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New Wizard and Switched to Axis

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Created by MilSurf > 9 months ago, 31 May 2021
MilSurf
35 posts
31 May 2021 2:23AM
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Have been on Slingshot 84 and 76 with Wizard 105 for a bit over a year and was my first foil setup. Did not use the 84 much as the 76 was much more maneuverable, faster and i found with just a little extra effort could get it going in about the same conditions. Was a great setup and progressed quickly but found I was hitting a wall. Just switched to the Wizard 114 and Axis foils. The board is lighter and you feels much smaller under foot. It takes off quicker and I'm loving the more inboard footstraps. The foil I went with Is the black series fuselage, 930 front wing and 370 rear. The foil outperforms the 76 in every way. Fit and finish are much nicer, everything also feels much tighter and secure. On the water there is no bounce or wobble. The setup is extremely maneuverable and surfy, much more so than the 76. Speed is faster on all angles of sail. Most noticeable was the glide. You could shoot downwind and surf along with barely any pressure in the sail. Sheet in and point upwind and the acceleration is insane. Jibes were so much quicker and silky smooth. Im extremely happy with the new setup, highly recommend, and cant wait to spend some more time on the water with it.


MagicRide
687 posts
31 May 2021 7:21AM
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What made you decide to bump up to the 114L Wizard? And the new 114L is lighter than your old 105L?

MilSurf
35 posts
31 May 2021 8:03AM
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I feel like I bumped down, not up. I had the blue/green 105. Although I don't have exact weights it feels lighter for sure. It's narrower and feels much smaller when sailing. The extra volume is only noticeable while not on foil and welcomed as I'm 195lbs. I really wanted the tracks to be able to try different foils and wanted the the extra strap options more inboard.

MagicRide
687 posts
31 May 2021 1:44PM
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I have the old Dialer 130L board. Having a blast with it, but it's heavy for sure. Curious how much lighter your new wizard is compared to my board. My board weighs 24 pounds without the foil on it.

azymuth
WA, 1631 posts
31 May 2021 6:40PM
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MilSurf said..
Have been on Slingshot 84 and 76 with Wizard 105 for a bit over a year and was my first foil setup. Did not use the 84 much as the 76 was much more maneuverable, faster and i found with just a little extra effort could get it going in about the same conditions. Was a great setup and progressed quickly but found I was hitting a wall. Just switched to the Wizard 114 and Axis foils. The board is lighter and you feels much smaller under foot. It takes off quicker and I'm loving the more inboard footstraps. The foil I went with Is the black series fuselage, 930 front wing and 370 rear. The foil outperforms the 76 in every way. Fit and finish are much nicer, everything also feels much tighter and secure. On the water there is no bounce or wobble. The setup is extremely maneuverable and surfy, much more so than the 76. Speed is faster on all angles of sail. Most noticeable was the glide. You could shoot downwind and surf along with barely any pressure in the sail. Sheet in and point upwind and the acceleration is insane. Jibes were so much quicker and silky smooth. Im extremely happy with the new setup, highly recommend, and cant wait to spend some more time on the water with it.






Interesting - do you mean the HPS wing, 930mm wide - designed for winging and downwinding?
Can't understand how it would be more maneuverable than the Infinity 76.
Happy to stand corrected - love to see a video of the setup in action

The Infinity 76 is an epic beginner wing. Most find the wing challenging as they go faster - over 20 knots the wing generates a lot of lift, especially riding waves or downwinding big windswells. More TOW/practice inspires confidence to drive/power-up the wing and engage 2nd gear - speed and carving go next-level

MilSurf
35 posts
31 May 2021 8:47PM
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Yep, not knocking the 76 at all! Super fun wing and had a blast on it, simply wanted to try something new and mix things up a bit. Although I don't have much time on it yet the 930 HPS feels amazing. It's quick and extremely maneuverable. For carving around through chop it glides far better than the 76 and accelerates quicker as you sheet back in and drop the hammer. It looses virtually no speed going through a jibe as I felt much faster coming around. Not sure top end speed or overall wind range yet but so far very happy with the new setup.

