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The paddle difference on a 10'er

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Created by Nugdam Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019
Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 4:33PM
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Just curious as to how much people actually notice a difference paddling a 10 x 29-30 longboard? Been checking out the smik hipsters and stylelords for ages.. couple sunovas have my attention as well.


I cant demo the board which is a pain but just wondering if going from a 9 x 31 sunova I'd jump on a longer board and go 'wow it paddles so easy and catches waves like a bullet' or is it just minor difference which you forget about in 5 minutes?

I would love this style of board when I'm needing to pick up speed when the waves are a bit slow or just for general surfing when the swell gods are nice.

Sandsy1
NSW, 787 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 6:05PM
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Have ridden a 10'6" x 29 1/2 Laird for 6 years now. Catches anything from 6" to 5' without any problem.
Wider nose, early entry into the wave, catches waves easily, but you have to be confident and move your feet a lot.
Stomp back, then get forward to the trim area. I'm a big fan of this style of board and have a 10' Jimmy Lewis Black and Blue on the way.

Hoppo3228
VIC, 273 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 6:25PM
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I would argue yes.

I find my 10'4 x 28" Sunova can paddle onto waves easily and early, where as my shortboard style sup needs a more critical position to get onto a wave. Very helpful when there are lots of mosquito's in the water

Is the 9 x 31 sunova a surf shape? perhaps a Flow?

I do think everybody should have a longboard sup and shortboard sup in the quiver...

- Longboard for walling points (or smaller days)
- Shortboard for reefs and beachies

Funny thing I find is, most who own a longboard sup end up using it 90% of the time....

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 5:37PM
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Hoppo3228 said..
I would argue yes.

I find my 10'4 x 28" Sunova can paddle onto waves easily and early, where as my shortboard style sup needs a more critical position to get onto a wave. Very helpful when there are lots of mosquito's in the water

Is the 9 x 31 sunova a surf shape? perhaps a Flow?

I do think everybody should have a longboard sup and shortboard sup in the quiver...

- Longboard for walling points (or smaller days)
- Shortboard for reefs and beachies

Funny thing I find is, most who own a longboard sup end up using it 90% of the time....



I have a 9'1 creek and a 8'10 v1 flow. I just rounded it out to 9 foot. Just looking to expand my range and want something completely different. I know exactly what you mean about the mosquitoes.

How stable are the 10 x 29 boards? I dare say I'd end up on a 30 wide being 95kg but would be nice to get onto a 29 inch board.

Hoppo3228
VIC, 273 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 6:53PM
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I weigh around 110kg...
my custom surf is good most of the time for me width wise. If it's too choppy for that board it's not worth going out anyway. I'd go max 29 easily at your weight, more like 28. the length helps with stability as does the flatter rocker. you will get used to it quickly.

I'd almost say go 10'6 x 28 over 10' x 29. you get the extra glide the extra length gives but more performance on a wave as it is narrower.

I had a custom. 9'0x 30.75x 130L creek and overall stability was similar to my surf, in a different way. you forget about front to back stability, but need your wits about you side to side. I have a 8'10x 31"x135L ecs wideboy and that thing is stable as a barge.


Kami
1301 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 5:03PM
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I weigh around 110kg...
my custom surf is good most of the time for me width wise. If it's too choppy for that board it's not worth going out anyway. I'd go max 29 easily at your weight, more like 28. the length helps with stability as does the flatter rocker. you will get used to it quickly.

I'd almost say go 10'6 x 28 over 10' x 29. you get the extra glide the extra length gives but more performance on a wave as it is narrower.

I had a custom. 9'0x 30.75x 130L creek and overall stability was similar to my surf, in a different way. you forget about front to back stability, but need your wits about you side to side. I have a 8'10x 31"x135L ecs wideboy and that thing is stable as a barge.






As you said Hoppo, the length helps with stability as does the flatter rocker

And so, up the kind of 10' board you are using is the kind of different rockers.

On longboard SUP it will be flat entry coming into a nice arch to the tail, and a shortboard oriented SUP will be the reverse of what said about LB.

Also, some slight differences in the rocker curve will do some differences in the paddling but at the same time a lot of differences in the whole riding of the board.

