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How can you SUP surf a 5" thickness board ??

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Created by anchorpoint Two weeks ago, 30 Mar 2021
anchorpoint
158 posts
30 Mar 2021 3:44AM
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Ok , short story...went out today with my old, old Naish Hokua 9'1x32" 150 liters for fun and to get her a sea blessing ...one of my first board long time ago... didnt use it for a long time since then i went to 110 liters , 120 ish liters boards from sunova , infinity,starboard,F-one,fanatic etc...Didnt use this board for years...and i mean years...I simply hated it today ...not because of the shape (i think its in essence a good shape) or the brand (i have another naish that i love...) but 5" thickness ......how on earth can you dig this rail ? i mean its not a tug its a boat....It made me realize that i hated bulky rails ....4.5" for me is already too much IMHO...I would prefer today a 10' with sliiim rails than a 8' shortboard with 4.5" or 5" rails....its not surfing , its skating...Dont know what you think about that, interested to hear other opinions...

slsurf
48 posts
30 Mar 2021 5:53AM
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how much do you weigh? I briefly tried one of the old hokuas in small gutless surf but I think it was a 9'6 or more so probably thinner than what you describe. Even as a lightweight I thought it was pretty fun for longboard style rides just cruising down the line, I could catch the smallest bump so early. It worked way better than the big learner board I had at the time which was 8'10.

In general though I agree I like to get the rails in there especially in waves with some push I hate not being able to feel the wave or carve to get some control and tighten my turn. I think going longer is a good way to spread the volume and keep a reasonable rail, but it looks like this years trend is more volume for a given outline.

supthecreek
2182 posts
30 Mar 2021 12:01PM
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I agree that going back to thick rails is a non starter.
My buddy had an old 9'2 that I used to love, so we swapped in the line-up for a few waves.
So corky, I could hardly even stand on it.... when I tried to throw a turn, it felt like a barge.

BUT.... thickness and volume don't have to equal thick rails.

My GenRation Wedge is 9'2 x 32' at 167 liters------ 5 5/8" thick
But by using "S" rails, there is plenty of volume in the deck, but the rails are low performance rails (pic)
I get lots of comfortable volume in a board that will lay down a harder and crisper turn than I could ever throw.
It's more about design than mere numbers.

These boards were designed to win on the world tour, by guys who want to float at their ankles... while all the competition is sunk to their waist.

It's the board I used on the biggest day in my recent "5 Days" video.
Totally awesome..... and thick

But it should be ridden at the smallest you can manage, or it will be corky.
My 9'5 was too much volume for me.
The 9'2 is fine for me, but I could go smaller.





anchorpoint
158 posts
30 Mar 2021 1:02PM
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supthecreek said..
I agree that going back to thick rails is a non starter.
My buddy had an old 9'2 that I used to love, so we swapped in the line-up for a few waves.
So corky, I could hardly even stand on it.... when I tried to throw a turn, it felt like a barge.

BUT.... thickness and volume don't have to equal thick rails.

My GenRation Wedge is 9'2 x 32' at 167 liters------ 5 5/8" thick
But by using "S" rails, there is plenty of volume in the deck, but the rails are low performance rails (pic)
I get lots of comfortable volume in a board that will lay down a harder and crisper turn than I could ever throw.
It's more about design than mere numbers.

These boards were designed to win on the world tour, by guys who want to float at their ankles... while all the competition is sunk to their waist.

It's the board I used on the biggest day in my recent "5 Days" video.
Totally awesome..... and thick

But it should be ridden at the smallest you can manage, or it will be corky.
My 9'5 was too much volume for me.
The 9'2 is fine for me, but I could go smaller.





Yep Rick..i think stepped rails is a way ...i can see the wedge has some like the infinity blurr v2, other option is beveled rails..both have their issues and bring something different...

Tardy
3948 posts
30 Mar 2021 2:17PM
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since I've had the new flow ...the rails make it feel way smaller on a wave ,it feels as small as my 120 litre 8,7 flow which was too small for me .

I don't think I could go back to thick rails again ...its like going back in time ..

colas
4143 posts
30 Mar 2021 2:51PM
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Thick rails can be super fun... for small waves (less than chest high). But you need the proper fin setup.

Basically, rails with volume prevents the board from sinking too much in slow waves, and thus allow to crank full carving rail turns with minimal drag. But you need big front fins (twin fins size or keels) to anchor the rail on its trajectory, otherwise any drift will generate too much drag and kill the speed.

The feeling is exhilarating, you feel like zipping on a rollercoaster with no drag. I had a session where a good teenager was struggling with his performance thin SUP, where I was carving all around the place on my 6'10" 120l with high volume rails. I also enjoy my 7'3" 105l with thin rails in small surf, but you need to surf if differently, more like a shortboard by pumping it in turns rather than swooping carves.

And it needs a short board: A longer rail makes it harder to properly use the rail in turns in slow waves, as they tend to have wider natural turn radiuses.

Note that of course high volume rails must be well shaped to perform well. Just basic round rails wont work. See how the rails are "pinched" on my thick 6'10":
(I have Al Merrick twins in front and Tom Carroll rears, the smallest in the FCS line)

Kisutch
26 posts
31 Mar 2021 10:29AM
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Love watching Colas surf!



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