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Created by Bundeenabuoy 4 months ago, 20 Apr 2019
Bundeenabuoy
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20 Apr 2019 7:51AM
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I had a major operation on April 8 and fortunately the prognosis is for a full recovery.
All has gone well and I hope to be on my boat next Saturday and Sunday as a passenger of coarse.
The doctor had said very little alcohol for six to eight weeks.
As I enjoyed a few wine every night, my reaction was "thats not going to happen"
But after my operation I did not feel like drinking and now its been nearly a fortnight without a drink.
The point I want to make is I feel a lot better for not drinking and am not missing it.
I find a glass of tonic, lemon and ice is fine with dinner.
I do think the benefits of not drinking for me are many.







fishmonkey
NSW, 432 posts
20 Apr 2019 9:45AM
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it is a cruel twist of geo-econo-political fate that alcohol and tobacco are the two drugs that it is legal to buy over the counter in Australia.

why? because they are both highly toxic to humans.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
20 Apr 2019 10:27AM
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I had a major operation on April 8 and fortunately the prognosis is for a full recovery.
All has gone well and I hope to be on my boat next Saturday and Sunday as a passenger of coarse.
The doctor had said very little alcohol for six to eight weeks.
As I enjoyed a few wine every night, my reaction was "thats not going to happen"
But after my operation I did not feel like drinking and now its been nearly a fortnight without a drink.
The point I want to make is I feel a lot better for not drinking and am not missing it.
I find a glass of tonic, lemon and ice is fine with dinner.
I do think the benefits of not drinking for me are many.










I had a major operation on April 8 and fortunately the prognosis is for a full recovery.
All has gone well and I hope to be on my boat next Saturday and Sunday as a passenger of coarse.
The doctor had said very little alcohol for six to eight weeks.
As I enjoyed a few wine every night, my reaction was "thats not going to happen"
But after my operation I did not feel like drinking and now its been nearly a fortnight without a drink.
The point I want to make is I feel a lot better for not drinking and am not missing it.
I find a glass of tonic, lemon and ice is fine with dinner.
I do think the benefits of not drinking for me are many.

fishmonkey
NSW, 432 posts
20 Apr 2019 10:36AM
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coincidentally i haven't had a drink for about a fortnight too. even though i'm not generally a heavy drinker the benefits are definitely noticeable.

Bundeenabuoy
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20 Apr 2019 11:20AM
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Fishmonkey, this is not intended for you. Thanks for letting me put in up.


Definition
Alcohol abuse disorder refers to a long-term addiction to alcohol.

The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) describes alcohol use disorder as "problem drinking that becomes severe."A person with this condition does not know when or how to stop drinking. They spend a lot of time thinking about alcohol, and they cannot control how much they consume, even if it is causing serious problems at home, work, and financially.Alcohol abuse can be used to talk about excessive or inappropriate consumption of alcohol, but not necessarily dependence.Moderate alcohol consumption does not generally cause any psychological or physical harm. However, if who enjoy social drinking increase their consumption or regularly consume more than is recommended, AUD may eventually develop.SymptomsA person who drinks excessive amounts of alcohol will often not be the first person to realize that this is so.Some signs and symptoms of AUD include:drinking alone or in secretnot being able to limit how much alcohol is consumedblacking out and not being able to remember chunks of timehaving rituals and being irritated if someone else comments on these rituals, for example, drinks before, during, or after meals, or after worklosing interest in hobbies that were previously enjoyedfeeling an urge to drinkfeeling irritable when drinking times approach, especially if alcohol is not, or may not be, availablestoring alcohol in unlikely placesgulping drinks down in order to feel goodhaving problems with relationships, the law, finances, or work that stem from drinkingneeding more alcohol to feel its effectexperiencing nausea, sweating, or shaking when not drinkingSome people experience some of these signs and symptoms but are not dependent on alcohol.Alcohol consumption becomes a problem when it takes precedence over all other activities. Dependence can take several years to develop.The problems linked to alcohol dependence are extensive. The effects can be physical, psychological, and social.Causes
Causes and risk factors include peer pressure, drinking from a young age, and depression.

