the kiter gets to the kite, we have no other option.

Chris_M
1731 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 3:08PM
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airsail said..
But what if there is no sand? We land on grass.
Over the years if the wind is strong we wait until the kiter gets to the kite, we have no other option.


Clod of dirt

simon78
21 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 3:25PM
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If I land someone your getting sand.

I think you would have self landed if you didn't want sand on your kite.

exal
31 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 4:23PM
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Plummet said..
Yeah, I have about 20-30 seconds of tolerance max! If the dude is stuffing around I flip and sand. Or walk up to the guy and hand him the kite.


Someone actually did that to me when I was still learning. He landed the kite but didn't wait for anything, just flipped it over and walked to me and gave me the kite Was around late october last year in sandy bay, Plummet do you fly Slingshot?? Was it you? Hahahaha

In cape town I helped a lot of people land/start and did what gorgo said. I land the kite and hold on the middle strut and look at the person and they either come to me fast and put their board on it or gesture to put sand on it. On days with 30 to 40 knots I just put shtloads of sand on it without waiting since kneeing down and holding the kite would mean to get sandblasted like crazy, no thanks

Plummet
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Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 5:09PM
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exal said..

Plummet said..
Yeah, I have about 20-30 seconds of tolerance max! If the dude is stuffing around I flip and sand. Or walk up to the guy and hand him the kite.



Someone actually did that to me when I was still learning. He landed the kite but didn't wait for anything, just flipped it over and walked to me and gave me the kite Was around late october last year in sandy bay, Plummet do you fly Slingshot?? Was it you? Hahahaha

In cape town I helped a lot of people land/start and did what gorgo said. I land the kite and hold on the middle strut and look at the person and they either come to me fast and put their board on it or gesture to put sand on it. On days with 30 to 40 knots I just put shtloads of sand on it without waiting since kneeing down and holding the kite would mean to get sandblasted like crazy, no thanks

Nope wasn't me. I'm in NZ.

I think it's arrogant for someone else to assume I have time to wait for his fluffery.

Inversely, when someone lands me I jog up to the guy as soon as there Is slack lines and take my kite.

KIT33R
NSW, 1644 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 7:59PM
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I kick a bit of sand on, wave and walk away.

djt91184
QLD, 1205 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 9:23PM
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When the kite is within arms reach I pull put my machete and slice and dice like a iron chef till theres only confetti blowing in the wind

eppo
WA, 6915 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 9:22PM
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... and then you get the guy that slams it into the ground ...

theDoctor
NSW, 4712 posts
Wednesday , 18 Apr 2019 12:13AM
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I flip the kite onto the ground
Then I piss on it
When the kiter comes up to have a go, I punch them in the throat then kick then in the nuts, then throw their car keys into the ocean..
Unless they're bigger than me..
Then I just hold the kite and ask what the kiter would like me to do

RAL INN
VIC, 2673 posts
Thursday , 18 Apr 2019 6:40AM
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Catch flip foot on leading edge.
if owner dicks around walk away.
next time that owner might not dick around.
if you are landing your kite the etiquette is don't think the person catching your kite has any time to waste and will let go at any time with nil responsibility. It's your ticking time bomb to defuse.
Also the moment they catch leading edge you should de-Tension your lines and take all load off kite. Don't expect catcher to hold on to your powered beast, and wrestle it to ground.

listery
QLD, 5 posts
Thursday , 18 Apr 2019 8:56AM
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theDoctor said..

I flip the kite onto the ground
Then I piss on it
When the kiter comes up to have a go, I punch them in the throat then kick then in the nuts, then throw their car keys into the ocean..
Unless they're bigger than me..
Then I just hold the kite and ask what the kiter would like me to do


Nice one Doc! That's what I should have done when I was yelled at for sanding!

Plummet
4388 posts
Friday , 19 Apr 2019 2:23AM
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theDoctor said..

I flip the kite onto the ground
Then I piss on it





Back in the day I was on the beach and needed to take a piss and it was blowing 30-40 knots.
I remembered the sage advice from my old man. He said. "Son, Never piss into the wind"
I took that advice and faced downwind and started to piss.
Then as I was pissing I felt rain spitting on my face, I looked around for a cloud and couldn't see one.
"That's odd" I thought to myself as I scanned the sky for a source of the rain
Then it dawned on me. My body was creating an eddying effect for the wind and circulating my own piss back onto my face.
Yep, I was pissing on my on face.

Behold I learned a second part of information that I could pass onto my son.
"Son, never piss into the wind! also when it is very windy do not piss directly downwind either!"

After some non statistically significant scientific testing on urination angles I, discovered that the best angle to urinate in high wind was broadreach, 45 Degree down wind.

My advice to you Doctor, if you are urinating on someones kite in highwind. Urinate at a 45 degree broachreach angle!

Kraut
VIC, 474 posts
Friday , 19 Apr 2019 7:49PM
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Plummet said..


theDoctor said..

I flip the kite onto the ground
Then I piss on it







Back in the day I was on the beach and needed to take a piss and it was blowing 30-40 knots.
I remembered the sage advice from my old man. He said. "Son, Never piss into the wind"
I took that advice and faced downwind and started to piss.
Then as I was pissing I felt rain spitting on my face, I looked around for a cloud and couldn't see one.
"That's odd" I thought to myself as I scanned the sky for a source of the rain
Then it dawned on me. My body was creating an eddying effect for the wind and circulating my own piss back onto my face.
Yep, I was pissing on my on face.

Behold I learned a second part of information that I could pass onto my son.
"Son, never piss into the wind! also when it is very windy do not piss directly downwind either!"

After some non statistically significant scientific testing on urination angles I, discovered that the best angle to urinate in high wind was broadreach, 45 Degree down wind.

My advice to you Doctor, if you are urinating on someones kite in highwind. Urinate at a 45 degree broachreach angle!



Thanks Plummet. Perhaps the first useful post I've seen from anyone in like weeks or even months.

Happy2kite
QLD, 11 posts
Saturday , 20 Apr 2019 12:24PM
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Legend you did the right thing we have all been kite caddy at some stage. hope you got a lot of crew saying thank you. Grab the kite and sand it well if it's nuking. Otherwise self landing is a technique that you have to learn. Not rely on other kiters. If the kiter doesn't walk up to slacken the lines as plummet explained. So the kite isn't powered. Walk towards him until lines are slack flip it and sand the **** out of it. If he has a problem with it explain in simplified terms for dummies so they get an idea. But when in doubt always sand. If he has anything to say but thank you. Tell him to educate himself and Google how to self land there are 100s of videos out there simple. Bet half of them were waiting for someone to land so they could come in and automatically assume that you will land there kites. This type of trickery is widespread lmfao. Personally I never let anyone land or launch my kite. Just my prerogative



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