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Created by Souwester 24 days ago, 3 May 2018
Souwester
WA, 878 posts
3 May 2018 11:03AM
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Had to jump on the mal this morning, getting a ding repaired on the SUP...have to be honest and say I just didnt enjoy it as much.

Found myself missing the view from the SUP when spotting the waves, being able to move between peaks easily as well as the view when paddling and taking off.

Not anti any type of board but def. enjoying the SUP more than anything at the moment.

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
3 May 2018 1:20PM
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yeah yeah, SUPing is just fun

CAUTION
WA, 1056 posts
3 May 2018 12:53PM
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Souwester said..
Had to jump on the mal this morning, getting a ding repaired on the SUP...have to be honest and say I just didnt enjoy it as much.

Found myself missing the view from the SUP when spotting the waves, being able to move between peaks easily as well as the view when paddling and taking off.

Not anti any type of board but def. enjoying the SUP more than anything at the moment.


Funny Froggy but i am feeling opposite of late.
After surfing loads this year on couple of different volume short boards prone i struggle to see myself going out on sup in a hurry.
I am all for any board if ur having fun.
Here is my list of advantages/dis:

Shortboard pros
- you can sit deeper knowing you can duck dive, helps with our waves where they break all over the shot.
- so much easier to lug around in car to beach etc.
- so much easier to turn around in water with a board 20-22" wide instead of 28-30
- the feel when in the right spot doing the right thing is amazing.
- closeouts im not scared of tucking in for a cover up as smaller boards can normally take it

shortboard cons
- gotta be in right spot
- slower on wave
- slower to paddle around to get to different peaks

SUP pros:
- get onto waves early
- fast
- catch more waves
- can get onto a wave on shoulders or not such good sections and make it with brute strenght and paddle technique
- can paddle out to outer reefs and get sik waves

SUP cons:
- near all surfers hate you because ther are a lot of SUP piggies out there that have not much water time but because of the above pros can get onto waves easy and lots of them. generally you get tainted with the same brush.
- cant duck dive
- to ride a board that really surfs you cant really stand up for long on them so you lose the advantage of being high to see sets/peaks etc.
- they are precious, slam them into rocks or a sand bar as you do when surfing and the size and weight behind them usually damages them
- they are massive to lug around. brings me back to windsurfing days.

each to ur own, enjoy the water. have respect for others.

p.s. where did u surf this morn? some pretty fun banks about at the mo along the stretch!

hilly
WA, 4144 posts
3 May 2018 2:49PM
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Souwester said..
Had to jump on the mal this morning, getting a ding repaired on the SUP...have to be honest and say I just didnt enjoy it as much.

Found myself missing the view from the SUP when spotting the waves, being able to move between peaks easily as well as the view when paddling and taking off.

Not anti any type of board but def. enjoying the SUP more than anything at the moment.



Funny Froggy but i am feeling opposite of late.
After surfing loads this year on couple of different volume short boards prone i struggle to see myself going out on sup in a hurry.
I am all for any board if ur having fun.
Here is my list of advantages/dis:

Shortboard pros
- you can sit deeper knowing you can duck dive, helps with our waves where they break all over the shot.
- so much easier to lug around in car to beach etc.
- so much easier to turn around in water with a board 20-22" wide instead of 28-30
- the feel when in the right spot doing the right thing is amazing.
- closeouts im not scared of tucking in for a cover up as smaller boards can normally take it

shortboard cons
- gotta be in right spot
- slower on wave
- slower to paddle around to get to different peaks

SUP pros:
- get onto waves early
- fast
- catch more waves
- can get onto a wave on shoulders or not such good sections and make it with brute strenght and paddle technique
- can paddle out to outer reefs and get sik waves

SUP cons:
- near all surfers hate you because ther are a lot of SUP piggies out there that have not much water time but because of the above pros can get onto waves easy and lots of them. generally you get tainted with the same brush.
- cant duck dive
- to ride a board that really surfs you cant really stand up for long on them so you lose the advantage of being high to see sets/peaks etc.
- they are precious, slam them into rocks or a sand bar as you do when surfing and the size and weight behind them usually damages them
- they are massive to lug around. brings me back to windsurfing days.

each to ur own, enjoy the water. have respect for others.

p.s. where did u surf this morn? some pretty fun banks about at the mo along the stretch!