Alcohol dependence can take from a few years to several decades to develop. For some people who are particularly vulnerable, it can happen within months.Over time, regular alcohol consumption can disrupt the balance of:gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) in the brainglutamateGABA controls impulsiveness and glutamate stimulates the nervous system.Dopamine levels in the brain rise after consuming alcohol. Dopamine levels may make the drinking experience more gratifying.Over the long- or medium-term, excessive drinking can significantly alter the levels of these brain chemicals. This causes the body to crave alcohol in order to feel good and avoid feeling bad.Possible risk factorsSome risk factors may also be linked to excessive drinking.Genes: Some specific genetic factors may make some people more likely to develop an addiction to alcohol and other substances. There may be a family history.The age of the first alcoholic drink: A study has suggested that people who start drinking alcohol before the age of 15 years may be more likely to have problems with alcohol later in life.Easy access: There appears to be a correlation between easy access to alcohol - such as cheap prices - and alcohol abuse and alcohol-related deaths. One study registered a significant drop in alcohol-related deaths after one state raised alcohol taxes. The effect was found to be nearly two to four times that of other prevention strategies, such as school programs or media campaigns.Stress: Some stress hormones are linked to alcohol abuse. If stress and anxiety levels are high, a person may consume alcohol in an attempt to blank out the upheaval.Peer drinking: People whose friends drink regularly or excessively are more likely to drink too much. This can eventually lead to alcohol-related problems.Low self-esteem: Those with low self-esteem who have alcohol readily available are more likely to consume too much.Depression: People with depression may deliberately or unwittingly use alcohol as a means of self-treatment. On the other hand, consuming too much alcohol may increase the risk of depression, rather than reducing it.Media and advertising: In some countries, alcohol is portrayed as a glamorous, worldly, and cool activity. Alcohol advertising and media coverage of it may increase the risk by conveying the message that excessive drinking is acceptable.How the body processes (metabolizes) alcohol: People who need comparatively more alcohol to achieve an effect have a higher risk of eventually developing health problems related to alcohol.DiagnosisFor AUD to be diagnosed in the U.S., the individual must meet the criteria laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), published by the American Psychiatric Association (APS).The criteria include having a pattern of consumption that leads to considerable impairment or distress.At least three of the following criteria should have been present during the past 12 months:Alcohol tolerance: The person needs a large quantity of alcohol to feel intoxicated. However, when the liver is damaged and cannot metabolize the alcohol so well, this tolerance may drop. Damage to the central nervous system may also reduce tolerance levels.Withdrawal symptoms: When the individual abstains from alcohol or cuts down, they experience tremors, insomnia, nausea, or anxiety. They may drink more to avoid these symptoms.Beyond intentions: The person drinks more alcohol, or over a longer period, than they intended.Unsuccessful attempts to cut down: The person is continuously trying to cut down alcohol consumption but does not succeed. They may have a persistent desire to cut down.Time consumed: The person spends a lot of time obtaining, using, or recovering from alcohol consumption.Withdrawal: The individual withdraws from recreational, social, or occupational activities that they previously participated in.Persistence: The person continues consuming alcohol, even though they know it is harming them physically and psychologically.Some signs and symptoms of alcohol abuse may be due to another condition. Ageing can lead to memory problems and falls, for example.A person may go to the doctor about a medical condition, such as a digestive problem, and not mention how much alcohol they consume. This can make it difficult for a doctor to identify who might benefit from alcohol dependency screening.If a health worker suspect alcohol may be a problem, they may ask a series of questions. If the patient answers in a certain way, the doctor may then use a standardized questionnaire to find out more.Tests for alcoholismBlood tests can only reveal very recent alcohol consumption. They cannot tell whether a person has been drinking heavily for a long time.If a blood test reveals that the red blood cells have increased in size, it could be an indication of long-term alcohol abuse.Carbohydrate-deficient transferrin (CDT) is a blood test that helps detect heavy alcohol consumption.Other tests can indicate whether there is damage to the liver, or - in males - reduced testosterone levels. Both of these might indicate chronic alcohol consumption.However, screening with an appropriate questionnaire is seen as an effective means of reaching an accurate diagnosis.Many people who consume unhealthy amounts of alcohol deny that alcohol poses a problem for them. They may tend to minimize the extent of their drinking.Talking to family members may help the doctor understand the situation, but they will need permission to do this.Complications
Complications of this condition may include memory loss, confusion, mental health issues, and problems with work or home life.

