I'm thinking about taking my NSW registered yacht to Qld and mooring it there (my residence is in NSW) - using the boat as and when I like by driving up to stay on it and sail it in the warm waters of Qld. Can NSW residents with NSW registered yachts register for a mooring in Qld? Is there any limit to the length of time a NSW registered yacht stay in Qld?
I kept mine up there for two years ,first year on the hard ,putting it in the water for a 3 month trip . The second year in a marina . I don't think you could get a Queensland mooring though
Even if you are allowed to get a mooring please consider what you actually considering doing. Leaving a boat tied to a rope floating around exposed to the elements with no-one to check on it, maintain it or get it to safety if there's a cyclone, flood major storm or it is vandalised/stolen. You would also be putting other peoples property and possibly lives at risk if your boat comes adrift. Not sure what the grounds are for insurance claims against you if can't demonstrate due care.
Lots of people do what old boy racer did, at least at a marina you have staff that do a regular visual check and know who you are if something happens plus they have some duty of care to protect your boat (and their marina). If you don't want to pay marina fees, think about finding someone on a canal estate with a vacant jetty that is looking for a way to reduce their council rates. Again at least they can contact you if something goes wrong.
Select to expand quoteWander66 said..
Even if you are allowed to get a mooring please consider what you actually considering doing. Leaving a boat tied to a rope floating around exposed to the elements with no-one to check on it, maintain it or get it to safety if there's a cyclone, flood major storm or it is vandalised/stolen. You would also be putting other peoples property and possibly lives at risk if your boat comes adrift. Not sure what the grounds are for insurance claims against you if can't demonstrate due care.
Lots of people do what old boy racer did, at least at a marina you have staff that do a regular visual check and know who you are if something happens plus they have some duty of care to protect your boat (and their marina). If you don't want to pay marina fees, think about finding someone on a canal estate with a vacant jetty that is looking for a way to reduce their council rates. Again at least they can contact you if something goes wrong.
My question was to seek the facts on whether or not there are time limits (and it would appear that there are no limits), and whether i could register for a mooring- and it seems not.
In terms of moored yachts, there are thousands of yachts moored all around the world with owners who live a long way from them - that's just life. Looking at a boat from the kitchen window each day doesn't make it safe. I've owned and sailed boats for over 40 years, I rather think that good safety management of the apparatus and mooring lines can be done regularly, and this doesn't need daily supervision. If you are trying to imply I'd not maintain the apparatus, I think your assumption is misplaced - and telling me that I would 'put other peoples property and possibly lives at risk if your boat comes adrift' apparently relies on the presumption that it would come adrift through faulty apparatus, lines or securing mechanisms to the boat. I'm not entirely sure what the grounds are for your implication that I'd do such a thing - I am reasonably sure you don't even know me. Certainly, my question alone shouldn't have led to such a conclusion. Would you care to explain why you've chosen to launch the attack on me?
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Even if you are allowed to get a mooring please consider what you actually considering doing. Leaving a boat tied to a rope floating around exposed to the elements with no-one to check on it, maintain it or get it to safety if there's a cyclone, flood major storm or it is vandalised/stolen. You would also be putting other peoples property and possibly lives at risk if your boat comes adrift. Not sure what the grounds are for insurance claims against you if can't demonstrate due care.
Lots of people do what old boy racer did, at least at a marina you have staff that do a regular visual check and know who you are if something happens plus they have some duty of care to protect your boat (and their marina). If you don't want to pay marina fees, think about finding someone on a canal estate with a vacant jetty that is looking for a way to reduce their council rates. Again at least they can contact you if something goes wrong.
My question was to seek the facts on whether or not there are time limits (and it would appear that there are no limits), and whether i could register for a mooring- and it seems not.