Please watch these 2 different rockers with the same profile ( thickness distribution). #7,5 versus #7,6

What would you prefer of these two rockers, Hoppo?
The #7,5 will push water and so will be unstable and stiffer with a drive while surfing .
The #7,6 is flatter and longer entry and therefore faster and stable when paddling and looser surfing; To my opinion .



Here an overview of the board in its # 7,5 version. www.shape3d.com/Viewers/Viewer3D.aspx?Board=5417&fbclid=IwAR3fcUPVCj8mK2zSMAg4nGt_R2gcdkzHcwNlbO_5o7tyPNGNkpWxsLKfNCM

Hoppo3228
VIC, 273 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 9:18PM
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Paddle stability, drive and looseness...

Can't I have it all?

Tardy
2767 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 6:34PM
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Course Ya can hoppo..

i have a 10.6 Nalu 160 litres ..,for those need to catch a little bump days ..
A few paddles and your off and riding ...and long boarding is fun ..

yes you definailty need a long board in the quiver nugdam .

Souwester
WA, 941 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 7:32PM
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Recently got a hold of a 10 x 29 Surefire J-Hawk, other board is a 8'8 RNB.

Love how it glides, when paddling for a wave it stays on the line you want it to which I think makes it more stable, shorter wider boards I have surfed and paddled in the past wanted to change direction more and I found myself needing to take off later as I couldn't glide into the wave.

The J-Hawk def. has more glide, have enjoyed a couple of flat water cruises on it.

Being narrower and having a rounded pin tail (and prob a heap of other differences that I don't know of) I feel like it surfs better, found it easier to get on rail and the trim is really fun on small waves.

MangoDingo
NT, 197 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 9:12PM
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+1 to all of the above boys.

Nugdam - I ride a 10'6 Style and cannot overstate how good it is. More of a 'traditional' (I use that term loosely) log style Longboard than Hoppo's Surf but still incredibly surfable and responsive.

I've also added a 9'2 Flow which is a beast too BUT the Style is without doubt the fun machine. Funny thing with the 10'6 Style is I reckon it's made me change my approach to surfing and I've sort of re-learnt how to engage with waves.

As Tardy said , you need a 10footer Nuggie. You won't regret it.


surfinJ
412 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 9:03PM
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I would say the difference will be felt when you pump up the volume 20-30l above your shortboard shapes.
Add a little width for stability and it will be ready for any conditions not a diva board for just those few perfect days.

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 10:35AM
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Well that was easy to convince me :p.

Now I just have to look into what breed of board I want. Think I'll end up with something 10 x29 in the 130l range.

supthecreek
1663 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 8:37AM
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Nuggy
If you are fine on your 9'1 Creek then you'll have no problem with a 10 x 29" Style
I have ridden my Style as heavy as 107 kg with out issue.
It's a bit tippy side to side, but just a little forward speed and the nose stabilizes it very nicely.

It will def have more glide into a wave than your 9'1.
As Kami noted, the flatter rocker allows it to glide with little effort.

donut4u
25 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 10:09AM
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To answer OPs original question, I have a Stylelord 10x29 and I weigh about 96Kg. It is very fast to paddle, and has more nose rocker than other longsups, for example, the s.style (I find the waves in the west can get fairly steep). It catches just about every little bump that crumbles from 6' up (it is Perth in summertime atm and I don't like sitting around home on the weekends) and gets moving real quick when you decide on a wave. A bit tippy side to side but it is 29' (and with my skill level) and I prefer the feel on the wave (closer to my longboards). My 2c.

stehar
NSW, 234 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 2:07PM
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Have had the Laird for five years now - change shorter boards regularly but the Laird 10'6" 32" wide IS A KEEPER. Surfs ankle high waves to head high or bigger 9 if not too hollow. Two vids here - one at back Woolgoolga acouple months ago and the second one is today - but only final wave in - took out the Laird for paddle power to escape cleanups - definitely paddle speed helps in certain situations, and weight to blast thru/over whitewater



Steve

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 2:38PM
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Nuggy
If you are fine on your 9'1 Creek then you'll have no problem with a 10 x 29" Style
I have ridden my Style as heavy as 107 kg with out issue.
It's a bit tippy side to side, but just a little forward speed and the nose stabilizes it very nicely.

