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The Gong Wings

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Created by colas Two weeks ago, 28 Sep 2019
colas
3417 posts
28 Sep 2019 3:20AM
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Since there is not yet a topic dedicated to the Gong wings, here is one.

Starting with a preview of the next Wing generation, the "plus" (the current one is the 5th generation and was the first one in production, this will be the 6th)
- more powerful
- a stabler, leaner foil profile
- windows

And, as you can see, Patrice loves 360s, not only on a longboard :-)

Seajuice
NSW, 513 posts
28 Sep 2019 10:09AM
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That's magic! I'm the guy with the green wing in the water that can't even get it up. Might need viagra before my next session. Haaa!
Nice wind foiling Patrice.

tightlines
WA, 3201 posts
28 Sep 2019 9:13AM
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Cool, I'm going to have to have a crack at a 360, that looks easy.






I said LOOKS easy......

colas
3417 posts
28 Sep 2019 1:58PM
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A neat trick I saw to store the battens: use 2 bits of gardening hose:

JEG
VIC, 1266 posts
28 Sep 2019 6:49PM
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His ripping as usual colas. I like that new gong wing and best value compare to others.

colas
3417 posts
28 Sep 2019 5:03PM
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Thanks JEG. I cannot judge if it is true, having never tried any wing, but I must say it seems quite likely based on the other Gong products I know. (disclaimer: I am a Gong ambassador).

Continuing with centralized info on the Gong wing, here is a word of caution from Patrice: Wings are much lighter than windsurfing sails because they are much less reinforced, so do not expect them to survive what a windsurfing sail can go through. (plus landing on the foil will probably rip them, so let the wing go early in falls so it gets far away from the board)

The advice I always give to beginners : let go of your Wing.

If you cling to the Wing when it stuck in the water, it will bend. This fold will reduce the volume of the Leading Edge and increase the internal pressure. It's not good for your Wing.
If you force it more, the pressure will increase and the Bladder will explode.

The last one I saw starting without heeding this advice took 30 seconds to explode his Wing. End of game! And yet our Wings are solid !!!

So even if everything can be repaired, admit that it's still easier to let go as soon as it gets stuck rather than pulling and tugging on it ...

If your Wing gets stuck in the water, it is because you do not applicate the principle umbrella / screen : vertical hands / horizontal hands.
Your hands should NEVER be at the same height : the back hand should be lower than the front hand.

If your Wing gets caught in the water it means that you have your hands at the same height. If you force it, either you press the back hand and the Leading Edge will fold over until you break it. Either you try to raise your hand before the Wing sticks in the water and goes under the Board : or forget it baby ...

You must RELEASE your wing at the slightest alert.

80% of those who break and that will break Wings will do it like that or in a frontal.
So do not say: I did not force, I hardly tugged, I did not realize etc etc etc . RELEASE the Wing and start again.

As for the argument of the sewing that is loose or poorly done and that would be the fault or cause : it's false!
Obviously it's the seam that will give out because when you bend the Leading Edge, the first breakage will be at the seam since it is a succession of holes in the fabric. I read something like "the tear follows the dots". Which is Obvious !!! The place where the fabric is the weakest is at the seams, especially if you bend them at 90? with an excess of pressure.

So I'd like us to use common sense and do what we do: let go of your Wings if you find yoursef in trouble :

Clamsmasha
WA, 105 posts
28 Sep 2019 7:48PM
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Great to watch. Patrice brings a unique style to winging.

It brought back this clip, from the no stab thread.....

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Would be a good mashup with a wing I reckon.

juandesooka
282 posts
28 Sep 2019 11:13PM
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Ok I'll say it.

I have struggled with my gong wing relative to others on other brands. The offline whispers I am hearing are that in side by side tests, other models like ozone and fone have noticeably more power.

Now with V6 released just 2 months after v5, to me this seems to be mounting evidence v5 is a flop.

With the rush to market I figured market leaders would quickly emerge....and since price may not be the prediction for which works best I figured optimum is to go with cheapest. I knew smart money was to wait...but got sucked in by Stoke and hype.