I am with you. If my neck was not farked from rugby I would still be using a shortboard on the good days. Nothing beats a late drop and being able to stick the board in the barrel. I miss that, barrels are rare and short on a sup

Tardy
2185 posts
3 May 2018 3:30PM
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same if my back wasn't screwed ,
all my mates i grew up with as groms ,they still give a hard time ,,,for switching
but look at the wave count ...now I'm riding smaller boards now its not so bad,i can throw it around now .
i wish they'd stop asking me when the sets are coming ......i have to lie most of the time
i'm a SUPer for life .

Brenno
QLD, 588 posts
3 May 2018 5:49PM
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Souwester said..
Had to jump on the mal this morning, getting a ding repaired on the SUP...have to be honest and say I just didnt enjoy it as much.

Found myself missing the view from the SUP when spotting the waves, being able to move between peaks easily as well as the view when paddling and taking off.

Not anti any type of board but def. enjoying the SUP more than anything at the moment.


+1
Had a crackin' little sesh this morning on my Creek, with C Drives fitted.
Cranked it like a big fat shorty. Easier when you're a big fat tally.
Not lying down again any time soon, but each to their own.
It'll do me.

fester
WA, 286 posts
3 May 2018 6:34PM
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Sounds like you have caught the SUP bug Souwester Who put you onto it

Souwester
WA, 878 posts
3 May 2018 6:37PM
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All pretty valid points guys, I surfed the scabs stretch this morning Ro, would have been bloody tough on the SUP but given the chance I would have given it a go

Would love a high volume good quad shorty for Scabs on days like today - fast sucky take offs, short rides and as you say peaks popping up all over the place would have been good to turn and burn.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1497 posts
3 May 2018 10:27PM
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I'll never go back. I catch more waves now, go out far more often, and have much more fun on the waves.

I'll give you my paddle when you pry it from my cold, dead, wet hands.

colas
2522 posts
3 May 2018 9:35PM
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I will go back to prone surfing as soon as:
- I get back my hips of 20 years ago
- I can have less than 5 people out on a peak when waves are good

And even then, I don't know if I would if I could. I am so enjoying the view standing up, ogling waves is SUP dirty secret :-)

Souwester
WA, 878 posts
3 May 2018 10:19PM
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I will go back to prone surfing as soon as:
- I get back my hips of 20 years ago
- I can have less than 5 people out on a peak when waves are good

And even then, I don't know if I would if I could. I am so enjoying the view standing up, ogling waves is SUP dirty secret :-)


Spot on Colas, that view is awesome.

Love SurfinJ's vids, that really shows the view you get, watching the wave, getting onto it and then flying down the face.

I have had back issues for the last decade and noticed my back is that much better if I SUP a couple of times a week. Prone is still a bit of fun but have to stretch like hell to stop the hips and back from giving me grief afterwards.

SRrat
WA, 170 posts
3 May 2018 10:52PM
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Mixing it up a fair bit lately after nearly 3 years of mostly SUP, missed being able to duck dive!

SRrat
WA, 170 posts
3 May 2018 11:00PM
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colas said..
I will go back to prone surfing as soon as:
- I get back my hips of 20 years ago
- I can have less than 5 people out on a peak when waves are good

And even then, I don't know if I would if I could. I am so enjoying the view standing up, ogling waves is SUP dirty secret :-)



Spot on Colas, that view is awesome.

Love SurfinJ's vids, that really shows the view you get, watching the wave, getting onto it and then flying down the face.

I have had back issues for the last decade and noticed my back is that much better if I SUP a couple of times a week. Prone is still a bit of fun but have to stretch like hell to stop the hips and back from giving me grief afterwards.


I agree totally about the improvement in spinal health that paddling a SUP gives. Reckon it has improved my short board surfing too.

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
4 May 2018 8:59AM
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Like the change I made to sup and don't know how long I can do this sport. I would like to try wind surfing as my other sup board have Mastfoot insert for windsurfing option.