It will def have more glide into a wave than your 9'1.
As Kami noted, the flatter rocker allows it to glide with little effort.


Cheers for the input mate. I find the creek as solid as a rock so that should be sweet then.

I wasn't sure on the style or the surf. Surf seems to call out to me more.
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donut4u said..
To answer OPs original question, I have a Stylelord 10x29 and I weigh about 96Kg. It is very fast to paddle, and has more nose rocker than other longsups, for example, the s.style (I find the waves in the west can get fairly steep). It catches just about every little bump that crumbles from 6' up (it is Perth in summertime atm and I don't like sitting around home on the weekends) and gets moving real quick when you decide on a wave. A bit tippy side to side but it is 29' (and with my skill level) and I prefer the feel on the wave (closer to my longboards). My 2c.


Thanks for the input mate. The stylelord looks super fun. Don't suppose you had the chance to compare it to the hipster longboard?

supthecreek
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Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 5:35PM
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Nugdam said..



I wasn't sure on the style or the surf. Surf seems to call out to me more.



Good call, I much prefer the Surf.
Mine is 10'6, but I'd like to have a 10' x 29 Surf... which has 11 liters more volume than the 10' Style

Style is a much better noserider, but the Surf is my favorite all around LB SUP...

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 7:39PM
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Nugdam said..




I wasn't sure on the style or the surf. Surf seems to call out to me more.




Good call, I much prefer the Surf.
Mine is 10'6, but I'd like to have a 10' x 29 Surf... which has 11 liters more volume than the 10' Style

Style is a much better noserider, but tche Surf is my favorite all around LB SUP...


That's what I liked the sound of on the surf. A more high performance longboard shape rather than the traditional nose rider shape. All of the boards are very uncommon second hand so it's hard to find a bargain.

Would you think being 140l it might feel a bit corky? The others seem to be around the 130 mark.

supthecreek
1663 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 5:48PM
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In my experience, Sunova's rails are so refined that they never feel corky...
I just appreciate the added volume for glide into waves, I don't notice it when surfing.

MangoDingo
NT, 197 posts
Friday , 15 Feb 2019 1:16PM
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Nugdam, I found this review below...
It's pretty spot on the money, in terms of board description and performance
Just in case you were still toying with ideas about which 10' to go for before you pull the trigger

fyi - I've got no affiliation with Sunova but I do have a 'jones' for the Style - they really are that good.
(I've not surfed a Surf, but given Hoppo and STC's rating they do sound like crackers!)

www.suptonicmag.com/reviews/boards/surf/sunova-style-96-2017/

Yo!

Slatz
NSW, 143 posts
Saturday , 16 Feb 2019 6:00PM
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Souwester said..
Recently got a hold of a 10 x 29 Surefire J-Hawk, other board is a 8'8 RNB.

Love how it glides, when paddling for a wave it stays on the line you want it to which I think makes it more stable, shorter wider boards I have surfed and paddled in the past wanted to change direction more and I found myself needing to take off later as I couldn't glide into the wave.

The J-Hawk def. has more glide, have enjoyed a couple of flat water cruises on it.

Being narrower and having a rounded pin tail (and prob a heap of other differences that I don't know of) I feel like it surfs better, found it easier to get on rail and the trim is really fun on small waves.


Thanks for the feedback on the Surefire J-Hawk Noserider.
We have spent a lot of time tweaking & refining this design over the years and the feedback we get is amazing.It actually has more lift in the tail than the nose, this allows it to paddle really well into waves and keep the glide, but when you step on the tail to turn it lifts the nose and engages the super thin and low rails towards the tail making cutbacks and bottom turns much more radical than your standard 10ft board.

I ride 3 x different smaller surf models, but my J-Hawk is always in my Van and is one of my favourites.

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Sunday , 17 Feb 2019 12:41PM
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Thanks for all the input fellas

There are a few sunovas brand new on sale at the moment. I am toying with the idea of the 10x29 surf and style. Just can't decide which way I want to go.

Does the surf turn and snap easier than the style?