I appreciate gong ethos and the price quality package but this kinda leaves a sour taste about the brand to be frank. Releasing a new and improved model next year is a lot different than releasing it 8 weeks after launch. That's disappointing.

Sorry to be negative but there it is

pitbulldoug
7 posts
29 Sep 2019 2:12AM
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juandesooka said..
Ok I'll say it.

I have struggled with my gong wing relative to others on other brands. The offline whispers I am hearing are that in side by side tests, other models like ozone and fone have noticeably more power.

Now with V6 released just 2 months after v5, to me this seems to be mounting evidence v5 is a flop.

With the rush to market I figured market leaders would quickly emerge....and since price may not be the prediction for which works best I figured optimum is to go with cheapest. I knew smart money was to wait...but got sucked in by Stoke and hype.

I appreciate gong ethos and the price quality package but this kinda leaves a sour taste about the brand to be frank. Releasing a new and improved model next year is a lot different than releasing it 8 weeks after launch. That's disappointing.

Sorry to be negative but there it is


Yeah that sucks,I actually ordered a 7m recently which I never received yet lost in customs here in the states, or something not sure if it will ever show at this point,guess that's another long story.But have to agree to a extent,wish they woulda given me a heads up on a new better version coming shortly??wish the big kite companies would start making a 6-7m wings here quickly as I have a 4m naish which is only good with my weight 225lb in 20-30mph Naish definitely missed the mark on there sizing.Getting my wing from France here is proving a real tough crapshoot,hope shipping to Australia is little easier

juandesooka
282 posts
29 Sep 2019 9:24AM
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I'm sure it'll get there.
Guy on another forum said he has 7m gong and I think 4m ozone. Said the 7m definitely has a lower end, down to 10kt. So it'll be good.

Though yes...im unsure about selling inventory of old stuff at full price when the new better one is so close. People can choose to get it now or wait, if they know what's up.

scotty100
QLD, 190 posts
29 Sep 2019 12:17PM
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Made by hipsters for hipsters haha, still can't see me trading my kites in yet, but I did say yet?? it's still a young sport. I also said I never want to foil and now spend 3 - 4 hours a day on foils of some type

colas
3417 posts
29 Sep 2019 1:04PM
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Patrice wrote this morning:

"Ne comptez pas sur moi pour ralentir. Je suis avant toute chose un creatif, un inventeur.
Mon role chez GONG est de proposer de meilleures solutions pour vous. Et dans la wing il va y avoir des nouveaut?s tous les deux mois pendant un bon moment parce qu'? chaque fois que j'ai un meilleur produit, je vous le propose."

i.e: "Don't count on me to slow down the rythm of progression. I am first a creative inventor. My role at Gong is to come up with better solutions for you. And there will be news in the wings every two months for a good while because each time I have a better product I offer it to you"

He published that he was working on this new sail in the forum in July, and there was already another one in the works. And this is really the Gong philosophy, at some periods even the boards evolve slightly in each container, every 2 months (often subtle changes in rail, foil, rocker)Note that the 2 models are like the foil wings normal and "pro":

You can see that the old model wasnt discounted when the new one appeared, because each has its advantages, and the old one is still better for some uses, e.g. beginners. This new "plus" wing apparently does not spill as much wind in gusts, OK it is better for advanced people, but it also means it will pull harder in the arms, and will be more tiring and perhaps need more pilot handling to control, so the "old" wings may still be better for beginners.

PS: I made a typo, the current one is V4, the plus is V5, and the V6 is already in tests... and there will be a V7, V8, ... A bit like computer gear some years ago, if you waited for the next generation, you could wait indefinitely. WInging is a young sport and Gong is an innovative company, thats is part of its appeal, and why it has so many followers. Others brands may have obey the marketing dpt and sit on old designs rather than release the new one when ready. What is better?

PS2: Note also that there is some kind of "co-evolution" at work. The riders evolve also, and it is normal that gear evolves also to go with this technical evolution of early adopters. No amount of closed beta testing can prepare you to it. As the famous PonoBill just said on the US forum, "Everything we are playing with is V1. Most of this stuff will be as dated as a two-line kite in a year or so. You want to get on the Ferris Wheel early, you gotta pay. "

colas
3417 posts
30 Sep 2019 3:04PM
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More explanations on the differences between the normal wing and the "plus" by Patrice:

the Wing Plus gives you an early take off, sometime 5 knots earlier than on the Wing. It is really efficient for big boys like me. For light weight, the take off is not 5 knots earlier because they already take off early.