CoreAS
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31 May 2021 9:43PM
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Yep, not knocking the 76 at all! Super fun wing and had a blast on it, simply wanted to try something new and mix things up a bit. Although I don't have much time on it yet the 930 HPS feels amazing. It's quick and extremely maneuverable. For carving around through chop it glides far better than the 76 and accelerates quicker as you sheet back in and drop the hammer. It looses virtually no speed going through a jibe as I felt much faster coming around. Not sure top end speed or overall wind range yet but so far very happy with the new setup.



when you say the Axis is much faster is that by feel or are you using a Garmin etc? Genuinely interested not having a dig.

MilSurf
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31 May 2021 10:32PM
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Purely going off feel, I have no actual numbers to go off. Just wanted to share my experience as there was not much info about people windfoiling the Axis gear. So far very happy with the results.

thedoor
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1 Jun 2021 6:50AM
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It's a great board, and I know Axis is super big in the kiting/surf community, but less used in windfoiling so pretty sure people appreciate hearing about your good experience

WsurfAustin
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1 Jun 2021 8:23AM
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MagicRide said..
I have the old Dialer 130L board. Having a blast with it, but it's heavy for sure. Curious how much lighter your new wizard is compared to my board. My board weighs 24 pounds without the foil on it.


I have a v3 114. Spec says 14.6 lbs. Sounds right. Very light. The foil however...

KDog
191 posts
1 Jun 2021 10:06AM
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Slingshot website seems to have changed the weight of the wizard V3 when I bought mine they said 16lbs now they are saying 18 who knows I never bothered to weight mine but I might now! I am with JJ on the 76 infinity today at my local I was checking my speed and sailing angles against the mostly wing crowd me on a 5.0 Naish 4 batten most of the wings on SS 6.4 and 5.4 sling wings and Lyft 170 HA which is not a slow foil probably not a fair comparison as some wingers don't switch their stance and I think they don't have as much speed on that tack. The 76 is still a relevant wing in market full of all kinds of wings.

DarrylG
WA, 459 posts
1 Jun 2021 10:41AM
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Why would you want to compare yourself to dingers?

MagicRide
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1 Jun 2021 10:50AM
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MagicRide said..
I have the old Dialer 130L board. Having a blast with it, but it's heavy for sure. Curious how much lighter your new wizard is compared to my board. My board weighs 24 pounds without the foil on it.



I have a v3 114. Spec says 14.6 lbs. Sounds right. Very light. The foil however...


14.6 pounds! Wow! That's fantastic! There getting them down to wave board weight. Once I'm ready to switch out the dialer, I'll get a wizard.

I'm on the i84 with the dialer. I don't like going too fast in the air, so the i84 is just enough speed for me. Still can't gybe yet, but happy to tack it and pop up on foil again. Can the wizard be tacked or only gybed due to its short nose?

KDog
191 posts
1 Jun 2021 12:45PM
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That's the only thing I can compare ,as I am the only windsurf foiler around my area.

thedoor
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1 Jun 2021 1:11PM
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That's the only thing I can compare ,as I am the only windsurf foiler around my area.


The last jedi

SA_AL
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1 Jun 2021 2:40PM
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KDog said..
Slingshot website seems to have changed the weight of the wizard V3 when I bought mine they said 16lbs now they are saying 18 who knows I never bothered to weight mine but I might now! I am with JJ on the 76 infinity today at my local I was checking my speed and sailing angles against the mostly wing crowd me on a 5.0 Naish 4 batten most of the wings on SS 6.4 and 5.4 sling wings and Lyft 170 HA which is not a slow foil probably not a fair comparison as some wingers don't switch their stance and I think they don't have as much speed on that tack. The 76 is still a relevant wing in market full of all kinds of wings.


If you are looking for lighter set up, you may consider Armstrong CF1850, a very light foil kit that 85 mast/80 cm fuselage weighs 3260 gr (7.2 pounds) . Compared to Slingshot foil, it significantly lighter but more expensive. It could be combined with a lighter board to get the lightest set-up. HS1550 V2, probably similar in terms of wing characteristics to i76, is even lighter (3310 gr).

