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Axis new "B" series foils and 980 front wing

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Created by wicka A week ago, 21 Nov 2020
wicka
VIC, 7 posts
21 Nov 2020 7:05PM
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Hey everyone, I've seen a few posts floating around online with what looks to be a new black fuselage labeled the "B series" also a new 980 wing that looks great! Has anyone had a play on it or has any info? Cheers.

baldy123
WA, 105 posts
21 Nov 2020 4:28PM
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Smaller fuse head and thinner wings.
Double the price to upgrade from S-Series.

www.instagram.com/p/CH0IZtNjiqC/?igshid=1te45dp5lywzk

goggo
NSW, 114 posts
22 Nov 2020 7:31AM
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baldy123 said..
Smaller fuse head and thinner wings.
Double the price to upgrade from S-Series.

www.instagram.com/p/CH0IZtNjiqC/?igshid=1te45dp5lywzk


Backwards compatible? If not sealed the deal for me to shift brands.

eppo
WA, 7606 posts
22 Nov 2020 9:10PM
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Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.

DWF
254 posts
22 Nov 2020 9:17PM
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eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.


Or....this sport is advancing so FAST, you better lead the way, or get out of the way, because you will get run over.


Holoholo
94 posts
23 Nov 2020 2:39AM
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eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.


Ohhhh law'd nooooooo..... not too many options!

$ave me from my$elf.

eppo
WA, 7606 posts
Monday , 23 Nov 2020 9:12PM
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DWF said..


eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.




Or....this sport is advancing so FAST, you better lead the way, or get out of the way, because you will get run over.





Well there is a brand that already runs over axis well and truly performance Wise and they don't have the thousands of options.
quantity does not mean quality and I'm not talking about manufacturing quality because you can't fault axis on that.

it just seems to me (and I could be well and truly wrong) that the consumer is the product development guinea pig here and it must be a nightmare for retailers to stock all these options.
id rather more in house product testing and a sensible array of options myself.


anyhow ...keep riding my axis and watch the millions of changes come and go I suppose.

scotty100
QLD, 220 posts
Tuesday , 24 Nov 2020 8:30AM
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And if axis only released gear once a year like big players you would all bitch that its not often enough. Consumerism in the 20's is very demanding and you will never please everyone.

flkiter
74 posts
Tuesday , 24 Nov 2020 9:07AM
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To me it seems like Axis asks their riders what they want and where they want to go with the several foil sports and conditions that are out there and then stuff starts getting designed for it. I'm really stoked on the 980 black series. For winging, it's what I was missing. I remember testing the 860/760 a while back and as much as I loved riding those foils, they didn't match my conditions all the time so not all foils work for all conditions all the time. Having variety is great. It's like playing a video game, you get to customize your ride for the stuff you're going to play in that day. Also as riders advance, the gear is going to do the same. I've dropped board size and wind wing size.

eppo
WA, 7606 posts
Tuesday , 24 Nov 2020 10:56AM
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don't get the wrong I love my axis gear but how much better are all these options making things ? Incremental or quantum jumps ? If not, why not have further prototype testing (with their so called "riders"until some real game changers are afoot. Less coin for consumers and they know they are moving into something far better. But I get it, the sport is changing rapidly and so is the differentiation.

anyhow enough uneducated moaning from me ...
what's the "black" series all about ?

and why is the black series "what you were waiting for " ?

using your past gear to compare. That info would be appreciated.

...smaller fuse head and thinner wings sounds a lot like the superior brand I was talking about. Again supporting my argument above..... last whine promise.

martyman
WA, 13 posts
Tuesday , 24 Nov 2020 2:04PM
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Dude whatever, Adrian and his crew are having the time of their lives and I'm along for the ride!

eppo
WA, 7606 posts
Tuesday , 24 Nov 2020 9:41PM
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Okay fan boy ... lol.

flkiter
74 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 1:33AM
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eppo said..
don't get the wrong I love my axis gear but how much better are all these options making things ? Incremental or quantum jumps ? If not, why not have further prototype testing (with their so called "riders"until some real game changers are afoot. Less coin for consumers and they know they are moving into something far better. But I get it, the sport is changing rapidly and so is the differentiation.

anyhow enough uneducated moaning from me ...
what's the "black" series all about ?

and why is the black series "what you were waiting for " ?

using your past gear to compare. That info would be appreciated.

...smaller fuse head and thinner wings sounds a lot like the superior brand I was talking about. Again supporting my argument above..... last whine promise.