Drinking alcohol usually elevates a person's mood at first.However, a person who has been consuming unhealthy amounts of alcohol for a long time is likely to become sedated when they drink.This is because alcohol depresses the nervous system.Alcohol may undermine a person's judgment. It can lower inhibitions and alter the drinker's thoughts, emotions, and general behavior.Heavy regular drinking can seriously affect a person's ability to coordinate their muscles and speak properly.Heavy binge drinking could lead to a coma.Eventually, regular heavy drinking may cause at least one of the following problems:Fatigue: The person feels tired most of the time.Memory loss: Alcohol affects the short-term memory in particular.Eye muscles: The eye muscles can become significantly weaker.Liver diseases: There is a higher chance of developing hepatitis and cirrhosis, an irreversible and progressive condition.Gastrointestinal complications: Gastritis or pancreas damage can occur. These will undermine the body's ability to digest food, absorb certain vitamins, and produce hormones that regulate metabolism.Hypertension: Regular heavy drinking is likely to raise blood pressure.Heart problems: There is a higher risk of cardiomyopathy (damaged heart muscle), heart failure, and stroke.Diabetes: There is a high risk of developing diabetes type 2, and people with diabetes have a high chance of complications if they regularly consume more alcohol than is recommended. Alcohol prevents the release of glucose from the liver, resulting in hypoglycemia. If a person with diabetes is already using insulin to lower their blood sugar levels, hypoglycemia could have serious consequences.Menstruation: Excessive consumption of alcohol can stop or disrupt menstruation.Erectile dysfunction: There may be problems getting or sustaining an erection.Fetal alcohol syndrome: Consuming alcohol during pregnancy increases the risk of birth defects. The newborn may have a small head, heart problems, shortened eyelids, and developmental and cognitive problems.Thinning bones: Alcohol interferes with the production of new bone, leading to a thinning of the bones and an increased risk of fractures.Nervous system problems: There may be numbness in the extremities, dementia, and confused or disordered thinking.Cancer: There is a higher risk of developing several cancers, including cancer of the mouth, esophagus, liver, colon, rectum, breast, prostate, and pharynx.Accidents: There is a higher chance of injuries from falls, road traffic accidents, and so on.Domestic abuse: Alcohol is a major factor in spouse-beating, child abuse, and conflicts with neighbors.Work or school problems: Employment or educational problems and unemployment are often alcohol-related.Suicide: Suicide rates among people with alcohol dependence or who consume alcohol inappropriately are higher than among those who do not.Mental illness: Alcohol abuse increases the risk of mental illness, and it can make existing mental illnesses worse.Problems with the law: People who consume alcohol are significantly more likely to spend time in court or in prison, compared with the rest of the population.


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TreatmentThe first step toward recovery is to acknowledge that there is an alcohol dependency problem.The next step is to get help. This is available from a range of support groups and professional services.The following are recognized treatment options for alcoholism:Do-it-yourself: Some people with an alcohol problem manage to reduce their drinking or abstain without seeking professional help. Free information is available on websites, and self-help books can be purchased online.Counseling: A qualified counselor can help the person share their problems and then devise a plan to tackle the drinking. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is commonly used to treat alcohol dependency.Treating underlying problems: There may be problems with self-esteem, stress, anxiety, depression, or other aspects of mental health. It is important to treat these problems, too, as they can increase the risks posed by alcohol. Common alcohol-related issues, such as hypertension, liver diseases, and possibly heart diseases, will need to be treated too.Residential programs: These can offer expert professional help, individual or group therapy, support groups, training, family involvement, activity therapy, and a host of strategies for treating alcohol abuse. Being physically away from access to temptation is helpful for some people.Drug that provokes a severe reaction to alcohol: Antabuse (disulfiram) causes a severe reaction when somebody drinks alcohol, including nausea, flushing, vomiting, and headaches. It is a deterrent, but it will not treat the compulsion to drink or solve the problem in the long term.Drugs for cravings: Naltrexone (ReVia) may help reduce the urge to have a drink. Acamprosate (Campral) may help with cravings.Detoxification: Medications can help prevent withdrawal symptoms (delirium tremens, or DTs) that can occur after quitting. Treatment usually lasts 4 to 7 days. Chlordiazepoxide, a benzodiazepine medication, is frequently used for detoxification (detox).Abstinence: Some people complete detox successfully, but they start drinking again either soon after or some time later. Access to counseling, medical help, support groups, and family support can all help the individual avoid alcohol as time goes on.Alcoholics Anonymous: Alcoholics Anonymous is an international fellowship of men and women who have faced problems with alcohol. It is nonprofessional, self-supporting, multiracial, apolitical, and available almost everywhere. There are no age or education requirements. Membership is open to anyone who wants to stop drinking.

