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Still learning Wind wing

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Created by Seajuice 26 days ago, 20 Sep 2019
baldy123
WA, 35 posts
6 Oct 2019 10:06PM
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Seajuice,

I started this new wing wang craze 3months back and now find it very natural and super fun in winds 12-30knots. I've windsurfed 20+ years and Suped 10+. Some tips that might help.

Foil Wing size
Get the biggest foil wing you can to learn. I've used the Axis 102 initially. Slow, stable with early lift. Handles higher wind speeds find, but top speed maxes out. The smaller 820 works fine in 20knots+ wind for me at 88kg.

Reading the wind
For starting in marginal conditions 15-20knots look for a gust when on the water. Dark patches, ripples. When you feel it pump the wing and board. If you don't get lifting in 20metres. Reset and try again in the next gust.

Handles
I use the 2nd from front and 3rd from back most of the time on the Naish 4m.

Board
Floaty and short.
I'm using a 125Litre, 6'8 Sunova.

Footstraps
I Learnt without.
However, I'm now using a front strap. I find this allows for more aggressive pumping up onto the foil and I like the locked on board feeling in higher winds.

Foot Position.
This is critical for the initial lift off I find to keep balanced.
Backfoot - on centreline over the foil.
Front foot - off centreline slightly towards the windward rail. Pointing 45 degrees forward, this is similar to windsurf stance. This is my preference.

Windspeed
Learning in 20knots or more
is easiest, unless riding the biggest foils. If you are struggling to find good conditions book a holiday to WA this summer. The sea breezes have just started to kick in....25knots all afternoon today.

Head protection
Recommended....I've gone over the front of the board at speed several times and been run over by my board and foil. No damage to Self
or Wing as yet, but things do change very fast even when you think you've got the hang of it.

Stick at it. I'm addicted...

Seajuice
NSW, 514 posts
7 Oct 2019 11:19AM
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Thanks Baldy123. I have been doing basically everything you suggested. So am happy I'm on track.
I have been a little tentative on the pumping though & need a little more on the wind speed.
My brain & muscle memory are seeming to come together. So hopefully I will have more confidence in future sessions. The smaller lighter board is responding better to the upwind. And the Windwing feels more tame just after the pump?
But so far the fun part has been zero due to falls, kicking submerged rocks with both feet & foil on my waist deep walk back to where I launched. So might just remove those 3 rocks one day at low tight.
But by the next day I am hangin for the challenge & know the fun will kick in when up & foiling.
Need more free time. Hate work!

azymuth
WA, 807 posts
7 Oct 2019 11:40AM
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baldy123 said..
Seajuice,

I started this new wing wang craze 3months back and now find it very natural and super fun in winds 12-30knots. I've windsurfed 20+ years and Suped 10+. Some tips that might help.

Foil Wing size
Get the biggest foil wing you can to learn. I've used the Axis 102 initially. Slow, stable with early lift. Handles higher wind speeds find, but top speed maxes out. The smaller 820 works fine in 20knots+ wind for me at 88kg.

Reading the wind
For starting in marginal conditions 15-20knots look for a gust when on the water. Dark patches, ripples. When you feel it pump the wing and board. If you don't get lifting in 20metres. Reset and try again in the next gust.

Handles
I use the 2nd from front and 3rd from back most of the time on the Naish 4m.

Board
Floaty and short.
I'm using a 125Litre, 6'8 Sunova.

Footstraps
I Learnt without.
However, I'm now using a front strap. I find this allows for more aggressive pumping up onto the foil and I like the locked on board feeling in higher winds.

Foot Position.
This is critical for the initial lift off I find to keep balanced.
Backfoot - on centreline over the foil.
Front foot - off centreline slightly towards the windward rail. Pointing 45 degrees forward, this is similar to windsurf stance. This is my preference.

Windspeed
Learning in 20knots or more
is easiest, unless riding the biggest foils. If you are struggling to find good conditions book a holiday to WA this summer. The sea breezes have just started to kick in....25knots all afternoon today.

Head protection
Recommended....I've gone over the front of the board at speed several times and been run over by my board and foil. No damage to Self
or Wing as yet, but things do change very fast even when you think you've got the hang of it.

Stick at it. I'm addicted...