The guys at Axis figured out a way to make a great wave riding foil that has the ability to get up wind quickly with very little pressure in your hands while holding a wing. Plus it has really good low end speed so you don't need to be juiced up to be on a fast foil. So it's like ease of use and stability of a bigger surf foil with the speed of a race foil.

For me it's perfect cause I'm not going out for down winders so this allows me to get tons of runs in and stay up wind without using my energy up doing so.

Holoholo
94 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 2:57AM
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How about off the wing in the waves? I'm hoping this may have some application in the surf as a speed demon pumping monster.... kind of similar to the Lift HA 200. Hoping we see a 880 which I suppose would be similar to the Lift HA 170. Heaps of love for those out there.

flkiter
74 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 7:54AM
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Excellent off the wing. I think the down wind race guys are really going to like the 980. I get into ocean swell and just go forever with the wing behind me till I want to go back up wind.

Alysum
NSW, 630 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 11:28AM
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Anyone have some strava activities showing the speeds of the 980 ? Very keen to compare.

eppo
WA, 7606 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 11:21AM
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flkiter said..

eppo said..
don't get the wrong I love my axis gear but how much better are all these options making things ? Incremental or quantum jumps ? If not, why not have further prototype testing (with their so called "riders"until some real game changers are afoot. Less coin for consumers and they know they are moving into something far better. But I get it, the sport is changing rapidly and so is the differentiation.

anyhow enough uneducated moaning from me ...
what's the "black" series all about ?

and why is the black series "what you were waiting for " ?

using your past gear to compare. That info would be appreciated.

...smaller fuse head and thinner wings sounds a lot like the superior brand I was talking about. Again supporting my argument above..... last whine promise.



The guys at Axis figured out a way to make a great wave riding foil that has the ability to get up wind quickly with very little pressure in your hands while holding a wing. Plus it has really good low end speed so you don't need to be juiced up to be on a fast foil. So it's like ease of use and stability of a bigger surf foil with the speed of a race foil.

For me it's perfect cause I'm not going out for down winders so this allows me to get tons of runs in and stay up wind without using my energy up doing so.




ah that sounds ideal!! cheers.

Thatspec
WA, 47 posts
Wednesday , 25 Nov 2020 10:27PM
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Hey FL Kiter,
Tell us your all up weight please. I'm sure you've mentioned in a prior post but I've forgotten...

flkiter
74 posts
Thursday , 26 Nov 2020 12:25AM
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About 170 lbs 5'11", I ride a 90 liter 5'1 DWF board for winging. I had a guy on a 6'6" kalama yesterday and he's about 210 lbs and it was 15-20 knots and he loved it so they have solved great range.

Piros
QLD, 6036 posts
Thursday , 26 Nov 2020 11:39AM
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Just tested my new Black fuse & 980 with cut down flat rear . What a weapon .




mikesids
60 posts
Friday , 27 Nov 2020 2:23PM
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Hi Piros- what's the span on your cut down stabiliser, and how well did it match with the 980? Any issues / quirks ?

Piros
QLD, 6036 posts
Friday , 27 Nov 2020 7:12PM
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400mm probably go to 350mm the wings are solid no core on ends so just cut with hacksaw and light sand all done . I don't like big tails they are slower with a longer pump arc , plus when you are really lite larger tails plane up and cause a breach . You get get a shorter pumping arc with a shorter tail which creates more speed plus it turns much tighter . For DW or lighter wing ding days that's the only time I'd use a lager rear .

HBsups
71 posts
Saturday , 28 Nov 2020 7:02AM
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Piros - How about some more details on the 980's performance?! Don't leave us in suspense!

julzperth
WA, 4 posts
Saturday , 28 Nov 2020 10:05AM
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Hey guy's how does the 980 compare to the 1010? Or is it closure to the 860.
Just bought the 1010 maybe worth trading in for the 980 black series's ??

Thatspec
WA, 47 posts
Saturday , 28 Nov 2020 4:47PM
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Does anybody here have any pics, links or other info on the new larger sized HPS series 1050? Or the new 1300 which appears to be in the same series as the 910, 1010, 1150?

All I have to go on so far is this forum post from the German distributor.

oaseforum.de/showthread.php?p=1409818

Julzperth, the 1010 is an awesome wing. I would just use it and be happy (I will because I own one). At this point the performance increases are becoming so small compared to the price increases... It's like building up a lightweight bicycle, removing the last 250 grams costs thousands. It's interesting to see the bleeding edge of technology pushed but it's wasted on me, I can generally make anything work... ymmv

Piros
QLD, 6036 posts
Saturday , 28 Nov 2020 9:11PM
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julzperth said..
Hey guy's how does the 980 compare to the 1010? Or is it closure to the 860.
Just bought the 1010 maybe worth trading in for the 980 black series's ??