I assume the surf has a bit more glide than the style? 11l more volume

MangoDingo
NT, 197 posts
Sunday , 17 Feb 2019 9:12PM
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Hey Nuggy
I can't speak for the Surf's manouverability eh. From what Hoppo and STC have said it definitely sounds more like the go to Longboard if you're after something you can throw around a bit easier.

The Style has really long, parallel rails and is also sweet for turns (see Casso's vids) but the turns are definitely more drop-knee, old school carves with your foot heavily planted on the stomp pad.
The Style's also super fast, so if you're keen for 'down the line' trimming it's a belter.
And of course, it's very good for getting your feet up the nose or just soul arching your way through life.

The Style is a really refined Longboard and incredibly responsive and delivers in spades.

It has slightly less volume than the Surf and does have that 'Sunova twitchiness' from rail to rail and I do get slightly wet feet when paddling (it is not corky at all). But, I find that translates as a very well designed, responsive (intuitive even) and constructed Longboard. Its very stable and more than comfortable to paddle.

Without doubt, the Surf would be an incredible stick too man - I suppose it all depends on what you want out of your Longboard and also what sort of waves you'll mostly use it in.

There's always the Steeze to look at too man... and then there's the Smiks, Surefire, Naish, JL...

We're spoilt for choice Nuggy - but whichever way go, you'll soon see just how good the 10 footers are - excited for ya bro!!!!
let us know how you go!

Yew!!!!

Souwester
WA, 941 posts
Sunday , 17 Feb 2019 8:39PM
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Slatz said..

Souwester said..
Recently got a hold of a 10 x 29 Surefire J-Hawk, other board is a 8'8 RNB.

Love how it glides, when paddling for a wave it stays on the line you want it to which I think makes it more stable, shorter wider boards I have surfed and paddled in the past wanted to change direction more and I found myself needing to take off later as I couldn't glide into the wave.

The J-Hawk def. has more glide, have enjoyed a couple of flat water cruises on it.

Being narrower and having a rounded pin tail (and prob a heap of other differences that I don't know of) I feel like it surfs better, found it easier to get on rail and the trim is really fun on small waves.



Thanks for the feedback on the Surefire J-Hawk Noserider.
We have spent a lot of time tweaking & refining this design over the years and the feedback we get is amazing.It actually has more lift in the tail than the nose, this allows it to paddle really well into waves and keep the glide, but when you step on the tail to turn it lifts the nose and engages the super thin and low rails towards the tail making cutbacks and bottom turns much more radical than your standard 10ft board.

I ride 3 x different smaller surf models, but my J-Hawk is always in my Van and is one of my favourites.


Your welcome mate, totally agree with the above, I forget it is 10ft long to be honest - really light and easy to throw around whilst not being too loose.

It has got my backhand surfing back on rail as well

Supmonkey
QLD, 17 posts
Monday , 18 Feb 2019 1:06PM
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Hi, I was hoping to get some advice from STC or anyone else with first hand experience.

I am currently riding a Sunova surf 10'6 x 30. (160 litres). It has been a great board, used predominantly for point waves at Noosa.
As i have progressed, it has started to feel a bit too big.

i cant decide between the 10" style (130 litres) or the 10' surf (140 litres). I am drawn to the traditional log feel of the style but am concerned the significant drop in volume will be too severe.

Has anyone ridden the 10' surf?

Nugdam
QLD, 220 posts
Monday , 18 Feb 2019 1:38PM
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Supmonkey said..
Hi, I was hoping to get some advice from STC or anyone else with first hand experience.

I am currently riding a Sunova surf 10'6 x 30. (160 litres). It has been a great board, used predominantly for point waves at Noosa.
As i have progressed, it has started to feel a bit too big.

i cant decide between the 10" style (130 litres) or the 10' surf (140 litres). I am drawn to the traditional log feel of the style but am concerned the significant drop in volume will be too severe.

Has anyone ridden the 10' surf?


Slightly off topic..

Did you head out to noosa on the weekend? Man it was awesome fun! That's where im wanting my 10 footer.. surfing noosa and moffs when its a bit full.

Supmonkey
QLD, 17 posts
Monday , 18 Feb 2019 2:27PM
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nope, but was at Noosa the previous weekend.
conditions were pretty good and surprisingly quiet.

this thursday should be amazing



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