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Created by bomberdave 6 months ago, 11 May 2019
bomberdave
VIC, 210 posts
18 Jun 2019 1:07PM
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Could this be the ultimate go to allrounder for weight and age challenged ... frothing at the dims

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JEG
VIC, 1355 posts
18 Jun 2019 1:14PM
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bomberdave said..
Could this be the ultimate go to allrounder for weight and age challenged ... frothing at the dims

gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box1707/Products/GON9SUPFREAK92PRO125



nice and only if Gong can get boards to Oz?

colas
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18 Jun 2019 12:43PM
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Could this be the ultimate go to allrounder for weight and age challenged ... frothing at the dims

gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box1707/Products/GON9SUPFREAK92PRO125



I am sure you can find similar shapes in OZ.

The freak is a modern longboard shape: a longboard planshape with modern rails and rocker to allow carving turns, as opposed to the stall-and-pivot turns of retro boards. It is also designed for easy handling in turns, in that it lifts naturally the nose when turning, keeping things smooth and all options open, whereas a shape like the Zero would project the nose into the turn for max acceleration but will need more commitment.

I think a lot of quality brands available in OZ have something similar in their lines, especially now that "10 feet and over" movement have put these boards in the spotlight. Although, yes, the Freak is based on the famous "NFA" shape that Patrice Guenole has been honing for more than a decade.

tarrm
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29 Jun 2019 6:59PM
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Colas. I too have an Alley 8.1 120L.

I started off 119kg now down to 111kg. Board works well for my weight and I find standing close to center helps with the stability.

The board surfs very well and is manageable in choppy conditions if you find the sweet spot.

I got a second choice one like you but am concerned about the weight of the board. I read yours was 7.7kg. Mine weighs 9.2kg with wet grip pad and fins.

colas
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30 Jun 2019 12:12PM
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Colas. I too have an Alley 8.1 120L.

I started off 119kg now down to 111kg. Board works well for my weight and I find standing close to center helps with the stability.

The board surfs very well and is manageable in choppy conditions if you find the sweet spot.

I got a second choice one like you but am concerned about the weight of the board. I read yours was 7.7kg. Mine weighs 9.2kg with wet grip pad and fins.


Yup, the sweet spot is farther aft compared to boards with wider noses, once you find it this board is surprisingly stable. But managing the 120l at 119kg requires some skill, kudos! I was also surprised by its paddling speed, pointy noses are really faster, and the fast front rocker helps.

It is hard to compare weights of wet boards, the amount of water can vary greatly. It is best to weight them with a dry pad and no fins (or know the weight of your fins: the orange quobba thruster set is 250g for instance) so that you have a reliable figure, especially to compare with later if you suspect that a ding may not be waterproof.

I must say that mine at 7.7kg (dry pad, no fins) was kind of semi-second choice, not as heavy as some second choice. I will get a regular weight one when available (mid-July) and also a 7'8" 105 l for my 100kg, it seems doable. Weight is not really an issue in decent waves, but it makes the board less lively in small waves.

tarrm
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12 Jul 2019 10:52PM
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When will the regular weighted 120 or 105L Alleys be available? On their site it has not date now.

colas
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13 Jul 2019 11:35AM
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When will the regular weighted 120 or 105L Alleys be available? On their site it has not date now.


The date on the site is the one you get when you order them. No date means that the planned containers are currently all pre-sold (first one should land next week). Just mail Gong to get an estimate date - if they have one - for the next shipments and/or try to secure a pre-order, or just register on their web pages to be notified when they become orderable again.

Lone
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Tuesday , 3 Dec 2019 12:03AM
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Hi guys, I guess I have the same problem to register in the gong forum. I've tried twice but there is no way.

The point is that I?m thinking of buying a new board, and I?ve seen the Karmen, but I?m doubting between the FSP version and the Pro Second Choice, which has an unbeatable price, I do not know if that increase of weight will be too much noticeable. I am also in doubt with the volume, between 95 or 105 liters. I currently have a Fanatic Allwave LTD 7?11 110L, and sometimes I feel it's too much volume for me. If It serve as a reference, I weight 85 kg, I measure 1'80 m and I live in C?diz, in southern Spain, where many days of surfing are windy. Thank you

surfinJ
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Tuesday , 3 Dec 2019 12:50AM
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I have a friend here with a Karmen and he is very pleased with the stability. Not sure of the exact size but it looks sweet and sturdy.

colas
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Tuesday , 3 Dec 2019 2:51PM
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Hi guys, I guess I have the same problem to register in the gong forum. I've tried twice but there is no way.