Top tips Peter - I'd better give my SlingWing another airing soon

You looked smooth out there yesterday

maxa
SA, 54 posts
7 Oct 2019 2:35PM
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Reading all these posts with interest. Having just bought a 4m Naish wingsurfer with 2450 jet foil.
Tried for first time Saturday 10-18knts. Got on foil a couple times momentarily.
I am 95kg long time windsurfer and was hoping to foil with wing in under 20 knots, is this possible (without heaps of experience) on a 4m wing?
Would a 5m wing get me foiling in 5knts less wind?

juandesooka
282 posts
7 Oct 2019 1:41PM
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Seems like there's a fair amount of variation between brands and models, in low end power.

In kiting, there were some brands that had "an 8m, but it flies like a 10m" ... which were more or less misnamed. It seems that is pretty standardized now, an 8m is much the same brand to brand. Seems to be the same in windsurfing?

But in wings, one brand's 4.2m is reported to be stronger than another's 5m. There are 7m wings, but may not be stronger than others 6m's or possibly even 5m's. Seems to be shaking down still. There is a comparison chart someone posted, lists all the brands and the reported wind ranges. For the 5m I was on, supposed to work down to 15kt, but as a beginner, I needed more like 20 to get going comfortably. I figure the lower end will come with better technique. Though I want to chase the 10-15kt range, so a bigger wing is in order.

scubaste
WA, 189 posts
7 Oct 2019 7:04PM
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maxa said..
Reading all these posts with interest. Having just bought a 4m Naish wingsurfer with 2450 jet foil.
Tried for first time Saturday 10-18knts. Got on foil a couple times momentarily.
I am 95kg long time windsurfer and was hoping to foil with wing in under 20 knots, is this possible (without heaps of experience) on a 4m wing?
Would a 5m wing get me foiling in 5knts less wind?

Hi Maxa
I'm 95kgs on a 4m Wasp axis foil 1020 front wing 7'6" board or 6'2" 12knots easy to get on the foil, by pumping the board and wing, just bear off the wind onto a broard reach and pump, really not to much effort.
You will never get up on the foil with just the pull of the wing without pumping the board n wing unless it was
20+ knots.
Put it this way I used to ride a wave board with a 5m sail in 12+knots and that is on a planing hull.
So once you are up on the foil 4m is heaps.
Hope this gives you the bit of hope you need

MidAtlanticFoil
16 posts
8 Oct 2019 4:19AM
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Recent ride stats (4 W's: Wind speed, Wing Size, Weight, foil Wing size)

Wind: 13-17knts
Wing: 4.2M Slingwing
Weight: 65kg
Foil Wing: 1550HS Armstrong
Board: 100Ltr 5'10" board
Session: #3
Background: prone foiling for 1.5yrs

With two 1 mile downwinding sessions on the 4.2M under my belt, I decided to launch next to a few windsurfers who were going back and forth along a rocky shoreline with only a small beach to launch from on one end (6M sails I believe). Able to walk out to chest deep water around 20 meters from the rocks and quickly get up with the wind at my back heading along the shoreline. Quickly caught a gust and was up on foil with a few pumps. I rode the whole shoreline, around a kilometer up on foil, trying to figure out how to stay upwind and not fly into the rocks. It was pretty easy and I even made it upwind some. It was a blast and the side chop / 2 foot waves made it interesting to say the least. Managed not to over-foil, but it was close a few times.

Coming back, toeside facing the wind, I was not able to get up on foil and ended up just slogging back, trying to keep up wind as much as possible. Going back heelside, I guess the wind died and I wasn't able to get up, so I slogged out and back once more. By the end my left shoulder was cooked, felt like a permanent cramp in the back of my shoulder (which has finally subsided two days later).

My situation was tough due to the hazardous shoreline, so I couldn't bear off the wind into a broad reach as Scubaste recommends. I hope to find a good side/onshore spot to get this more dialed in.

