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Hadenshapes Hypto Krypto

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Created by buttsy7 > 9 months ago, 8 Oct 2014
buttsy7
WA, 2 posts
8 Oct 2014 12:51PM
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Hi all novice here - I am purchasing a haydenshapes hypto krypto after having a shot on a mates and loving it and I am hoping to get some recommendations on fins... I am at bit beginner-intermediate level and will not be surfing very big waves... surfing perth, margs, and bali (from most to least)... I have been looking at futures black stix range but open to any recommendations... this is first new board I am buying online so any other important info would be appreciated.. will the fin kit come with everything I need?? Same goes for tail pad.... Cheers

Tux
VIC, 3682 posts
8 Oct 2014 3:11PM
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Dunno about fins but I would save myself a couple of hundy and go see your local shaper...you will probably get an equal to better board for less..I like the Kinetic Racing Phase 3 fins on my 6'2....

Salty Sea Dog
VIC, 326 posts
8 Oct 2014 3:23PM
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Dependent on how heavy you are Shapers AM2's. I was put onto them by Chrispy and haven't looked back.

Bullsta71
40 posts
8 Oct 2014 3:19PM
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Mate I took a 5'6" to the Ments recently and it went well with the FCS2 Carvers (Medium) in fairly big stuff.
Bit skatey when I tried the Performers and although went brilliantly in glassy waves, any bump and its all over.

buttsy7
WA, 2 posts
8 Oct 2014 3:40PM
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Cheers for suggestions....I am pretty set on hypto krypto tux but cheers...

Forgot to mention I am roughly 177-178cm and ~75kg

bene313
WA, 1254 posts
8 Oct 2014 9:36PM
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Got a mate with hypto and it basically fell apart. He got another which did the same. Hope you like wasting money.

Did you know they are made in thailand? Nice business model for hayden. Not so great for the consumer!

Ctngoodvibes
WA, 1178 posts
8 Oct 2014 11:02PM
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Yes Gsi pop outs glassed like crap.
You can order a custom direct from Hayden which would be a much better option.

EnglishCraig
NSW, 406 posts
9 Oct 2014 4:16PM
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bene313 said...
Got a mate with hypto and it basically fell apart. He got another which did the same. Hope you like wasting money.

Did you know they are made in thailand? Nice business model for hayden. Not so great for the consumer!


Mate has (soon to be had?) a hypto and it's a POS - after 3 sessions his board looked more knackered than my 6 month old used circa 100 times grant miller board

It also now has a big hole in the bottom - I believe he dropped a muffin or something of similar mass on it lol

Souwester
WA, 743 posts
9 Oct 2014 2:28PM
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Ha ha dropped the FCS key and went right through it hey?

If was me on the hunt would see a local for a new one.

katana
WA, 592 posts
9 Oct 2014 3:24PM
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Souwester said..
Ha ha dropped the FCS key and went right through it hey?

If was me on the hunt would see a local for a new one.


I could do you the same shape for around the same price if you can wait 2 weeks ?
we have just changed our vac process and the decks top coats are now fused on to the bamboo in one step this makes the board much stronger and water resistant with an extra layer fused to the rails with no added weight .it took us 3 months to perfect the process but well worth it

Souwester
WA, 743 posts
9 Oct 2014 4:14PM
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Hope all this is not too late Buttsy7

birdman89
77 posts
9 Oct 2014 4:24PM
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I had a hypto for a while. I had no problem with the construction of the board, put a bit of a ding in the rail, but i was surfing a very shallow/grunty reefy at the time so it wasn't surprising.

It was a pig of a board though, couldn't stand it. Rails were way too boxy, and it was a pain to try and get any kind of vertical movement. It would be ok for a beginner who is just happy bottom turning and not doing much after. It got plenty of speed, but I couldn't find much use for the speed aside from drawing out cut backs.

I've been surfing a 2 board quiver for a while now.