Faff
VIC, 997 posts
1 Jun 2021 6:36PM
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SA_AL said..

KDog said..
Slingshot website seems to have changed the weight of the wizard V3 when I bought mine they said 16lbs now they are saying 18 who knows I never bothered to weight mine but I might now! I am with JJ on the 76 infinity today at my local I was checking my speed and sailing angles against the mostly wing crowd me on a 5.0 Naish 4 batten most of the wings on SS 6.4 and 5.4 sling wings and Lyft 170 HA which is not a slow foil probably not a fair comparison as some wingers don't switch their stance and I think they don't have as much speed on that tack. The 76 is still a relevant wing in market full of all kinds of wings.



If you are looking for lighter set up, you may consider Armstrong CF1850, a very light foil kit that 85 mast/80 cm fuselage weighs 3260 gr (7.2 pounds) . Compared to Slingshot foil, it significantly lighter but more expensive. It could be combined with a lighter board to get the lightest set-up. HS1550 V2, probably similar in terms of wing characteristics to i76, is even lighter (3310 gr).

Armstrong told me to wait for their windsurf fuse to be released or "run the 70 fuse as far forward in the tracks as possible".

WsurfAustin
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1 Jun 2021 9:39PM
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MagicRide said..

WsurfAustin said..


MagicRide said..
I have the old Dialer 130L board. Having a blast with it, but it's heavy for sure. Curious how much lighter your new wizard is compared to my board. My board weighs 24 pounds without the foil on it.




I have a v3 114. Spec says 14.6 lbs. Sounds right. Very light. The foil however...



14.6 pounds! Wow! That's fantastic! There getting them down to wave board weight. Once I'm ready to switch out the dialer, I'll get a wizard.

I'm on the i84 with the dialer. I don't like going too fast in the air, so the i84 is just enough speed for me. Still can't gybe yet, but happy to tack it and pop up on foil again. Can the wizard be tacked or only gybed due to its short nose?


Tacking, up hauling was a challenge when I first started. The nose is very sinky. Tacking requires sail all the way back on the deck as a counterweight, then stepping over the mast to keep your feet behind the mast step. That goes for slogging as well. Your front foot has to be at least 6" behind the mast, or you'll submarine. Once you understand the sweet spot of where cg has to be, it gets easier. This is of course subjective to skill, fitness etc. I'm 140 lbs older guy. I did a lot of puff sailing yesterday, 4mph with 15mph puff sessions. Sometimes there's a 5 minute lull between the puffs. Its less energy to just drop the sail and wait rather than slogging through motor boat chop. A 130 liter wizard would certainly be easier to tack, slog around. But I'm happy now after enough time on it. I'm getting the knack of linking puffs now. Sheet in and bear off as the puff dies to maintain some speed to the next wind line. I'm still learning to jibe. Almost got it yesterday, but more work to do.

KDog
191 posts
1 Jun 2021 10:42PM
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MilSurf I am assuming that Axis mast is the 19mm what length did you go with?

MilSurf
35 posts
1 Jun 2021 10:46PM
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Yeah, 19mm. I got the 75 and 90. Nice and stiff, no issues. Much more solid connection to the fuse.

Dcharlton
205 posts
4 Jun 2021 2:28AM
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Just got the Axis 1060 wing. Can't wait to try it!

MilSurf
35 posts
4 Jun 2021 9:25AM
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Nice, I haven't tried any other wings so let me know how the bigger wing goes! Got out again today, 5.4 and super powered up. I should have rigged down but was having lots of fun. Landing a few jumps now. Small but getting a better feel. Still love the setup. The wing is fast and carvy. Glides forever and jibes are super fast. Doesn't feel draggy at all. Zero wobble. Still messing with the board, it's very slick up front off the pad, zero grip for up-hauling, need to fix that as a foot just forward of the mast is nice.