DaHammerBDA
23 posts
8 Oct 2019 10:08PM
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Fourth session for me as well on a Naish 4M / 110 L board / GoFoil Maliko / 75kg. Wind 15kts - 20kts w/higher gusts. SUP foil for over a year. No problems heel side could go for miles. The struggle is real when I turn around and try and ride switch or toe side, experimenting with both to try and figure out which way is easier. I kind of get up on the foil but all the body mechanics are either reversed or backwards and I crash and burn, no fun. Hoping its a muscle memory thing and I will get the hang of it because riding heel side is so much fun.

bigtone667
NSW, 1075 posts
Wednesday , 9 Oct 2019 7:54AM
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DaHammerBDA said..
Fourth session for me as well on a Naish 4M / 110 L board / GoFoil Maliko / 75kg. Wind 15kts - 20kts w/higher gusts. SUP foil for over a year. No problems heel side could go for miles. The struggle is real when I turn around and try and ride switch or toe side, experimenting with both to try and figure out which way is easier. I kind of get up on the foil but all the body mechanics are either reversed or backwards and I crash and burn, no fun. Hoping its a muscle memory thing and I will get the hang of it because riding heel side is so much fun.


Having a decent amount of wind helped me nut it out. I struggled when there was only 15 knots, but killed it when there was 25 knots.

MidAtlanticFoil
16 posts
Wednesday , 9 Oct 2019 8:51AM
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I just ordered a 2400 cm Army wing and a f-one Swing 5m. I reckon I should be good at 8 knots on the low end with that combo at 65 kgs! Will report back.

hilly
WA, 4849 posts
Wednesday , 9 Oct 2019 1:37PM
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MidAtlanticFoil said..
I just ordered a 2400 cm Army wing and a f-one Swing 5m. I reckon I should be good at 8 knots on the low end with that combo at 65 kgs! Will report back.

2400 is great to learn on. Really stable I can foil on goofy tack as well. Stoked.

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
Wednesday , 9 Oct 2019 7:33PM
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Pretty epic session downwind on the Ding today Snapper to North Burleigh . 20 to 25 kts SE which is our rare golden breeze here . Was on my JP 6-8x 26 -96 litres which is far from ideal in those strong winds , restarting was tough a wider board would have been better but I dealt with it , max speed 36.7km , max heart rate 188 , average 144 , which is really for me so I was working pretty hard. Was on my 90 Axis 1277cm2 it was awesome . The Duotone 4m was a handful at times it really is a powerful wing but tough I ran over it about 10 times .

The 90 Axis was the perfect wing for these conditions anything bigger and I would have blown out instantly . I was doing some big carving turns in the troughs and all my prone riding was a big help but my limited Downwind time in the ocean caught me out a few times . Still a lot to learn and need to tune my skills on wing placement when I'm on high speed runners. Hard day but heaps of fun .

Seajuice
NSW, 514 posts
Thursday , 11 Oct 2019 1:57AM
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Got stuff Piros.
I believe you needed the 75-80cm mast too for those conditions?
And yeah the 6ft 8" x 26" wide board is hard enough in choppy swirly surf without a wing. So going to take me a while to learn DW on that!
Hoping that my wider heavier board will work going down a wind wave with wind to help me get the speed needed on either the Neilpryde large or medium foil? But that's a long way away yet. Absolutely loving the SUP foil surfing at the moment. only trouble is my 59 year old body seizes up after a 3 to 4 hour session.

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 6:45AM
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Yes I had the 75 mast , I was riding my std prone set up . 75 mast , short fuse , 90 front , 400 rear wings . I tried straps previous session but took them off . I really don't like them but yes they definitely help to pump up on the foil BUT I just don't foil with my feet on the centre line of the board , so they just feel wrong. When you are riding in nuking winds your feet are constantly shifting , maybe in calmer waters for low wind days they could be a bonus. Next run I'll try the NP large.

Surlygringo
3 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 2:46AM
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Foil Colorado, where are you located? I am in Boulder and am selling a 7m wing which is a big help in getting up on the foil in high altitude(less dense air and water) conditions.

juandesooka
282 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 4:58AM
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Surlygringo said..
Foil Colorado, where are you located? I am in Boulder and am selling a 7m wing which is a big help in getting up on the foil in high altitude(less dense air and water) conditions.


I sent you a pm/email surlygringo

tightlines
WA, 3202 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 7:26PM
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First go at our normal local downwind run in around 18 knots.
A few runs with the wing should fast track my foil downwinding with a paddle.

5mtr Duotone, 6'8 ONE and 102 Axis wing.



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tightlines
WA, 3202 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 10:31PM
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