On the opposite side of the range, the extra power of the Wing Plus decrease the top range about the same 5 knots. But the Wing Plus is more efficient in the high range.
The Wing will open a lot on the trailing edge. It is its design, because for beginners we wanted something super easy to handle, not too hard on arms. Of course the Wing Plus is more hard to handle for a long time. But you can use a harness if needed.

The fact that we have more power brings us more ability for modern moves. Jumps of course but also many more tricks.

No other difference.

juandesooka
282 posts
Tuesday , 8 Oct 2019 12:54PM
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Sold my gong 5m. I figure the 7m better fits what I am after but I will wait to see how the new pro version stacks up against the big brands in low end capabilities and price / value. Will look forward to reviews once they are in the hands of riders.

sweats
74 posts
Tuesday , 8 Oct 2019 2:25PM
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I have a 7M Gong wing plus on pre order to add to my 4 and 5M Duotones. I started with the 4M and have slowly gone bigger in my quest to fly in lower winds. Keeping my fingers crossed with the 7M Gong.

warwickl
NSW, 1249 posts
Tuesday , 8 Oct 2019 5:37PM
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I love a company that continually improves it's product short term and not annually.
Hope Gong does not change it's approach.

sweats
74 posts
Tuesday , 8 Oct 2019 3:20PM
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Yes Gong are amazingly reactive in their development.

bigtone667
NSW, 1071 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 8:16AM
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This is my initial experience....

I ordered a 7m gong to supplement my 5m duotone. It took about 7 days from ordering to arrival. Arrived in a nice little kite style bag with two batons. Quality looks great.

Unpacked the beast, installed the batons and pumped it up. Only negatives is the requirement to have a screw-in adapter for a bayonet pump connection, and the main strut is slow to fill and empty. Not big deals.

I added a 7m gong to the wing quiver (on the basis that duotone do not have one). It is much smoother in a general behaviour than the duotone, but it is BIG..... I dropped the leading edge under the front of the board a few times.

The weight is okay. I winged about 8km on and off the foil before I noticed it.

I constantly fight duotone when holding onto the front grab handle, whereas the gong just sits still and gently floats on the air. Very nice to handle.

I took it out in 10 to 18 knots.

Without getting up on the wing, i had no issues staying upwind. The wing sails well.

There was not enough consistent wind to simple be pulled up onto the foil, so I had to pump the wing and foil. The wing produces a lot of power (not as immediately direct as the duotone) but more than enough to pop up onto the foil. I found the best result came from using hand hold 2 for the front hand when pumping before moving my hand to hand hold 1 once I was up.

Once up, the gong just rides really nicely. It is smooth. I had no troubles gybing. It was a very pleasant experience.

Overall, it reminds me a lot of the naish in look and behaviour.

I still prefer the boom of the duotone over handles as hand movements require no major thought.

I am looking forward to running the duotone 5m and gong 7m side by side. I think it will be like a japanese sports bike versus a harley.

Happy to have the gong.

DWF
128 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 7:19AM
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I don't think the Gong needs the battens. I never install them.

juandesooka
282 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 8:58AM
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Thanks bigtone. I am considering the 7m pro. But may wait for reviews first.

bigtone667
NSW, 1071 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 12:26PM
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DWF said..
I don't think the Gong needs the battens. I never install them.


I was going to take them out and try it without and/or make my self a long tube sleeve to slip the rolled wing into (so I can just leave them in).

bigtone667
NSW, 1071 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 12:27PM
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juandesooka said..
Thanks bigtone. I am considering the 7m pro. But may wait for reviews first.


The wing is whatever they released in neon red two weeks ago. 7m something.

juandesooka
282 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 12:04PM
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bigtone667 said..

DWF said..
I don't think the Gong needs the battens. I never install them.



I was going to take them out and try it without and/or make my self a long tube sleeve to slip the rolled wing into (so I can just leave them in).


