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Created by Kitepower Australia > 9 months ago, 9 May 2014
9 May 2014 10:44PM
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Kitegrandad
23 posts
10 May 2014 9:04AM
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Nice graphics but it appears like the 2013 and 2014 are the same design with little if any enhancements other then the new D2 panel material. I've had issues with micro cuts in the leading edge: like a surgical knife cut the LE about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. our repair person thinks the material is to brittle and under extreme pressure 9 PSI it takes very little to scuff the LE and cause a small slice in the Dacron. I have 4 friends all riding and loving Edge's who have experienced this same problem on 2013 Edge

Nothing is perfect but we should strive for Excellance. The Edge is my all time favorite kite and I don't have any interest to try North's but It would be nice if Ozone tried a few different LE materials striving for Excellance.

Drury
NSW, 502 posts
10 May 2014 12:11PM
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Kitegrandad said..

Nice graphics but it appears like the 2013 and 2014 are the same design with little if any enhancements other then the new D2 panel material. I've had issues with micro cuts in the leading edge: like a surgical knife cut the LE about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. our repair person thinks the material is to brittle and under extreme pressure 9 PSI it takes very little to scuff the LE and cause a small slice in the Dacron. I have 4 friends all riding and loving Edge's who have experienced this same problem on 2013 Edge

Nothing is perfect but we should strive for Excellance. The Edge is my all time favorite kite and I don't have any interest to try North's but It would be nice if Ozone tried a few different LE materials striving for Excellance.


The LE material is new as well. Much excellEnce. Many improves. So perform. Wow.

Puetz
NT, 2097 posts
10 May 2014 6:19PM
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Kitegrandad said..



Nice graphics but it appears like the 2013 and 2014 are the same design with little if any enhancements other then the new D2 panel material. I've had issues with micro cuts in the leading edge: like a surgical knife cut the LE about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. our repair person thinks the material is to brittle and under extreme pressure 9 PSI it takes very little to scuff the LE and cause a small slice in the Dacron. I have 4 friends all riding and loving Edge's who have experienced this same problem on 2013 Edge



Nothing is perfect but we should strive for Excellance. The Edge is my all time favorite kite and I don't have any interest to try North's but It would be nice if Ozone tried a few different LE materials striving for Excellance.


The LE material is new as well. Much excellEnce. Many improves. So perform. Wow.


... just wondering, how do you know this?

cauncy
WA, 7051 posts
10 May 2014 7:49PM
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My dealer said only a decent racer would notice the micro changes to the 2013, I reckon the 8 will be the standout size for free riders and big boosters in the range

Kitegrandad
23 posts
11 May 2014 5:20AM
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To Puetz: I found a microscopic 1/3 of an inch cut in my 10M Edge 3 weeks ago while rolling up my kite at the end of a session. No idea how it happened but the cut looked like it was done by a razor blade. Another kiting buddy has experienced the exact same thing with his 11m Edge 3 times on the LE which made him switch back to Cabrinha's. The Edge is a unique kite with a number of qualities that other kites don't seem to be able to match: Bar Pressure, Amazing stability, Great Aacceleration and jumping is off the charts. So, the LE issue is the price we have to pay or return to more durable kites and get sore elbows And give up on the other great attributes of the Edge.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
11 May 2014 6:29AM
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SORRY.....need to read more closely. I think it's only the Panel material getting an update to Technoforce D2 but we will know for sure as the kites hit the dealerships.

11 May 2014 10:22AM
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SORRY.....need to read more closely. I think it's only the Panel material getting an update to Technoforce D2 but we will know for sure as the kites hit the dealerships.


The leading edge material is a completely different brand, and is the same brand as the D2 cloth, as far as I know there are no other kites being made with Teijin leading edge dacron.
All other brands use the Dimension Polyant cloth use on all Ozone kites up until now, or they use a copy of this cloth made in China by Cousins, or in Cabrinha's case they use a custom made leading edge material.

There is no difference between the dacon used on current Edges, C4's Cats and Reo's, and I'm not hearing about cuts that appear for no reason. No offence meant, but if a cut appears, that you have previously not noticed, it did not just happen by itself, it was definitely not caused by inflation pressure, but it most certainly was caused by something your kite scraped over or against, that you simply did not see. I'd suggest that it could have happened in the last session or even several sessions ago. The Dimension Polyant dacron is very strong and tough, but the new Teijin dacron is better and thats why Ozone are changing its part of their Kaizen philosophy, always improving.

