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North Click Bar - anyone have problems when let safety go?

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Created by Relaunch A week ago, 14 Jul 2017
Relaunch
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14 Jul 2017 8:16PM
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I've used the North click bar on and off for about 6 months now & it mostly seems fine for launching & landing, however a few times when it's been >25 knots and I've had to let the safety go on the water to come in, I've noticed my smaller kites don't always seem to flag out properly & even flap about & leave the water, even if I've got the leading edge around. It might be an Evo/Dice thing but it doesn't seem to happen so much if I use my 5 line bar. It did happen occasionally with my old 4 line but seems to happen more with the click bar.
Just wondered if anyone had noticed this and/or has any tips?

Smithy
VIC, 755 posts
Saturday , 15 Jul 2017 9:46AM
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Relaunch said..
I've used the North click bar on and off for about 6 months now & it mostly seems fine for launching & landing, however a few times when it's been >25 knots and I've had to let the safety go on the water to come in, I've noticed my smaller kites don't always seem to flag out properly & even flap about & leave the water, even if I've got the leading edge around. It might be an Evo/Dice thing but it doesn't seem to happen so much if I use my 5 line bar. It did happen occasionally with my old 4 line but seems to happen more with the click bar.
Just wondered if anyone had noticed this and/or has any tips?


Are they North Kites or kites that are designed to match the bars safety system?

Saturday , 15 Jul 2017 12:33PM
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Hi Relaunch,

The Clickbar is designed to flag to a single FRONT line. The 5th line kites flag to the centre line attachment point. I'm guessing the older quad bar you are using was the twin front line flagging system, otherwise known as the "Virtual 5th". No one really does the "Virtual 5th" anymore because if the kite flops and rolls tangling the front lines around the kite it could possibly power the kite up with the bar being released from the chickenloop with no way to get it under control.

The 4-line, single front line flagging system can actually allow the kite to flip about and not stay put, because of the one sided bias of the connection. It is however safer, if you take the older scenario into account so despite the slight hassle, it is a better system.

Hope this answers your question.

DM

weebitbreezy
250 posts
Monday , 17 Jul 2017 4:39PM
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One of the north reps on the other forum mentioned needing to give the 5th line a yank in high wind conditions if the kite hadn't flagged fully. He was talking about the Rebels but same thing should apply. Apparently that's what the handle on the bottom of the 5th line is all about.

Assuming your kites are newer than 2011, ride it as a 4 line kite instead?

CJ2478
NSW, 185 posts
Tuesday , 18 Jul 2017 9:06AM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Hi Relaunch,

The Clickbar is designed to flag to a single FRONT line. The 5th line kites flag to the centre line attachment point. I'm guessing the older quad bar you are using was the twin front line flagging system, otherwise known as the "Virtual 5th". No one really does the "Virtual 5th" anymore because if the kite flops and rolls tangling the front lines around the kite it could possibly power the kite up with the bar being released from the chickenloop with no way to get it under control.

The 4-line, single front line flagging system can actually allow the kite to flip about and not stay put, because of the one sided bias of the connection. It is however safer, if you take the older scenario into account so despite the slight hassle, it is a better system.

Hope this answers your question.

DM


The 4 line trust bar that flags onto 2 lines is a complete dog. From what I can see the click bar is the only 4 line north bar that doesn't behave in this fashion. Don't wanna run a the 5th line to avoid tangles in the surf.

Is it possible to modify the trust bar to flag onto one line? I am thinking of trying to aquire some competitor's parts and rig a single line flag setup onto it.

weebitbreezy
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Tuesday , 18 Jul 2017 5:23PM
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The 2014 Trust bar was the last North bar that flagged to dual front lines. 2015 onwards flags onto a single front line (so potentially 3 years of second hand bars).

It would be possible to create a single front line flag. I'd raid the Switch parts bin or just use the North safety pully (www.northkites.co.uk/kitesurf_spares/north_spares/north_bar_spares/north_stainless_steel_safety_pulley). Its advisable to keep the split point consistent.

For my money though I'd sell my current bar and get another secondhand one that already has the single line flag.



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