JosephBetts
132 posts
4 May 2018 7:38AM
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Back and Achilles are shot right now and been riding a bodyboard. Comparison of all three; shortboard, bodyboard, sup

bodyboard:
pros:
can take off super late and don't have the same fear when taking off when super late and deep...it's nearly impossible to **** up a late drop/vertical take off unless it's a top to bottom drop.
Can pull into a close out or super deep wave, ride over the shockwave and keep on riding until you get flipped and don't have to worry about landing feet first, or worry about a board hitting you in the head, or get as pumped because the main energy first is above your head.
-can do air moves off the lip without having to worry about busting your ankles forever. Also...the feeling of flying upside down with total control or doing an air reverse off a close out section.....ahh
-can turn round faster than a shortboard for a later takeoff in crowded waves
-lots of barrels. If you have a session where you don't make a barrel there is something seriously wrong with the surf or with you.
you take off under the lip instead of going out around and back in on a shortboard
cons:
they are slower than a surfboard and you cannot pump and make your own speed on the so they require a sucky wave or double up wedge wave and these waves are rare.
Also if your surfing a tube that is semi fat and needing some speed you are usually stuck...shortboard can weave in he barrel.

So the sloppy surf sessions are lame with no power. Getting a good session on them is rare.
The shape. Very hard to have a smooth style on them with the front door shape.

shortboard-
funner to surf fatter waves in. This is why most bodyboarders turn to shortboarding.
surfing top to bottom seems faster than on a bodyboard and because of the shape of it compared to a bodyboard they ride smoother.
Being able to Pump.
dont get barrelled as much as on a bodyboard but very rewarding when you do.
Tapping a close out section/ mushy bit of foam.
roundhouse cutbacks, fun and functional
carves....tighter than the sup....no explanation needed
cons
Harder to get waves then on a bodyboard or sup and if you get wave of the day there is a chance you will blow the take off if your not concentrating. Bodyboarding a wave of the day is impossible to fall on.
Low volume and fat sections
the crowds

Sup:
no crowds
you can surf a **** knee high fat wave nobody wants and have fun cause of the high volume.
lots of waves
the speed as you move through the lineup.
Those sessions on the shortboard where 60% of the time your milking the wave for speed...on the sup your flying.
Can still find secret spots on an sup...in VERY crowded places.

Cons-cannot get as high performance as sip or bodyboard


im now trying to think of
more cons but this is all I can come up
with....
-your going to have a funner surf 60-70% of the time...
-if your back is ****ed it will help it
-have a line of defence against Dolphins (if your quick enough) or sharks
-using the paddle for
bottom turns...god


hurry up and heal
ankles!

Lenn
NSW, 85 posts
4 May 2018 6:10PM
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JosephBetts said..
Back and Achilles are shot right now and been riding a bodyboard. Comparison of all three; shortboard, bodyboard, sup

bodyboard:
pros:
can take off super late and don't have the same fear when taking off when super late and deep...it's nearly impossible to **** up a late drop/vertical take off unless it's a top to bottom drop.
Can pull into a close out or super deep wave, ride over the shockwave and keep on riding until you get flipped and don't have to worry about landing feet first, or worry about a board hitting you in the head, or get as pumped because the main energy first is above your head.
-can do air moves off the lip without having to worry about busting your ankles forever. Also...the feeling of flying upside down with total control or doing an air reverse off a close out section.....ahh
-can turn round faster than a shortboard for a later takeoff in crowded waves
-lots of barrels. If you have a session where you don't make a barrel there is something seriously wrong with the surf or with you.
you take off under the lip instead of going out around and back in on a shortboard
cons:
they are slower than a surfboard and you cannot pump and make your own speed on the so they require a sucky wave or double up wedge wave and these waves are rare.
Also if your surfing a tube that is semi fat and needing some speed you are usually stuck...shortboard can weave in he barrel.