The Edge itself is different, it is a new design, but based on the existing overall platform. There are real differences that regular Edge riders will feel, more stability, better upwind, better boosting increased durability and longevity.

I don't know where some of the comments are coming from as the kites only just started shipping, we will have our first batch next week.

shane75
QLD, 209 posts
13 May 2014 8:27PM
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Kitegrandad said...
To Puetz: I found a microscopic 1/3 of an inch cut in my 10M Edge 3 weeks ago while rolling up my kite at the end of a session. No idea how it happened but the cut looked like it was done by a razor blade. Another kiting buddy has experienced the exact same thing with his 11m Edge 3 times on the LE which made him switch back to Cabrinha's. The Edge is a unique kite with a number of qualities that other kites don't seem to be able to match: Bar Pressure, Amazing stability, Great Aacceleration and jumping is off the charts. So, the LE issue is the price we have to pay or return to more durable kites and get sore elbows And give up on the other great attributes of the Edge.


Pictures of the cut and location please.

dusta
WA, 2899 posts
14 May 2014 12:27AM
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To Puetz: I found a microscopic 1/3 of an inch cut in my 10M Edge 3 weeks ago while rolling up my kite at the end of a session. No idea how it happened but the cut looked like it was done by a razor blade. Another kiting buddy has experienced the exact same thing with his 11m Edge 3 times on the LE which made him switch back to Cabrinha's. The Edge is a unique kite with a number of qualities that other kites don't seem to be able to match: Bar Pressure, Amazing stability, Great Aacceleration and jumping is off the charts. So, the LE issue is the price we have to pay or return to more durable kites and get sore elbows And give up on the other great attributes of the Edge.


load of crap . I have had bladders fail but that was due to a pump putting moist salty air into the bladder and then pinholes from the inside. Couple of small tears but they were user . one was a sharp racing fin going through the kite :|

i see no issues with 2013 edge durability

Kitegrandad
23 posts
14 May 2014 9:13AM
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I will take a photo of the cut on the 10M Edge: now repaired which will be seen in the photo.

Gilly3
QLD, 726 posts
16 May 2014 8:25AM
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2 days and still no photo???

I'm calling bs too

My 2013 edge is fine and it has been copping a beating........

Can't wait to demo the new one!

Kitegrandad
23 posts
18 May 2014 5:57AM
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Okay, finally rolled out my 2013 Edge 10M to show the tear repair on the LE. The location of the tear is where the brush is pointing; best I could do for a pointer
My friend has the exact same tear on his 15M Edge only closer to the center strut. I'm not trying to bash Ozone, I love the kites, but at my age I have not reason to BS anyone.
Also, know of 2 other local Ozone kiters who had their LE explode both off of a seam - one as it was caught, above the beach, while landing. **** happens but I can't believe Ozone is not aware of product issues like this, Maybe the new 2014 material on the LE and panels are in response to these issues.







Plummet
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18 May 2014 6:22AM
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Okay, finally rolled out my 2013 Edge 10M to show the tear repair on the LE. The location of the tear is where the brush is pointing; best I could do for a pointer
My friend has the exact same tear on his 15M Edge only closer to the center strut. I'm not trying to bash Ozone, I love the kites, but at my age I have not reason to BS anyone.
Also, know of 2 other local Ozone kiters who had their LE explode both off of a seam - one as it was caught, above the beach, while landing. **** happens but I can't believe Ozone is not aware of product issues like this, Maybe the new 2014 material on the LE and panels are in response to these issues.










That looks like an external cut to me.

I would inspect your launch/land spot man. If several others have had the same looking cut It may be a something at your local causing it.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
18 May 2014 6:35AM
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Thanks, we are being overly cautious these days launching and landing but it would be a relief to find out the cause.

tomasb
62 posts
18 May 2014 11:41AM
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Kitegrandad said...
Thanks, we are being overly cautious these days launching and landing but it would be a relief to find out the cause.


Irrefutable comment there from the plum man who kites regularly at your beach. He kindly re posted your photos in case people didn't know what he was referring to. He also knows your weight to the nearest ounce and what colour your wetsuit was on the day.

Now all you need is eppo's input and the mystery will be solved beyond any reasonable doubt.

