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Naish HA 914 & Different Fuselage Lengths

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Created by Sambo # 2 months ago, 6 Oct 2021
Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
6 Oct 2021 5:34PM
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Have any Wind Foilers used the Naish HA 914 with both the 80cm and new S26 95cm fuses? The 95cm is made for boards with tuttle box connection. I'm interested to know how much the 95cm fuse stiffens up the pitch therefore making the foil less sensitive to pitch change / input at speed. Is the 80cm doable or is it too much to handle? I have an HA 914 on order and currently only have the 80cm windsurf fuse. Might have to buy the new 95cm as well ?

powersloshin
NSW, 1364 posts
6 Oct 2021 9:17PM
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the 95 fuse is out of stock almost everywhere, I managed to source one from Austria, waiting for delivery. I have the 1150 wing and a kite wing I want to try for speed with that fuse. Will post feedback when it happens.
Btw what foil mast do you have? I am interested to know if it is worth upgrading to a C35

LeeD
3348 posts
6 Oct 2021 11:32PM
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I guess everything is rideable, but our minds seem to think more is needed.
I used to windfoil the 600 kitewing, 64 fuze, and KS stab. Not stable, but doable.
Then I added WS fuze....better.
Then I got the 79, 310 stab, moved it up 5cm., and it worked fine.
Then 1150 which is nice.
But not with 210 stab.
Then the old 1220, 79, 310, 90, and very easy.

Grantmac
1125 posts
6 Oct 2021 11:45PM
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No specific experience with the Naish, but from my experience with other foils 95cm is a very comfortable length for overall use and going shorter gets quite pitch sensitive for windfoiling.

LeeD
3348 posts
7 Oct 2021 12:08AM
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I do miss the tighter jibes and and windswell turns with the 64 fuze.
And maybe a 95 or 115 for going fast.
But, RRD 115 with 850 front foil was not overly stable nor very fast, for me, at the time.

airsail
QLD, 800 posts
7 Oct 2021 5:24AM
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My current top speed on the HA914, 80cm fuselage and 220 stab is 20 knots when winging. I use the 914 for kitefoil too, same top speed. This is in lumpy conditions so you might get more on flat water.

Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
7 Oct 2021 8:05PM
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powersloshin said..
the 95 fuse is out of stock almost everywhere, I managed to source one from Austria, waiting for delivery. I have the 1150 wing and a kite wing I want to try for speed with that fuse. Will post feedback when it happens.
Btw what foil mast do you have? I am interested to know if it is worth upgrading to a C35



Cool, thanks.
Ive been using the 1150 too with a 2020 85cm aluminium mast so can't comment on the carbon bangers.

Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
7 Oct 2021 8:14PM
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LeeD said..
I guess everything is rideable, but our minds seem to think more is needed.
I used to windfoil the 600 kitewing, 64 fuze, and KS stab. Not stable, but doable.
Then I added WS fuze....better.
Then I got the 79, 310 stab, moved it up 5cm., and it worked fine.
Then 1150 which is nice.
But not with 210 stab.
Then the old 1220, 79, 310, 90, and very easy.


interesting progression

Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
7 Oct 2021 8:15PM
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Grantmac said..
No specific experience with the Naish, but from my experience with other foils 95cm is a very comfortable length for overall use and going shorter gets quite pitch sensitive for windfoiling.


Good to know. Thnx.

Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
7 Oct 2021 8:23PM
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airsail said..
My current top speed on the HA914, 80cm fuselage and 220 stab is 20 knots when winging. I use the 914 for kitefoil too, same top speed. This is in lumpy conditions so you might get more on flat water.


