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Tablets (not the music festival ones)

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Created by D3 8 months ago, 12 Jan 2018
D3
WA, 58 posts
12 Jan 2018 9:21AM
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Greetings again folks!

A couple of queries about Tablets/iPads for navigation.

1. Which operating system works best with common Navigation programs and apps?

2. How sturdy do you want it to be? (Waterproof, impact resistant or just shove it in a pouch and treat it gentle?)

3. Location/GPS interoperability? Are there Tab's with good enough inbuilt GPS or what options are there for connecting with an external (larger) unit?

I'm keen on redundancy, I'd like to be able to load my charts and passage plans onto both chart plotter and tablet. But because they're separate, I'll be better able to pick anomalies/errors and have a backup if one unit craps out.

I'm keen to hear anecdotes, horror stories, personal preferences and professional opinions (but only on this topic, so let's keep it PG13) ;)

Cheers in advance

D

robker
QLD, 5 posts
12 Jan 2018 11:54AM
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i am using a samsung tablet with navionics software find it works great have used windows laptop before charts where expensive and chart software also needed usb gps. Navionics on tablet easy cheap and great

samsturdy
NSW, 1216 posts
12 Jan 2018 1:47PM
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I've put Navionics on a pad and it works really well. Not free but cheap and I haven't got lost in Pittwater at all.

D3
WA, 58 posts
12 Jan 2018 12:03PM
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samsturdy said..
I've put Navionics on a pad and it works really well. Not free but cheap and I haven't got lost in Pittwater at all.


On that note, I guess tablets with GPS and charts loaded make for a pretty good 'ready-reckoner' while sailing, but I feel you'd still want a pretty good feel for the actual chart your navigating on?

Chris 249
NSW, 1580 posts
12 Jan 2018 3:16PM
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We have iSailor on an ipad. As you say, it's good to have charts too, so you can avoid zoom problems such as the one that put a Volvo race boat on the rocks and simply because of their physical size.

iSailor is generally good enough in my experience, after about 300 offshore miles and plenty of inshore sailing with it, but there issues where charts join and with the fact that the scale plans of small harbours are not included.

Isailor can also go on a phone, which gives you a handy backup. I'm not sure if that's normal. Our ipad has a waterproof cover and a long power cord so it can be used up on deck or on the chart table.

Bristolfashion
VIC, 364 posts
12 Jan 2018 3:38PM
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Navionics on 2 Android tablets and a phone. Boy, is that copy on the phone useful in quick navigation discussions in the cafe. The tablet gps is pretty good. There are any number of apps that will show you how well satellites are being aquired - saildroid for example.

Be aware that some iPads don't have gps receivers, but emulate from wifi. Make sure before you buy if you go iPad.

Waterproof cases are good. A few spares also good - I also carry an old school garmin gps.

Cheers

Bristol

oldboyracer
NSW, 185 posts
12 Jan 2018 3:41PM
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I use an iPad with navionics for plotting a course (, you can download and save the charts when you have internet for later use ) then transfer that to paper charts just to check . Use the iPad in the cockpit in a waterproof cover with the course on it just follow the line. Then have my raymarine plotter running zoomed up quite a bit with no course plotted normally. That way I can get some sleep by telling Who ever is on watch to wake me if we move to far from the line or if something comes up in front of us on the plotter. I feel safer that way.

Jayde28
WA, 19 posts
12 Jan 2018 1:54PM
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D3 said..
Greetings again folks!

A couple of queries about Tablets/iPads for navigation.

1. Which operating system works best with common Navigation programs and apps?

2. How sturdy do you want it to be? (Waterproof, impact resistant or just shove it in a pouch and treat it gentle?)

3. Location/GPS interoperability? Are there Tab's with good enough inbuilt GPS or what options are there for connecting with an external (larger) unit?

I'm keen on redundancy, I'd like to be able to load my charts and passage plans onto both chart plotter and tablet. But because they're separate, I'll be better able to pick anomalies/errors and have a backup if one unit craps out.

I'm keen to hear anecdotes, horror stories, personal preferences and professional opinions (but only on this topic, so let's keep it PG13) ;)

Cheers in advance

D


I use my iPhone plus with navionics along with paper charts and a chart plotter. Things to consider is that the tablet is cellular, you can buy a Bluetooth gps for a apple device that does not have a SIM card, we used my phone all the way from Thailand to Bali on a recent trip and I was very happy with it especially when you are down below and keep track when not on watch. Although I am a little wary of navigating from a phone I tend to stay on the caution side of things

Bushdog
NSW, 132 posts
12 Jan 2018 6:06PM
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I use Navionics on iPhone and iPad, plus a gps plotter running G2 Vision, with back up paper charts, ma8nly for planning. iPhone is great for a quick glance anywhere on the boat. iPad screen is way bigger than the chart plotter. Phones seem to have much better reception than tablets, so it's handy for weather data etc when off the coast. Both work fine for chartplotting without reception as long as you've downloaded maps. For clear info about iPad gps, try the following link... ipadpilotnews.com/2015/12/ipad-real-gps/

Ramona
NSW, 4328 posts
12 Jan 2018 6:08PM
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I use Seaclear on a windows laptop. If I was starting again I would load either Seaclear or OpenCPN or both on a USB stick. Maybe make a couple of back ups then just plug into whatever windows computer you have onboard. Sail with your mate, just take the usb stick with you.

Bit of gossip. Garmin has just bought Navionics. It was in this months Yachting World in the news section. On the same page as the clipper yacht article where the yacht sailed up onto a reef!

sunycoastguy
QLD, 159 posts
12 Jan 2018 9:58PM
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I use navionics on samsung galaxy tablet. Just did 800nm found it very accurate and reliable. I have a cheap waterproof case but never used it, gets tucked in spray dodger when it rains. Also dont leave them in hot sun as mine over heats and the apps shuts down untill it cools down - not very long

sirgallivant
NSW, 1186 posts
13 Jan 2018 2:12AM
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Galaxy Note 10.1 and an HTC phone as well as a chart plotter, all with ERC's.
The tablet and phone with MemoryMap and plotter with C-Map, all electronic raster charts equivalent to paper charts. Also carry paper charts as well.
Tablet is pain on the sun. Always in waterproof cover charging constantly on chart table. Phone in waterproof pouch, around my neck.

Madmouse
147 posts
13 Jan 2018 5:13AM
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Charging is important as the tablets have a habit of going flat just as you need them i.e when entering an unfamiliar port at the end of a long day sail.

Also remember tablet and phone touch screens dont work in the rain.

I also use a garmin etrex2 which tells you how far to next waypoint, how long to get there, current speed, and ETA. It also has an arrow that constantly points to the waypoint. For coastal passages with no obstructions this is all you need.

I think good practice is to plot your position on a chart every hour so that if the electronics fail you still know where you are.

cisco
QLD, 10660 posts
13 Jan 2018 10:47AM
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Madmouse said..
I think good practice is to plot your position on a chart every hour so that if the electronics fail you still know where you are.


Why wouldn't anybody do that?? Dead easy and it is what you are supposed to do legally anyway.

Madmouse
147 posts
13 Jan 2018 10:10AM
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Cisco it obviously depends on the voyage. The OP doesnt refer to the length of the voyage.

I am not aware of any legal requirement to plot a postion on a paper chart every hour. Feel free to enlighten me.

Charriot
QLD, 742 posts
13 Jan 2018 12:54PM
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I believe, it was mentioned sometimes ago, in QLD paper charts are not compulsory any more.



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