So the sloppy surf sessions are lame with no power. Getting a good session on them is rare.
The shape. Very hard to have a smooth style on them with the front door shape.

shortboard-
funner to surf fatter waves in. This is why most bodyboarders turn to shortboarding.
surfing top to bottom seems faster than on a bodyboard and because of the shape of it compared to a bodyboard they ride smoother.
Being able to Pump.
dont get barrelled as much as on a bodyboard but very rewarding when you do.
Tapping a close out section/ mushy bit of foam.
roundhouse cutbacks, fun and functional
carves....tighter than the sup....no explanation needed
cons
Harder to get waves then on a bodyboard or sup and if you get wave of the day there is a chance you will blow the take off if your not concentrating. Bodyboarding a wave of the day is impossible to fall on.
Low volume and fat sections
the crowds

Sup:
no crowds
you can surf a **** knee high fat wave nobody wants and have fun cause of the high volume.
lots of waves
the speed as you move through the lineup.
Those sessions on the shortboard where 60% of the time your milking the wave for speed...on the sup your flying.
Can still find secret spots on an sup...in VERY crowded places.

Cons-cannot get as high performance as sip or bodyboard


im now trying to think of
more cons but this is all I can come up
with....
-your going to have a funner surf 60-70% of the time...
-if your back is ****ed it will help it
-have a line of defence against Dolphins (if your quick enough) or sharks
-using the paddle for
bottom turns...god


hurry up and heal
ankles!


Dolphins.?

Lenn
NSW, 85 posts
4 May 2018 6:10PM
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JosephBetts said..
Back and Achilles are shot right now and been riding a bodyboard. Comparison of all three; shortboard, bodyboard, sup

bodyboard:
pros:
can take off super late and don't have the same fear when taking off when super late and deep...it's nearly impossible to **** up a late drop/vertical take off unless it's a top to bottom drop.
Can pull into a close out or super deep wave, ride over the shockwave and keep on riding until you get flipped and don't have to worry about landing feet first, or worry about a board hitting you in the head, or get as pumped because the main energy first is above your head.
-can do air moves off the lip without having to worry about busting your ankles forever. Also...the feeling of flying upside down with total control or doing an air reverse off a close out section.....ahh
-can turn round faster than a shortboard for a later takeoff in crowded waves
-lots of barrels. If you have a session where you don't make a barrel there is something seriously wrong with the surf or with you.
you take off under the lip instead of going out around and back in on a shortboard
cons:
they are slower than a surfboard and you cannot pump and make your own speed on the so they require a sucky wave or double up wedge wave and these waves are rare.
Also if your surfing a tube that is semi fat and needing some speed you are usually stuck...shortboard can weave in he barrel.

So the sloppy surf sessions are lame with no power. Getting a good session on them is rare.
The shape. Very hard to have a smooth style on them with the front door shape.

shortboard-
funner to surf fatter waves in. This is why most bodyboarders turn to shortboarding.
surfing top to bottom seems faster than on a bodyboard and because of the shape of it compared to a bodyboard they ride smoother.
Being able to Pump.
dont get barrelled as much as on a bodyboard but very rewarding when you do.
Tapping a close out section/ mushy bit of foam.
roundhouse cutbacks, fun and functional
carves....tighter than the sup....no explanation needed
cons
Harder to get waves then on a bodyboard or sup and if you get wave of the day there is a chance you will blow the take off if your not concentrating. Bodyboarding a wave of the day is impossible to fall on.
Low volume and fat sections
the crowds

Sup:
no crowds
you can surf a **** knee high fat wave nobody wants and have fun cause of the high volume.
lots of waves
the speed as you move through the lineup.
Those sessions on the shortboard where 60% of the time your milking the wave for speed...on the sup your flying.
Can still find secret spots on an sup...in VERY crowded places.

Cons-cannot get as high performance as sip or bodyboard


im now trying to think of
more cons but this is all I can come up
with....
-your going to have a funner surf 60-70% of the time...
-if your back is ****ed it will help it
-have a line of defence against Dolphins (if your quick enough) or sharks
-using the paddle for
bottom turns...god


hurry up and heal
ankles!


Dolphins.?

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1497 posts
4 May 2018 6:20PM
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Lenn said..

JosephBetts said..



Dolphins.?



You know, killer attack dolphins, like the one that tried to take out Hilly. They have sided with the short-boarders. It's on!

CAUTION
WA, 1056 posts
4 May 2018 6:33PM
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Funny, after surfing high tide on short board bet underpass and the point I thought sheesh prob be ok on the sup with some foam under me.
then went out on the 10 footer sup at metts n had some fun solo. So yeh all good fun if ur in the sun getting salty.