As far as i know they should be a reasonable amount faster than that windfoiling. I get to 20 knots easy windfoiling the 1150 using HA 280 stab. I'm not really going for speed either. It just happens.

powersloshin
NSW, 1364 posts
10 Oct 2021 6:46AM
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first picture I see of the long fuse, the extra length seems to go all in the front, it would need to push the foil mast all the way back to get some balance:

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Foiling-All-Foiling/~4cdmg/Naish-Ha-914.aspx?_page=1&search=sYB2xxNBjm4E2kt1KtFFWD74Htc4G94U8DoR17Ot%2FW4%3D

timbat
NSW, 26 posts
10 Oct 2021 10:18AM
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Think they mention deep tuttle masts specifically as benefiting from the new fuselage

LeeD
3348 posts
10 Oct 2021 11:09AM
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Tuttle box windsurf boards gave box located wat back, so long fuze and forward placed foil balances to work.
Most twin tracks are placed further forward than Tuttle

powersloshin
NSW, 1364 posts
10 Oct 2021 2:56PM
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yes but the idea is to try and use the longer fuse on track mount to be more stable for speed runs on smaller wings...

LeeD
3348 posts
10 Oct 2021 12:56PM
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Yup, and Naish has none available.
My 600/210 is waiting for the 95 fuze.

Sambo #
SA, 227 posts
11 Oct 2021 4:30PM
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powersloshin said..
first picture I see of the long fuse, the extra length seems to go all in the front, it would need to push the foil mast all the way back to get some balance:

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Foiling-All-Foiling/~4cdmg/Naish-Ha-914.aspx?_page=1&search=sYB2xxNBjm4E2kt1KtFFWD74Htc4G94U8DoR17Ot%2FW4%3D


The 95's for tuttle box as per Naish's website. They recommend an 80cm fuse for us box / tracks / abracadabra.

www.naishfoils.com/product/wind-wing-ha-914-foil-complete/

LeeD
3348 posts
12 Oct 2021 12:00AM
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Sometimes, we mix different parts, and have to think differently.
Stock 1150 and 280, 79 fuze is fine. 95 might be too stable to turn well.
But, 914 or 600, going for speed, might benefit from 95 fuze, especially with small stabs needed for higher speeds.
When seeking higher speeds, we live with longer radius turns.

powersloshin
NSW, 1364 posts
25 Oct 2021 5:55PM
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I tried to extend the fuse, at the rear only is easier, added about 15 cms. Tried it yesterday it felt more spongy and slow to react, but not necessarily more stable, probably would need to build the muscle memory in a few sessions:





And this is the Naish 95 cm fuse, adds 3cm at the back and 13cm at the front, just got it in the mail, will test it in a couple of days and let you know:







LeeD
3348 posts
26 Oct 2021 1:45AM
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Thinking same, but mine will look ugly compared to yours.

powersloshin
NSW, 1364 posts
1 Nov 2021 9:46PM
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So had a few sessions with the long fuse. The problem is to keep the board down if powered up. Plate goes as far back as possible, sail mast foot all the way forward, removed all straps, the front feet go beyond. Alternative is to put a shim on the stabilizer, makes things easier, but had the feeling it was dragging and made some noise.
Strapless was the best balance I could get, definitely gives you confidence in the downwind runs, today did my best speeds foiling.

LeeD
3348 posts
1 Nov 2021 11:23PM
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Too bad Naish designed the 95 for windsurf boards and not for their windfoil boards.
95 would work on old Formula boards and slalom/freerace.

LeeD
3348 posts
2 Nov 2021 12:17AM
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Upon further review, 95 should work with 600 front and 210 stab.
That combo needs to be placed about 3" forward of "other" foils, and footstraps have that much adj on Hover122's.
Another possibility is using a smaller stab, which requires moving foil forward.

timbat
NSW, 26 posts
22 Nov 2021 9:17PM
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How are people's experiences with the new 95cm fuselage going ?

LeeD
3348 posts
23 Nov 2021 12:53AM
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Doubt if more than Powersloshin managed to get the 95 fuze, and also on this forum.
As said, regular Windfoil foils don't need the 95, but smaller foils like the kite 600 with 210 fuze does, because that foil combo needs to be pushed forward 3-4" from normal windsurf position



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