In terms of moored yachts, there are thousands of yachts moored all around the world with owners who live a long way from them - that's just life. Looking at a boat from the kitchen window each day doesn't make it safe. I've owned and sailed boats for over 40 years, I rather think that good safety management of the apparatus and mooring lines can be done regularly, and this doesn't need daily supervision. If you are trying to imply I'd not maintain the apparatus, I think your assumption is misplaced - and telling me that I would 'put other peoples property and possibly lives at risk if your boat comes adrift' apparently relies on the presumption that it would come adrift through faulty apparatus, lines or securing mechanisms to the boat. I'm not entirely sure what the grounds are for your implication that I'd do such a thing - I am reasonably sure you don't even know me. Certainly, my question alone shouldn't have led to such a conclusion. Would you care to explain why you've chosen to launch the attack on me?
What Wander66 is saying is common sense. The recommendation is to use commercial moorings if you are an infrequent user of a remote boat. His other ideas of finding someone with a free mooring that could be checked occasionally is also good. Nothing personal, just good advice.
I believe it's 6 months. I sold the yach /Farr37/, 10 months ago. New owner coming fromSA, couldn't register the Qld boat, unless he lives here., he could register on line in SA, but 6 months limit for interstate boats apply.
Not sure what happened since, but just received qld rego renewal.
Just checked our insurance policy. It has cruising limits : NSW waters. Does yours?
Never heard of an interstate boat being checked as to how long it has been in Queensland. The use of moorings is not all that common in Queensland compared to NSW. There are not many in the top end of Moreton Bay where it is good sailing and a few down the bottom end where sailing is ****. Unfortunately in Queensland if you could get a mooring you would need to completely refurbish it as most are not that well maintained. The next best is to find a private jetty in a canal estate which are few and far between. I live in a canal estate and regularly get letter box drops from people looking for a mooring. Marinas are the only other option which are expensive, but nowhere near a costly as NSW. Good luck.
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I believe it's 6 months.
I have a feeling it might even be less then that. Maybe even less than 3 months.
I had a similar issue a few years ago when I purchased a QLD registered boat that I was bringing back to WA. It had to remain QLD registered as it was going to be in QLD waters for more than 3 months. Unfortunately I couldn't register it as a WA resident and it appears QLD has some funny little identity number that you must have and use for the registration that you cannot get as a non resident. Luckily for me my parents are QLD residents and I put the boats registration in their name (and for almost free thanks to the old mans DVA card).
As Jode5 said, they may not even check, but being compliant is gonna be a pain in the @rse.
No problems not a personal attack just trying to flag possible issues with having a long distance relationship with your mooring . I have a mooring 30 minutes away and there's times where I'm not confident I would be able to get to my boat in time. So just asking you to think about the risks of having a mooring where you aren't able to respond immediately to an emergency. If my ccomments don't apply to you then all good, maybe it will inform others. My boat is at a marina now and will move onto a Queensland mooring in June after cyclone season. I've let MSQ know this because it's a requirement to notify them of what you're doing.
I think the safest way to remain within the rules is for me write to MSQ and ask for them to provide advice.
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I think the safest way to remain within the rules is for me write to MSQ and ask for them to provide advice.
Yep each office has a direct number and email address.
www.msq.qld.gov.au/About-us/How-to-contact-us/Regions
In NSW the RMS states, per this link;
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/registration/interstate-overseas.html
Interstate and overseas vessels
You can use a vessel registered in another Australian state or territory, or overseas, on NSW navigable waters. If you're using the vessel temporarily in NSW, you don't need to get NSW registration, as long as the vessel:
1. Is not ordinarily used on navigable waters in NSW
2. Has not been in NSW for more than three months
3. Is currently registered in another state, territory or overseasIs properly numbered and carries an identification plate required by the law of its home state, territory or country.
If any of these conditions cannot be met, and the vessel is registrable under NSW law, it must carry NSW registration when on navigable waters in NSW.
So three months, when coming into NSW. I would expect QLD would have similar rules.