Souwester
WA, 878 posts
4 May 2018 10:27PM
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CAUTION said..
Funny, after surfing high tide on short board bet underpass and the point I thought sheesh prob be ok on the sup with some foam under me.
then went out on the 10 footer sup at metts n had some fun solo. So yeh all good fun if ur in the sun getting salty.


Winter high tides in the morn are a bitch if your on a shorty, even with a chunk of swell it can be frustrating and leave you wanting more foam,

Seajuice
NSW, 197 posts
5 May 2018 10:27AM
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I love em all. Short board, mini mal, SUP & now foil.
But at my age of 58 years, weight around 80 kgs & week paddle power my short boards are all around 38 to 44 litres. 6ft to 6ft 6" long.
They all have their differences in feel. The SUP for early take offs, long rides & ease of paddling. The mini mal for that gliding speed & carving. The short boards for that skateboard feel especially going back from a SUP. Love the feel of my Sunova single fin for its speed & carves. I'm not much into shredding because I can't do it. Lol! But remember when I was young trying to that elusive 360 & tubing the shore breaks on my late 70s single fin Carrabine board. And now the foil board for its whisper quietness with turbo speed & air float.
Jack of all trades master of none. Lol.

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
5 May 2018 10:44AM
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Seajuice said..
I love em all. Short board, mini mal, SUP & now foil.
But at my age of 58 years, weight around 80 kgs & week paddle power my short boards are all around 38 to 44 litres. 6ft to 6ft 6" long.
They all have their differences in feel. The SUP for early take offs, long rides & ease of paddling. The mini mal for that gliding speed & carving. The short boards for that skateboard feel especially going back from a SUP. Love the feel of my Sunova single fin for its speed & carves. I'm not much into shredding because I can't do it. Lol! But remember when I was young trying to that elusive 360 & tubing the shore breaks on my late 70s single fin Carrabine board. And now the foil board for its whisper quietness with turbo speed & air float.
Jack of all trades master of none. Lol.



ahhh.... to be young again, elastic and broke

JosephBetts
132 posts
5 May 2018 6:12PM
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Seajuice said..
I love em all. Short board, mini mal, SUP & now foil.
But at my age of 58 years, weight around 80 kgs & week paddle power my short boards are all around 38 to 44 litres. 6ft to 6ft 6" long.
They all have their differences in feel. The SUP for early take offs, long rides & ease of paddling. The mini mal for that gliding speed & carving. The short boards for that skateboard feel especially going back from a SUP. Love the feel of my Sunova single fin for its speed & carves. I'm not much into shredding because I can't do it. Lol! But remember when I was young trying to that elusive 360 & tubing the shore breaks on my late 70s single fin Carrabine board. And now the foil board for its whisper quietness with turbo speed & air float.
Jack of all trades master of none. Lol.


What else is good about the foil? They seem like the thrill of riding them cannot be explained?

Quaddy
QLD, 8 posts
9 May 2018 7:38PM
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Hi All, started supping this last summer. After short boarding since I was a grom on a Colonel Sanders foamie was finding it tough after a few years away from it. At 53, struggling with injuries, fitness and crowds I was surfing less and less, so I bought SUP to have paddle on the river and catch a few small waves.

Well that was fun and all but I found it really hard to surf a 10 and a half foot board. Digging back into the piggy bank I bought a used 8'4 Deep JC of the buy and sell here.

First time out on a local river bar, paddled late and steep into a shoulder high set. Somehow survived the drop, planted my back foot on top of the inside front fin and pushed......It was like stepping on the accelerator. Two big fast carves across the face then ran out in front of the closeout. Zoomed around the broken section then bottom turned back up onto the clean face and pulled off a big floater of the next closeout.

Landed on my feet.......i'm still grinning. Hadn't surfed like that in a long time. I surf now 5 or 6 times a week I'm fitter than I've been in 20 years and some of those old injuries don't seem to bother me that much now.......

I LIKE it.....

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
9 May 2018 8:43PM
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Quaddy said..
Hi All, started supping this last summer. After short boarding since I was a grom on a Colonel Sanders foamie was finding it tough after a few years away from it. At 53, struggling with injuries, fitness and crowds I was surfing less and less, so I bought SUP to have paddle on the river and catch a few small waves.