The point is that I?m thinking of buying a new board, and I?ve seen the Karmen, but I?m doubting between the FSP version and the Pro Second Choice, which has an unbeatable price, I do not know if that increase of weight will be too much noticeable. I am also in doubt with the volume, between 95 or 105 liters. I currently have a Fanatic Allwave LTD 7?11 110L, and sometimes I feel it's too much volume for me. If It serve as a reference, I weight 85 kg, I measure 1'80 m and I live in C?diz, in southern Spain, where many days of surfing are windy. Thank you




For registering the trick is to register, and immediately send them an email (info@gongsup.com) mentioning the nickname you created and that you are really a human being not a scammer.
They are deluged with fake registration and sometimes are too quick to dismiss registrations, especially from foreign users.

First, the Pro are genuinely full carbon, and although the gain in dynamism is impressive, the drawback is that it comes with less dampening of the chop, so it may not be the best option in windy conditions. Although mine have no paddle marks and will resist to the heaviest wipeouts, they will ding if you drop them on concrete, even by just a foot. The FSP is a real full PVC glass sandwich, as impact resistant as the best constructions out there, and the new FSP 2X construction is even 15% lighter, and even tougher with improved fiber layout. So I would recommend the new FSP 2X construction: extra tough with a quite a light weight. But the Pro will give you more performance if you are ready to be careful on land with it.

The increase of weight will help for stability in chop, but will be less nimble for vertical agressive surfing.

The Karmen is the all-around shape, and the NFA the one if you are into noserides. The Mob is stabler, geared for smaller waves, but slower to paddle, so needs a bit more knowledge in wave placement than the Karmen. But if you alkready ride a 7'11" with 85kg it should be OK for you.
For windy conditions, I think you should stay the the 105 liters versions. The Karmen is a dream to put on the rail (very different from an Allwave), and can tolerate a bit of extra volume with ease.

For the ultimate in vertical surfing, the Fatal (slower waves) or the Alley (faster waves) are the solution. You could get the Fatal in 95 liters, but the Alley being less stable would be better at 105l. For my 95/100kg I use a 105l Fatal but a 120l Alley. My 105l Alley is much more tiring and quite hard with wind, so I only use it in glassy hollow conditions.

Lone
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Wednesday , 3 Dec 2019 11:00PM
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Thanks surfinJ and colas. Have you ever ridden one of these second choice boards? is there any significant difference with the regular ones? I really like the carbon construction.

colas
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Wednesday , 4 Dec 2019 2:37PM
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Thanks surfinJ and colas. Have you ever ridden one of these second choice boards? is there any significant difference with the regular ones? I really like the carbon construction.






Yes, I have. I got one of the first Alley Pro available as a second choice (the first batch was too heavy, but i wanted to try the shape). You can trust the weight on the web page, and if not listed mail them to get it.
It weighted 7.76kg for a 8'1" 120 l with pad but no fins, so not too bad, similar to the normal Pro weights of 2017/2018.. But I replaced it by the same one, when production was stabilized, and it weighted 5,83kg with pad. I also got a Alley 7'8" 105 l at 5,20kg, (which means that it should weight less than 5kg without pad - really impressive for a tough carbon sandwich board)

In "normal use" the weight is not a big problem. The heavier board was actually stabler, and have more glide and smoothness in turns. The lighter one shines when you pump to accelerate, try to surf vertical, and go full on towards the lip in critical sections and must whip the board around quickly on the top turn. It is also especially noticeable in weak waves.

The weight gain is by using tricks to have less resin wasted, notably into the blank, so although I didn't ding either (and I do not use rail savers), it is possible that the extra resin on the heavier models makes them a tiny bit more impact resistant.

Carbon is great in boards, yes. I have a friend that got a light custom made, a beautiful light board, but non-sandwich pure glass, and was disappointed, he missed the response of the carbon... plus it folded in half quickly. But the full PVC sandwich of the FSP or FSP2X is great, similar in feeling to JL boards, but not as responsive as carbon boards... but better in chop. Gong pro team rider, Moritz Mausch, tend to travel with an Alley Pro for glassy conditions and a Karmen FSP for bumpy/choppy ones.

colas
3504 posts
Thursday , 5 Dec 2019 1:02AM
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Moritz on his Karmen FSP2X has invited Simon with his NFA FSP2X to come test his home spot in the Canaries...



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