MilSurf
35 posts
14 Nov 2021 11:40PM
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I recently added a HPS 830 front wing to my setup, wanted something smaller for windier days. I have had a few days recently sailing from 3.7 in 25-30 to 4.7 lit up in around 20. The 830 is exactly what I was looking for. Never feels big or overpowered. Takes as much power and speed as you can throw at it and feels very comfortable. It does need power though to get up. You can't force or bounce it up on foil like the SS 76. You need board speed, get planning and let it lift. Once up you get the speed, glide and maneuvering that the high aspect wings offer. Perfect compliment to the 930 and very happy with the switch to Axis.

Faff
VIC, 997 posts
15 Nov 2021 6:54AM
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MilSurf said..
I recently added a HPS 830 front wing to my setup, wanted something smaller for windier days. I have had a few days recently sailing from 3.7 in 25-30 to 4.7 lit up in around 20. The 830 is exactly what I was looking for. Never feels big or overpowered. Takes as much power and speed as you can throw at it and feels very comfortable. It does need power though to get up. You can't force or bounce it up on foil like the SS 76. You need board speed, get planning and let it lift. Once up you get the speed, glide and maneuvering that the high aspect wings offer. Perfect compliment to the 930 and very happy with the switch to Axis.


Can you "bounce up" the 930? Which mast do you have? Have you had any cavitation issues?

MilSurf
35 posts
15 Nov 2021 5:48AM
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Nope, 930 can't be bounced up either. But it takes much less board speed to start flying so it's still great for a low wind wing. I think that's a HA thing. Just get a little speed and let them rise on their own. When I was on the SS 76, I could pump and bounce up on foil. The HA foils don't do that. I'm using 90cm 19 mm mast as much as possible, 70 at our shallow launches. Have read recently about mast cavitation issues but I've never experienced it.

KDog
191 posts
15 Nov 2021 6:08AM
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Not cavitation but ventilation yes it can happen but not real common with windfoiling vs wing foil I have to be pushing the 830 really fast and flying close to foilout to make it happen. Still not a lot of foils available in my part of the world so I went with Axis and have be having fun with the HA wings.I think the 930 & 830 foil up just as quick as the infinity 76 , as I still have the slingshot one of these days i will do a comparison.

Tallboy
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15 Nov 2021 6:16AM
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Nope, 930 can't be bounced up either. But it takes much less board speed to start flying so it's still great for a low wind wing. I think that's a HA thing. Just get a little speed and let them rise on their own. When I was on the SS 76, I could pump and bounce up on foil. The HA foils don't do that. I'm using 90cm 19 mm mast as much as possible, 70 at our shallow launches. Have read recently about mast cavitation issues but I've never experienced it.


Are you using the black windsurf fuse or one of the shorter ones?

MilSurf
35 posts
15 Nov 2021 7:58AM
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Yep, black windsurf fuse. I would say foil up pretty close in time with the SS, just notably a different technique.

Faff
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15 Nov 2021 10:25AM
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Yep, black windsurf fuse. I would say foil up pretty close in time with the SS, just notably a different technique.


I have a very short board. Very hard to make it glide in messy chop. Looks like I'd have to get a longer board to take advantage of HA wings.

MilSurf
35 posts
15 Nov 2021 9:37AM
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I'm on the wizard 114 and weigh 200lbs. Personally I wouldn't want a bigger board. It would be easier to generate more board speed earlier on a bigger board to get up quicker but the benefits of a smaller board outweigh the few extra pumps or having a slightly bigger sail once on foil. Also the HA wings are more enjoyable to ride in my opinion. Less draggy feeling, excellent glide. Just feels smoother once up. So taking a little more oomph to get up is well worth it.

Bender
WA, 2211 posts
15 Nov 2021 8:23PM
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I've been windfoiling on Axis kit for a 2yrs now. It works great. First I was using the original HqA 900 and the surf 750(very similar to the infinity76). I now use the blackWS fuse with the ART999 and 980. Both are fast but still very easilly turned/carved on flat water or on swells. The 980 has just as much bottom end at the Infinity76 but better top end and the ART999 is alot faster than both.








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