I found an old kite bag, with a long extended pouch, so you can leave the struts inflated. I think same bag as windsurf sails. Works well, you can just leave them in.

re: 7m...Gong is releasing a new version in November, with windows and stronger low end.

bigtone667
NSW, 1071 posts
Friday , 11 Oct 2019 7:34PM
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juandesooka said..

bigtone667 said..


DWF said..
I don't think the Gong needs the battens. I never install them.




I was going to take them out and try it without and/or make my self a long tube sleeve to slip the rolled wing into (so I can just leave them in).



I found an old kite bag, with a long extended pouch, so you can leave the struts inflated. I think same bag as windsurf sails. Works well, you can just leave them in.

re: 7m...Gong is releasing a new version in November, with windows and stronger low end.


IMO, Windows are beneficial for anything larger than 5m.

Naranek
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Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 3:13PM
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colas said..
If you cling to the Wing when it stuck in the water, it will bend. This fold will reduce the volume of the Leading Edge and increase the internal pressure. It's not good for your Wing.
If you force it more, the pressure will increase and the Bladder will explode.


Sounds like they need to install a relief valve to the bladder.

colas
3417 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 5:22PM
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IMO, Windows are beneficial for anything larger than 5m.


I think it mostly depends on the crowd. You do not need windows if you wing alone, but if you are likely to cross the path of others while jibing, windows will be useful.

hilly
WA, 4840 posts
Saturday , 12 Oct 2019 7:58PM
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colas said..

bigtone667 said..
IMO, Windows are beneficial for anything larger than 5m.



I think it mostly depends on the crowd. You do not need windows if you wing alone, but if you are likely to cross the path of others while jibing, windows will be useful.


My windows in my doutone are useless. Just add weight.

colas
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Sunday , 13 Oct 2019 12:52AM
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hilly said..
My windows in my doutone are useless. Just add weight.



You may want them to look for incoming dolphins

juandesooka
282 posts
Sunday , 13 Oct 2019 1:21AM
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hilly said..

colas said..


bigtone667 said..
IMO, Windows are beneficial for anything larger than 5m.




I think it mostly depends on the crowd. You do not need windows if you wing alone, but if you are likely to cross the path of others while jibing, windows will be useful.



My windows in my doutone are useless. Just add weight.


I would like to have a window -- if nothing else to get some advance warning of my kite foiling buddies about to buzz me while I am slowly slogging in too light wind. It may be this is somewhat a beginner thing, once up on foil more consistently you have more capability to lift the wing to see what's coming.

Seems to be mixed reaction to windows in the market, but Gong adding them to their new model tells me that more like them than not. Adding them isn't so much correcting an error, as it is a design choice that maybe turns out not to be what the market prefers. Same for low-end power capabilities, other wings are reported to have better light-wind performance, and Gong is now chasing this market with the Plus wings -- but of course, more low-end power has to come with the cost of a lower high-end ceiling. Just like kiting: there are specialty kites to chase low wind or high wind, there are all-rounders that benefit on one side at cost of the other, but the all-rounder that does everything the best is a marketing myth (and a continued subject of well-deserved online scorn).

But I digress! I like windows. :-)

Camarillo
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Sunday , 13 Oct 2019 3:21AM
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colas said..
I cannot judge if it is true, having never tried any wing, but I must say it seems quite likely based on the other Gong products I know. (disclaimer: I am a Gong ambassador).


Phew, you sound like an expert!!

bigtone667
NSW, 1071 posts
Sunday , 13 Oct 2019 6:28AM
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Day two on the 7m gong in 10 to 15 knots.

I decided to try a Naish 125 litre and Naish 150 litre boards to see if size made a difference. The bigger board was so so easy to unstick from the water and pump onto the wing. Downside was turns were slow due to the additional length and swing weight.

I also found that the primo starting hand positions for me were the second loop from the front and fourth loop from the end. Once going, I would occasionally move my front hand to first loop to lessen arm pressure and improve my upwind angle.

The first session was without the battons. The wing flies fine but is noisy when the wing luffs. At this moment, I cannot tell if the battons improve performance or not.



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