From the MSQ website;
www.qld.gov.au/transport/boating/registration/recreational
Interstate and overseas registration
Recreational boats with valid interstate or overseas registration can operate in Queensland:
- for up to 1 year if the boat has current registration from a foreign country.
Please note: This does not apply if the ship is owned by an individual whose principal place of residence is in Queensland, or a person whose principal place of business (or principal place for managing the ship's operations) is in Queensland.
- while on interstate voyages if the boat has current registration from another state or territory.
If you move to Queensland from another state or territory, or your interstate or foreign registration expires, you must get Queensland registration.
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From the MSQ website;
www.qld.gov.au/transport/boating/registration/recreational
Interstate and overseas registration
Recreational boats with valid interstate or overseas registration can operate in Queensland:
- for up to 1 year if the boat has current registration from a foreign country.
Please note: This does not apply if the ship is owned by an individual whose principal place of residence is in Queensland, or a person whose principal place of business (or principal place for managing the ship's operations) is in Queensland.
- while on interstate voyages if the boat has current registration from another state or territory.
If you move to Queensland from another state or territory, or your interstate or foreign registration expires, you must get Queensland registration.
Excellent, thanks.
I received this after writing to MSQ...
Thank you for your email.
Information regarding Recreational ships and registration in Queensland can be found at this link;Registration (Maritime Safety Queensland) (msq.qld.gov.au)
In Summary Qld recognises Interstate and international registrations.
Interstate and overseas registration
Recreational boats with valid interstate or overseas registration can operate in Queensland: for up to 1 year if the boat has current registration from a foreign country.
Please note: This does not apply if the ship is owned by an individual whose principal place of residence is in Queensland, or a person whose principal place of business (or principal place for managing the ship's operations) is in Queensland. while on interstate voyages if the boat has current registration from another state or territory.
If you move to Queensland from another state or territory, or your interstate or foreign registration expires, you must get Queensland registration.
Ship insurance
All ships over 15m, including those visiting Queensland waters, must have insurance to cover potential pollution clean up, salvage and wreck removal. Find more information about ship insurance requirements in Queensland. Any other information can be found on The Maritime Safety Queensland Website.Home (Maritime Safety Queensland) (msq.qld.gov.au)If you have any further questions, I can be contacted through the details on my signature block below.
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I thought your question was can you moor a vessel on a Qld registered mooring whilst residing in NSW? That is different to operating a vessel in Qld, isn't it?
Not checked but my understanding is that the vessel/ vehicle may be registered in the state where it is being used while the owner may reside elsewhere. A vessel must be registered in the state to apply for a mooring licence in that state.
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I thought your question was can you moor a vessel on a Qld registered mooring whilst residing in NSW? That is different to operating a vessel in Qld, isn't it?
what do you think?
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In NSW the RMS states, per this link;
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/registration/interstate-overseas.html
Interstate and overseas vessels
You can use a vessel registered in another Australian state or territory, or overseas, on NSW navigable waters. If you're using the vessel temporarily in NSW, you don't need to get NSW registration, as long as the vessel:
1. Is not ordinarily used on navigable waters in NSW
2. Has not been in NSW for more than three months
3. Is currently registered in another state, territory or overseasIs properly numbered and carries an identification plate required by the law of its home state, territory or country.
If any of these conditions cannot be met, and the vessel is registrable under NSW law, it must carry NSW registration when on navigable waters in NSW.
So three months, when coming into NSW. I would expect QLD would have similar rules.
This relates directly with the regulation that only allows a recreational vessel, no matter where its registered,
TO BE ANCHORED NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS IN NSW WATERS PER YEAR!!!!!!!
Go figure. I'm still waiting for a meeting with the Roads & Transport Minister!
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TO BE ANCHORED NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS IN NSW WATERS PER YEAR!!!!!!!
Go figure. I'm still waiting for a meeting with the Roads & Transport Minister!
Which is ridiculous. Keep at it mate. Take it to your local member. Cheers.