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Bananabender
QLD, 763 posts
20 Apr 2019 1:48PM
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Mate I'm not going to get into a discussion about this on this forum but there is a big difference between a drinker ( heavy ) an an alki.
Forget all the bs and mumbo jumbo .
If you want to know if you have a drink problem give it away for six months. If you can't do that you MAY so do something about it because there's no such thing as cutting it down if you are.

southace
QLD, 4092 posts
20 Apr 2019 2:51PM
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I'm enjoying this 95% sugar free and low carb beer what can be wrong with it?

sirgallivant
NSW, 1438 posts
20 Apr 2019 4:42PM
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"Booze is a good servant
But a terrible master! "

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
20 Apr 2019 6:18PM
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sirgallivant said..
"Booze is a good servant
But a terrible master! "



Complications
Complications of this condition may include memory loss, confusion, mental health issues, and problems with work or home life.

Drinking alcohol usually elevates a person's mood at first.However, a person who has been consuming unhealthy amounts of alcohol for a long time is likely to become sedated when they drink.This is because alcohol depresses the nervous system.Alcohol may undermine a person's judgment. It can lower inhibitions and alter the drinker's thoughts, emotions, and general behavior.Heavy regular drinking can seriously affect a person's ability to coordinate their muscles and speak properly.Heavy binge drinking could lead to a coma.

Bananabender
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20 Apr 2019 7:03PM
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Bundeenabuoy said..


sirgallivant said..
"Booze is a good servant
But a terrible master! "




Complications
Complications of this condition may include memory loss, confusion, mental health issues, and problems with work or home life.


Drinking alcohol usually elevates a person's mood at first.However, a person who has been consuming unhealthy amounts of alcohol for a long time is likely to become sedated when they drink.This is because alcohol depresses the nervous system.Alcohol may undermine a person's judgment. It can lower inhibitions and alter the drinker's thoughts, emotions, and general behavior.Heavy regular drinking can seriously affect a person's ability to coordinate their muscles and speak properly.Heavy binge drinking could lead to a coma.


Mate lighten up FGS your reading to much just live and be happy.
The world would be boring without it.
A little drink or two is good.
At all the Balls we went to I could outdance Fred Astaire , Out charm Errol Flynn with ladies and be as funny as Bob Hope and I'm sticking to it.
And the big plus is you can tell the boss next day it must have been the grog you don't remember.

Lazzz
NSW, 454 posts
20 Apr 2019 8:04PM
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I'm enjoying a quiet few beverages of my choice this evening actually



keensailor
NSW, 646 posts
20 Apr 2019 8:40PM
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I love a beer but the males in my family all have heart conditions. I tried low alcohol and alcohol free beers but all they did was give me the taste for it. Now I've just decided to give it away totally. I've had my fare share of booze that's for sure ;)

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
21 Apr 2019 6:27AM
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Lazzz said..
I'm enjoying a quiet few beverages of my choice this evening actually




How wonderful does that look!

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
21 Apr 2019 7:10AM
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Bananabender said..

Bundeenabuoy said..




sirgallivant said..
"Booze is a good servant
But a terrible master! "





Complications
Complications of this condition may include memory loss, confusion, mental health issues, and problems with work or home life.



Drinking alcohol usually elevates a person's mood at first.However, a person who has been consuming unhealthy amounts of alcohol for a long time is likely to become sedated when they drink.This is because alcohol depresses the nervous system.Alcohol may undermine a person's judgment. It can lower inhibitions and alter the drinker's thoughts, emotions, and general behavior.Heavy regular drinking can seriously affect a person's ability to coordinate their muscles and speak properly.Heavy binge drinking could lead to a coma.