Well that was fun and all but I found it really hard to surf a 10 and a half foot board. Digging back into the piggy bank I bought a used 8'4 Deep JC of the buy and sell here.

First time out on a local river bar, paddled late and steep into a shoulder high set. Somehow survived the drop, planted my back foot on top of the inside front fin and pushed......It was like stepping on the accelerator. Two big fast carves across the face then ran out in front of the closeout. Zoomed around the broken section then bottom turned back up onto the clean face and pulled off a big floater of the next closeout.

Landed on my feet.......i'm still grinning. Hadn't surfed like that in a long time. I surf now 5 or 6 times a week I'm fitter than I've been in 20 years and some of those old injuries don't seem to bother me that much now.......

I LIKE it.....


Johndesu
NSW, 151 posts
9 May 2018 10:26PM
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Its good to go back sometimes and then forward again, mix it up a bit, try different boards - sups & shortboards, anytime anywhere any conditions because it is all good :-)

DARTH
WA, 2685 posts
10 May 2018 11:58AM
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Souwester said..
Had to jump on the mal this morning, getting a ding repaired on the SUP...have to be honest and say I just didnt enjoy it as much.

Found myself missing the view from the SUP when spotting the waves, being able to move between peaks easily as well as the view when paddling and taking off.

Not anti any type of board but def. enjoying the SUP more than anything at the moment.


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Greystoke
88 posts
12 May 2018 4:39AM
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Same here for all the reasons stated above. I started SUPing 5 years ago for the same reasons, I still have my short board and longboards but they are just gathering dust now, I won't part with them as they gave me so much and enjoyment over the last 30 + years. I remember Luke and the boys at Ocean Addicts warning me after purchasing my first SUP a 9"6 Manawa "you'll never go back" I just laughed and thought SUPing will only be for flat water and small waves. I was wrong they were right... Now I own four SUPs, from 8"3 to 10"6 for all wave types. I will never go back stay stoked.

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
12 May 2018 8:45AM
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Greystoke said..
Same here for all the reasons stated above. I started SUPing 5 years ago for the same reasons, I still have my short board and longboards but they are just gathering dust now, I won't part with them as they gave me so much and enjoyment over the last 30 + years. I remember Luke and the boys at Ocean Addicts warning me after purchasing my first SUP a 9"6 Manawa "you'll never go back" I just laughed and thought SUPing will only be for flat water and small waves. I was wrong they were right... Now I own four SUPs, from 8"3 to 10"6 for all wave types. I will never go back stay stoked.



as you get older sup is a good mate to have before retirement village.

Greystoke
88 posts
12 May 2018 8:40AM
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JEG said..

Greystoke said..
Same here for all the reasons stated above. I started SUPing 5 years ago for the same reasons, I still have my short board and longboards but they are just gathering dust now, I won't part with them as they gave me so much and enjoyment over the last 30 + years. I remember Luke and the boys at Ocean Addicts warning me after purchasing my first SUP a 9"6 Manawa "you'll never go back" I just laughed and thought SUPing will only be for flat water and small waves. I was wrong they were right... Now I own four SUPs, from 8"3 to 10"6 for all wave types. I will never go back stay stoked.




as you get older sup is a good mate to have before retirement village.


And beyond I can see it now, SUP pensioners board riders club awesome! Looking forward to it.

JEG
VIC, 776 posts
12 May 2018 10:58AM
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Greystoke said..

JEG said..


Greystoke said..
Same here for all the reasons stated above. I started SUPing 5 years ago for the same reasons, I still have my short board and longboards but they are just gathering dust now, I won't part with them as they gave me so much and enjoyment over the last 30 + years. I remember Luke and the boys at Ocean Addicts warning me after purchasing my first SUP a 9"6 Manawa "you'll never go back" I just laughed and thought SUPing will only be for flat water and small waves. I was wrong they were right... Now I own four SUPs, from 8"3 to 10"6 for all wave types. I will never go back stay stoked.





as you get older sup is a good mate to have before retirement village.



And beyond I can see it now, SUP pensioners board riders club awesome! Looking forward to it.


lets form a club Greystoke, something old and vintage, something special and better than all other clubs



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