5' 2" Sweet Potato in the metro crap, and a 5' 8" Dominator on trips. I never really surf anything over 4/6 foot anymore so I don't have a step up at the moment.

thomas11
VIC, 159 posts
9 Oct 2014 8:23PM
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Yes I'm also a bearer of bad news.
I bought a hypo crypto after all the fan fair of it, guess I got sucked in.
bought a 6'4 as I'm 195cm and 100kgs and it was like trying to surf on a boat, couldn't duck it for ****.
It paddled like my old mans 9'1 but similar events to above, its pretty limited due to how thick the rails were its a long board in a short board with a skatey tail.
I ditched it after 3 months (didn't have any structural issues though), and have bought a js ghetto cat since and its ****s all over it.
There is more options out there mate so don't get sucked into the marketing hype which I did.
Plus its bloody expensive for a factory mass made board from Thailand

lortap
WA, 50 posts
10 Oct 2014 6:36AM
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I disagree, well sort of..

There are generally two reasons why people don't like Hyptos: firstly, they buy them too big and find them corky (im 6'2, 92kg and the 5'10 floats me easily and paddles well) - there is a lot of hidden foam in them and you need to buy on volume not length; second, the construction means they dent fairly easily, but this is a trade off with weight. They are an extremely light board and relative to a poly construction of the same weight (which would probably be a 4 oz glass job top and bottom) my view is the Hypto would be more durable (certainly better break strength).

Horses for courses....

bene313
WA, 1254 posts
10 Oct 2014 12:24PM
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lortap said..
I disagree, well sort of..

There are generally two reasons why people don't like Hyptos: firstly, they buy them too big and find them corky (im 6'2, 92kg and the 5'10 floats me easily and paddles well) - there is a lot of hidden foam in them and you need to buy on volume not length; second, the construction means they dent fairly easily, but this is a trade off with weight. They are an extremely light board and relative to a poly construction of the same weight (which would probably be a 4 oz glass job top and bottom) my view is the Hypto would be more durable (certainly better break strength).

Horses for courses....



True regarding size. Gotta ride them small.

As for weight and strength, these boards are part of a business model which works as follows:

1. Build high value market perception
2. Produce at lowest cost
3. Sell at highest price

So it's no surprise that they break easy. Light weight = low cost. But the consumer perception is a light weight board, not a low cost one.

I've got a Katana board which is light weight but relatively durable. Because a local shaper puts more thought put into construction rather than just whatever is cheapest/most marketable.

I had a JS Revolution once. It had one layer of glass on the deck. The pitch was that it was higher quality construction, so only needed one layer of glass on the deck. Nice marketing for JS which leads to a lower cost of production.

lortap
WA, 50 posts
10 Oct 2014 2:27PM
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I agree Hyptos are crazy expensive for what they are and the decks dent on the first surf. But Hayden Shapes have a good niche in building extremely light weight boards that are stronger than a poly board of equivalent weight. So if you are willing to sacrifice some durability for weight, and have the cash, they are a good option. Weight is really only critical in small waves so the competitive advantage is lost on good wave or step up boards.

Katana also make very good boards that a relatively light, cheaper than Hyptos, and WA local (I had one of Dave's epoxy, carbon rail, bamboo deck). But I am not sure the construction is as light as Hayden Shapes epoxy for what ever reason - perhaps the bamboo deck, perhaps its just the glass job?

katana
WA, 592 posts
10 Oct 2014 2:40PM
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lortap said..
I agree Hyptos are crazy expensive for what they are and the decks dent on the first surf. But Hayden Shapes have a good niche in building extremely light weight boards that are stronger than a poly board of equivalent weight. So if you are willing to sacrifice some durability for weight, and have the cash, they are a good option. Weight is really only critical in small waves so the competitive advantage is lost on good wave or step up boards.

Katana also make very good boards that a relatively light, cheaper than Hyptos, and WA local (I had one of Dave's epoxy, carbon rail, bamboo deck). But I am not sure the construction is as light as Hayden Shapes epoxy for what ever reason - perhaps the bamboo deck, perhaps its just the glass job?



funny timing!we just got some lighter weight bamboo so I recon it will shave at lease 10% off the total weight and with the new vac process not loose any strength

bene313
WA, 1254 posts
10 Oct 2014 4:41PM
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lortap said..
I agree Hyptos are crazy expensive for what they are and the decks dent on the first surf. But Hayden Shapes have a good niche in building extremely light weight boards that are stronger than a poly board of equivalent weight. So if you are willing to sacrifice some durability for weight, and have the cash, they are a good option. Weight is really only critical in small waves so the competitive advantage is lost on good wave or step up boards.