Mate lighten up FGS your reading to much just live and be happy.
The world would be boring without it.
A little drink or two is good.
At all the Balls we went to I could outdance Fred Astaire , Out charm Errol Flynn with ladies and be as funny as Bob Hope and I'm sticking to it.
And the big plus is you can tell the boss next day it must have been the grog you don't remember.


Thank you Bananabender for taken part in the discussion.

Symptoms

A person who drinks excessive amounts of alcohol will often not be the first person to realize that this is so.

Some signs and symptoms of AUD include:

drinking alone or in secret
not being able to limit how much alcohol is consumed
blacking out and not being able to remember chunks of time
having rituals and being irritated if someone else comments on these rituals, for example, drinks before, during, or after meals, or after work
losing interest in hobbies that were previously enjoyed
feeling an urge to drink
feeling irritable when drinking times approach, especially if alcohol is not, or may not be, available
storing alcohol in unlikely places
gulping drinks down in order to feel good
having problems with relationships, the law, finances, or work that stem from drinking
needing more alcohol to feel its effect
experiencing nausea, sweating, or shaking when not drinking

Some people experience some of these signs and symptoms but are not dependent on alcohol.
Alcohol consumption becomes a problem when it takes precedence over all other activities.
Dependence can take several years to develop.
The problems linked to alcohol dependence are extensive.
The effects can be physical, psychological, and social.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
21 Apr 2019 7:25AM
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I love a beer but the males in my family all have heart conditions. I tried low alcohol and alcohol free beers but all they did was give me the taste for it. Now I've just decided to give it away totally. I've had my fare share of booze that's for sure ;)



I love a beer too, but

Possible risk factors
Some risk factors may also be linked to excessive drinking.
Genes:
Some specific genetic factors may make some people more likely to develop an addiction to alcohol and other substances.
There may be a family history.
The age of the first alcoholic drink:
A study has suggested that people who start drinking alcohol before the age of 15 years may be more likely to have problems with alcohol later in life.
Easy access:
There appears to be a correlation between easy access to alcohol - such as cheap prices - and alcohol abuse and alcohol-related deaths. One study registered a significant drop in alcohol-related deaths after one state raised alcohol taxes. The effect was found to be nearly two to four times that of other prevention strategies, such as school programs or media campaigns.Stress: Some stress hormones are linked to alcohol abuse. If stress and anxiety levels are high, a person may consume alcohol in an attempt to blank out the upheaval.Peer drinking: People whose friends drink regularly or excessively are more likely to drink too much. This can eventually lead to alcohol-related problems.
Low self-esteem:
Those with low self-esteem who have alcohol readily available are more likely to consume too much.Depression: People with depression may deliberately or unwittingly use alcohol as a means of self-treatment. On the other hand, consuming too much alcohol may increase the risk of depression, rather than reducing it.
Media and advertising:
In some countries, alcohol is portrayed as a glamorous, worldly, and cool activity. Alcohol advertising and media coverage of it may increase the risk by conveying the message that excessive drinking is acceptable.
How the body processes (metabolizes) alcohol:
People who need comparatively more alcohol to achieve an effect have a higher risk of eventually developing health problems related to alcohol.

tired
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21 Apr 2019 6:29AM
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After reading all that l need several drinks...and it's only 8.30.

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
21 Apr 2019 9:29AM
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tired said..
After reading all that l need several drinks...and it's only 8.30.