18 May 2014 2:50PM
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Kitegrandad said...
Okay, finally rolled out my 2013 Edge 10M to show the tear repair on the LE. The location of the tear is where the brush is pointing; best I could do for a pointer
My friend has the exact same tear on his 15M Edge only closer to the center strut. I'm not trying to bash Ozone, I love the kites, but at my age I have not reason to BS anyone.
Also, know of 2 other local Ozone kiters who had their LE explode both off of a seam - one as it was caught, above the beach, while landing. **** happens but I can't believe Ozone is not aware of product issues like this, Maybe the new 2014 material on the LE and panels are in response to these issues.


The cut was definitely caused by something that your kite landed on or during a sliding type self launch, I think you would agree yeah?
What that something is might be a mystery, but a bit of shell could easily do it (or glass, can, etc)
Anyway, this material, Dimension Polyant fuse bonded dacron, made in Germany was regarded as the best you could get, best in terms of shear strength and abrasion resistance, and I don't see issues with in a general sense. Many other brands use it too. There is a cheap china made copy of the material but its quite easy to spot, especially as the kite ages, the copy stuff gets softer much more quickly, and its just not as strong top start with.
The new Teijin leading edge dacron must be better otherwise Ozone would not choose to switch to it. My first 2014 Edges arrive next week, I'll try to post some pics to show the difference then.
Regardless, all these LE cloths are strong up until they come in to contact with something sharp, and if something on you local beach was sharp enough to slice your 2013 Edge like that, I reckon it would slice any brand of leading edge cloth.
Easy fix, though, even if the bladder was nicked, we just pull the bladder out the centre opening and patch with tear aid, good as new in a moment.

The cut was in a place that we see a lot of damage to kites of various brands, we do around 1000+ repairs a year, the location screams crash on beach or an unintended harder than expected self landing. Not really in the right place for self launch damage (but anything is possible in my experience).

cauncy
WA, 7051 posts
18 May 2014 6:57PM
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Another case of the private people of seabreeze, make yourself anominose then you can talk **** and bag the **** out of anyone you please without the fear of a good slap,

Plummet
4393 posts
18 May 2014 7:17PM
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cauncy said...
Another case of the private people of seabreeze, make yourself anominose then you can talk **** and bag the **** out of anyone you please without the fear of a good slap,


Yep. It is interesting that some of the biggest farktards on the forum have a low post count. Have they come on here and instantly been offended at some of the more frequent posters? I think knot. They are most likely some longtime members alterarrsewhole ego's.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
19 May 2014 3:14AM
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KitePower - it would be helpful to get a review on the new Edge and what they have changed on LE and Panel materials. I guess the answer is launch and land with care or expect some LE damage ??

pgh
21 posts
19 May 2014 6:04AM
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I self launch and land all the time with my edges and i will agree that they aren't the most beefed up kites for doing so.

i have just used some stick on dacron tape to cover the stitched seams on the LE which were showing roughing up of a few stitches.

on the 2013 edges the first 4 seams from the tips have bumpers sewn on ...the next 4 and the centre seam dont have any protection which is a shame....would be great if ozone could/would just "bumper" up all the LE seams.

I set my kite up at the edge of the window and then get it to fill and roll over and take off...i'd say i get about a 75% success rate doing this but the other 25% the kite does drag a little into the window and then fills and rolls over...i think this is where the stitching gets rubbed.

great kites though

Phezulu1
WA, 59 posts
19 May 2014 8:44AM
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Kite Schmite...When is Ozone bringing out the hydrofoil in the video?




19 May 2014 4:24PM
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pgh said...
I self launch and land all the time with my edges and i will agree that they aren't the most beefed up kites for doing so.

i have just used some stick on dacron tape to cover the stitched seams on the LE which were showing roughing up of a few stitches.

on the 2013 edges the first 4 seams from the tips have bumpers sewn on ...the next 4 and the centre seam dont have any protection which is a shame....would be great if ozone could/would just "bumper" up all the LE seams.

I set my kite up at the edge of the window and then get it to fill and roll over and take off...i'd say i get about a 75% success rate doing this but the other 25% the kite does drag a little into the window and then fills and rolls over...i think this is where the stitching gets rubbed.

great kites though


Try moving upwind of your kite more when you are self launching so that the kite will be in a position that most would describe as "hot" or back from the edge of the window is another way of putting it. This way the kite will simply roll (quickly) and as soon as its leading edge is pointing upwards and toward approx 9-10 o'clock let go of the bar or at least push it out. This way the kite launches with minimal power and will barely pull you, but more importantly for the sake of longevity of your kite, it will not slide along the sand.
I've always said if your kite slides, you are doing it wrong. People who call it slide launching are doing it wrong and destroying their kites.



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