For sure. It's a no brainer for a mass producer of boards.

Make them light to cut costs -> market as higher performance -> boards replaced more often

HS make good boards but they're even better at marketing.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
10 Oct 2014 10:22PM
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thomas11 said..
Yes I'm also a bearer of bad news.
I bought a hypo crypto after all the fan fair of it, guess I got sucked in.
bought a 6'4 as I'm 195cm and 100kgs and it was like trying to surf on a boat, couldn't duck it for ****.



I would suggest your issue re duck diving is probably more of technique than blaming the board. If you are struggling to get it under just use a bit of angle when you push it down - ie. one side slightly before the other - the rest will follow.

birdman89
77 posts
11 Oct 2014 11:04AM
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Ted the Kiwi said..

thomas11 said..
Yes I'm also a bearer of bad news.
I bought a hypo crypto after all the fan fair of it, guess I got sucked in.
bought a 6'4 as I'm 195cm and 100kgs and it was like trying to surf on a boat, couldn't duck it for ****.




I would suggest your issue re duck diving is probably more of technique than blaming the board. If you are struggling to get it under just use a bit of angle when you push it down - ie. one side slightly before the other - the rest will follow.


They're pretty corky boards, even with my 5' 6" i struggled duck diving it. My dominator duck dives very easily.

Ctngoodvibes
WA, 1178 posts
11 Oct 2014 11:51AM
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I find this thread quite amusing. There is a lot of hate for the hypto out there, myself included.
Have a 5'11 Matt Manners Keeper model now and it's way better. Have surfed it from knee high up to double over head. Pretty stoked with that and so good to find a really short board that works.

pro346
QLD, 57 posts
11 Oct 2014 9:14PM
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hypto are a kooks board... my mate sells heaps of them but hes a sponsered surfer and ive seen him surf one in pretty big conditions... but they are just a marketing ploy if your sponsered and rip you can rip on anything!! ive ridden a 5-10 and 6-0 im 100kg and they surfed ok but id much rather ride a standard short board any day!!

JulianRoss
WA, 227 posts
13 Oct 2014 1:02PM
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maybe I'm a kook, but I got given a hypto about a year ago, and have really enjoyed it in Perth surf...(I have usually gone local shaper boards). I find that the minimilist rocker gives me the speed I need to make sections on Perth beachies.... I think it would do well on long walled waves, and I wish i had it in The Maldives last year, I think it would have been perfect.
Then again if I was spending the cash for a new board, I would probably go to Katana and get the shark zapper built in.
kook out

thomas11
VIC, 159 posts
17 Oct 2014 1:49PM
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birdman89 said..

Ted the Kiwi said..


thomas11 said..
Yes I'm also a bearer of bad news.
I bought a hypo crypto after all the fan fair of it, guess I got sucked in.
bought a 6'4 as I'm 195cm and 100kgs and it was like trying to surf on a boat, couldn't duck it for ****.





I would suggest your issue re duck diving is probably more of technique than blaming the board. If you are struggling to get it under just use a bit of angle when you push it down - ie. one side slightly before the other - the rest will follow.



They're pretty corky boards, even with my 5' 6" i struggled duck diving it. My dominator duck dives very easily.


Ive never had an issue duck diving. I could get under small waves, but anything overhead it was near impossible to get the depth required and you would just get washed back so i found myself bailing more which is dangerous IMO.
My 6'2 JS ghetto cat dives fine.

AndreC
WA, 358 posts
21 Oct 2014 11:29PM
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Seen Dave tearing on his def go local

markjohnson5652
WA, 13 posts
24 Oct 2014 12:37PM
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i didn't like my hypto kyrpto either, i feel for the marketing like the rest though. such a pig of a board though, i surfed it for a whole summer and couldn't stand it. thought i must be missing something with the trend for shorter boards, then i sold it to mate (also hates it!!) bought a Cab Sav Nick Blair instead which is so sick. design is way more subtle and surfs insane




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