Yes, I thought I should get in early before some started drinking

Bundeenabuoy
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22 Apr 2019 6:53AM
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Treatment
The first step toward recovery is to acknowledge that there is an alcohol dependency problem.
The next step is to get help.
This is available from a range of support groups and professional services.
The following are recognized treatment options for alcoholism
Do-it-yourself
Some people with an alcohol problem manage to reduce their drinking or abstain without seeking professional help. Free information is available on websites, and self-help books can be purchased online.
Counseling
A qualified counselor can help the person share their problems and then devise a plan to tackle the drinking. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is commonly used to treat alcohol dependency.
Treating underlying problems
There may be problems with self-esteem, stress, anxiety, depression, or other aspects of mental health. It is important to treat these problems, too, as they can increase the risks posed by alcohol. Common alcohol-related issues, such as hypertension, liver diseases, and possibly heart diseases, will need to be treated too.
Residential programs
These can offer expert professional help, individual or group therapy, support groups, training, family involvement, activity therapy, and a host of strategies for treating alcohol abuse. Being physically away from access to temptation is helpful for some people.
Drug that provokes a severe reaction to alcohol
Antabuse (disulfiram) causes a severe reaction when somebody drinks alcohol, including nausea, flushing, vomiting, and headaches. It is a deterrent, but it will not treat the compulsion to drink or solve the problem in the long term.
Drugs for cravings
Naltrexone (ReVia) may help reduce the urge to have a drink. Acamprosate (Campral) may help with cravings.
Detoxification
Medications can help prevent withdrawal symptoms (delirium tremens, or DTs) that can occur after quitting. Treatment usually lasts 4 to 7 days. Chlordiazepoxide, a benzodiazepine medication, is frequently used for detoxification (detox).
Abstinence
Some people complete detox successfully, but they start drinking again either soon after or some time later. Access to counseling, medical help, support groups, and family support can all help the individual avoid alcohol as time goes on.
Alcoholics Anonymous
Alcoholics Anonymous is an international fellowship of men and women who have faced problems with alcohol. It is nonprofessional, self-supporting, multiracial, apolitical, and available almost everywhere. There are no age or education requirements. Membership is open to anyone who wants to stop drinking.

sirgallivant
NSW, 1438 posts
22 Apr 2019 1:21PM
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Hick! Huck! Hick! Hick! Huck! Hick! Ooh!

cisco
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22 Apr 2019 8:46PM
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Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.

Bananabender
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22 Apr 2019 8:48PM
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cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.


cazou34
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23 Apr 2019 1:30AM
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Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.


Or when you start drinking the metho

Bushdog
ACT, 172 posts
23 Apr 2019 4:11AM
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cazou34 said..

cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.



Or when you start drinking the metho


Or when you start storing metho in the fridge...

Bundeenabuoy
NSW, 623 posts
18 Jun 2019 6:45AM
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Just an update
Ten weeks ago I had my prostatectomy.
I am am very happy with the results and am happy to discuss the issue privately should anyone wish to.
I also choose to stop drinking alcohol .
Generally its been a great success and I am positive about the future.
There are many benefits for me but the obvious one is a drop in my weight from 83 to 76 kgs.

Shanty
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18 Jun 2019 7:23AM
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cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.


UncleBob
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18 Jun 2019 9:47AM
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Bushdog said..

cazou34 said..


cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.




Or when you start drinking the metho



Or when you start storing metho in the fridge...


What ?? You mean that it's meant to be stored some place else ??

Chris249
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18 Jun 2019 10:09AM
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Some signs and symptoms of AUD include:


storing alcohol in unlikely places


experiencing nausea, sweating, or shaking when not drinking



I may suffer AUD when I go sailing. I store alcohol (for the Maxie stove) in an unusual place behind the starboard settee, and I sometimes experience nausea and shaking when going upwind in 20 knots plus even when I'm not drinking.

Sectorsteve
NSW, 2151 posts
18 Jun 2019 1:33PM
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cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.


Yep I've done that. Now super careful when filling stove.

Shanty
QLD, 487 posts
18 Jun 2019 3:49PM
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Sectorsteve said..

cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.



Yep I've done that. Now super careful when filling stove.


Really?

UncleBob
NSW, 452 posts
18 Jun 2019 4:11PM
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Shanty said..

Sectorsteve said..


cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.




Yep I've done that. Now super careful when filling stove.



Really?


Yep, seen it done. That's when I discovered that fire blankets make a great wick for metho.

Shanty
QLD, 487 posts
18 Jun 2019 4:36PM
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UncleBob said..

Shanty said..


Sectorsteve said..



cisco said..
Alcohol Use Disorder is when you do not know how to operate a Metho Stove and end up setting your boat on fire.





Yep I've done that. Now super careful when filling stove.




Really?



Yep, seen it done. That's when I discovered that fire blankets make a great wick for metho.


Did it burn ya



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