The 980 is a really high performance wing. It's built for speed and will match any of the really fast DW wings . Can't be compared to the 860 Surf wing. Comparing it to the 1010 it's got less low end lift but far greater speed and carry through the flats and carrying you over the bump in front. If you feel you can't get the start speed and lift out of the 1010 or you need to use the 1150 the 980 is not for you. It's for the guys that max out on the 1010 but you need more carry than the 900 , 910 or 1000 . The new Black Fuse connection means now Axis can make incredibly thin leading edges and narrower cord and that's where the party starts, it all about speed . If you have your pump game on the new Black wings are going to deliver serious speed and mega pump distances.

Big question do I buy the new Black fuse ?... I say yes it's only around $390 and it unleashes a whole new range of wings , tons more coming out and your old set up will still have it's place in low wind ding , plus Sup & prone days. The 980 is not the magic bullet to turn you into a pump downwind king , it takes some skill to ride and pump a super high aspect wing but it's where you want to be . Axis has delivered and the rest is up to you .

emmafoils
232 posts
Saturday , 28 Nov 2020 7:36PM
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Piros said..

julzperth said..
Hey guy's how does the 980 compare to the 1010? Or is it closure to the 860.
Just bought the 1010 maybe worth trading in for the 980 black series's ??





The 980 is a really high performance wing. It's built for speed and will match any of the really fast DW wings . Can't be compared to the 860 Surf wing. Comparing it to the 1010 it's got less low end lift but far greater speed and carry through the flats and carrying you over the bump in front. If you feel you can't get the start speed and lift out of the 1010 or you need to use the 1150 the 980 is not for you. It's for the guys that max out on the 1010 but you need more carry than the 900 , 910 or 1000 . The new Black Fuse connection means now Axis can make incredibly thin leading edges and narrower cord and that's where the party starts, it all about speed . If you have your pump game on the new Black wings are going to deliver serious speed and mega pump distances.

Big question do I buy the new Black fuse ?... I say yes it's only around $390 and it unleashes a whole new range of wings , tons more coming out and your old set up will still have it's place in low wind & Sup days. The 980 is not the magic bullet to turn you into a pump downwind king , it takes some skill to ride and pump a super high aspect wing but it's where you want to be . Axis has delivered and the rest is up to you .


Great post. Puts things in perspective nicely. For someone just starting DW paddling, what foil would you recommend? The 1020 or 1150?

broVan
22 posts
Sunday , 28 Nov 2020 11:16PM
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I just got my 980 but haven't ridden yet. Here are some comparison pics to the 1010 and the 1150.









Thatspec
WA, 47 posts
Sunday , 28 Nov 2020 11:56PM
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Nice shots Brovan, thanks! What's the thickness in cm of the 980?

Looking forward to seeing some real world numbers of average speeds while winging and/or downwinding.

Piros
QLD, 6036 posts
Sunday , 29 Nov 2020 9:00AM
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emmafoils said..

Piros said..


julzperth said..
Hey guy's how does the 980 compare to the 1010? Or is it closure to the 860.
Just bought the 1010 maybe worth trading in for the 980 black series's ??






The 980 is a really high performance wing. It's built for speed and will match any of the really fast DW wings . Can't be compared to the 860 Surf wing. Comparing it to the 1010 it's got less low end lift but far greater speed and carry through the flats and carrying you over the bump in front. If you feel you can't get the start speed and lift out of the 1010 or you need to use the 1150 the 980 is not for you. It's for the guys that max out on the 1010 but you need more carry than the 900 , 910 or 1000 . The new Black Fuse connection means now Axis can make incredibly thin leading edges and narrower cord and that's where the party starts, it all about speed . If you have your pump game on the new Black wings are going to deliver serious speed and mega pump distances.

Big question do I buy the new Black fuse ?... I say yes it's only around $390 and it unleashes a whole new range of wings , tons more coming out and your old set up will still have it's place in low wind & Sup days. The 980 is not the magic bullet to turn you into a pump downwind king , it takes some skill to ride and pump a super high aspect wing but it's where you want to be . Axis has delivered and the rest is up to you .



Great post. Puts things in perspective nicely. For someone just starting DW paddling, what foil would you recommend? The 1020 or 1150?


1150 has more early lift and control of the 1020 and much faster more efficient .

Youngbreezy
WA, 701 posts
Sunday , 29 Nov 2020 1:46PM
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1150 has more early lift and control of the 1020 and much faster more efficient .


Which will get foiling sooner on the wing ding, the 1010 or the 1020?



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