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Schlogging around with a foil

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Created by Dishpet Thursday, 16 May 2019
Dishpet
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Thursday , 16 May 2019 1:32AM
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A question I haven't seen answered. It's all nice and dandy flying around in sub 10 knots, but how does a board with a foil underneath behave once the schlog-fest starts at 3 knots ? Is it any easier than the experience with a normal fin or perhaps even harder ?

ZeeGerman
104 posts
Thursday , 16 May 2019 4:35AM
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I haven't got much experience but it's absolutely fresh.
I found the board more stable, but not by much.
It definitely went upwind a lot better than it does when schlogging with a fin.
Turning is slower which took about half an hour of getting used to.

IndecentExposur
64 posts
Thursday , 16 May 2019 4:52AM
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After having been foiling for well over a year (exclusively), I did try my traditional windsurfer again and found I was slipping more. The massive foil mast does provide good stability when trying to go straight.

Subsonic
WA, 1579 posts
Thursday , 16 May 2019 6:00AM
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Easier to slog than normal gear, Far less wobbly.

You do have to remember to stand back a little so the foil and board don't try to go all submarine on you.

WhiteofHeart
103 posts
Thursday , 16 May 2019 6:23AM
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And sail pressure through your toes like you're on a board with a daggerboard! Works like a charm.

Swindy
WA, 266 posts
Thursday , 16 May 2019 10:15AM
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I dont mind foiling in off shore winds as its easy to get back when it dies. Slow but easy.

duzzi
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Friday , 16 May 2019 11:13PM
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Dishpet said..
A question I haven't seen answered. It's all nice and dandy flying around in sub 10 knots, but how does a board with a foil underneath behave once the schlog-fest starts at 3 knots ? Is it any easier than the experience with a normal fin or perhaps even harder ?





Plenty slogging here because I keep rigging too small. It is as easy as a normal windsurf of the same size, the foil if anything makes it more stable. Where I sail (San Francisco Bay Area) windfoil is starting to dominate over kite foils: when they are stuck in light variable winds the windfoil cruises through or can reach distant wind lines in displacement.

Windbot
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Friday , 17 May 2019 12:43AM
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duzzi said..

Dishpet said..
A question I haven't seen answered. It's all nice and dandy flying around in sub 10 knots, but how does a board with a foil underneath behave once the schlog-fest starts at 3 knots ? Is it any easier than the experience with a normal fin or perhaps even harder ?






Plenty slogging here because I keep rigging too small. It is as easy as a normal windsurf of the same size, the foil if anything makes it more stable. Where I sail (San Francisco Bay Area) windfoil is starting to dominate over kite foils: when they are stuck in light variable winds the windfoil cruises through or can reach distant wind lines in displacement.


Duzzi, that's interesting about it starting to dominate in the Bay Area. Is see the videos of the guys kitefoiling strapless under the Golden Gate chasing freighter wakes on their tiny paipo foil boards and strutless kites and think about how sketchy it would be if the wind dropped given the currents, traffic, the man in the grey suit and more. I came to windfoiling from kitefoiling and found that for that it works better at my spot for the same reason, I can always easily get home in flaky after work winds when I'd otherwise be swimming with a kite in a knot of strings.

Dishpet, I'll take schlogging a windfoil board any day over a fin board largely because the foil mast acts a bit like a centerboard for keeping me up wind and makes things a bit more stable too. Also my windfoil board is about 120L and I'll often use it in winds where I'd otherwise be out on a 100L-ish board, the extra volume is nice.

Dishpet
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Friday , 17 May 2019 1:42AM
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duzzi said..


Dishpet said..
A question I haven't seen answered. It's all nice and dandy flying around in sub 10 knots, but how does a board with a foil underneath behave once the schlog-fest starts at 3 knots ? Is it any easier than the experience with a normal fin or perhaps even harder ?







Plenty slogging here because I keep rigging too small. It is as easy as a normal windsurf of the same size, the foil if anything makes it more stable. Where I sail (San Francisco Bay Area) windfoil is starting to dominate over kite foils: when they are stuck in light variable winds the windfoil cruises through or can reach distant wind lines in displacement.



Duzzi, that's interesting about it starting to dominate in the Bay Area. Is see the videos of the guys kitefoiling strapless under the Golden Gate chasing freighter wakes on their tiny paipo foil boards and strutless kites and think about how sketchy it would be if the wind dropped given the currents, traffic, the man in the grey suit and more. I came to windfoiling from kitefoiling and found that for that it works better at my spot for the same reason, I can always easily get home in flaky after work winds when I'd otherwise be swimming with a kite in a knot of strings.

Dishpet, I'll take schlogging a windfoil board any day over a fin board largely because the foil mast acts a bit like a centerboard for keeping me up wind and makes things a bit more stable too. Also my windfoil board is about 120L and I'll often use it in winds where I'd otherwise be out on a 100L-ish board, the extra volume is nice.


Thanks for the input, mind if I ask what board is the 120 and what foil ?

Windbot
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Friday , 17 May 2019 2:12AM
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It's a Starboard Go 122L to be exact, with a Slingshot full length mast and Infinity 84 wing.

duzzi
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Friday , 17 May 2019 3:29AM
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duzzi said..






Dishpet said..
A question I haven't seen answered. It's all nice and dandy flying around in sub 10 knots, but how does a board with a foil underneath behave once the schlog-fest starts at 3 knots ? Is it any easier than the experience with a normal fin or perhaps even harder ?











Plenty slogging here because I keep rigging too small. It is as easy as a normal windsurf of the same size, the foil if anything makes it more stable. Where I sail (San Francisco Bay Area) windfoil is starting to dominate over kite foils: when they are stuck in light variable winds the windfoil cruises through or can reach distant wind lines in displacement.







Duzzi, that's interesting about it starting to dominate in the Bay Area. Is see the videos of the guys kitefoiling strapless under the Golden Gate chasing freighter wakes on their tiny paipo foil boards and strutless kites and think about how sketchy it would be if the wind dropped given the currents, traffic, the man in the grey suit and more. I came to windfoiling from kitefoiling and found that for that it works better at my spot for the same reason, I can always easily get home in flaky after work winds when I'd otherwise be swimming with a kite in a knot of strings.

Dishpet, I'll take schlogging a windfoil board any day over a fin board largely because the foil mast acts a bit like a centerboard for keeping me up wind and makes things a bit more stable too. Also my windfoil board is about 120L and I'll often use it in winds where I'd otherwise be out on a 100L-ish board, the extra volume is nice.






Dominate might be an over statement. It all depends on wind consistency. If the wind stays above the minimum for Kitefoiling they are of course fine ... and they go fast! At Crissy Field, where you take off to reach the Golden Gate, there is always a big gradient. Stronger outside at the GG bridge. The wind can easily drop outside or inside and kites get rescued regularly there. Kitefoils have much more low end and they do fine most of the time. Although they do get rescued or self-rescue.

Much more interesting for a windfoil "dominance" is a spot like Coyote Point. The gradient there can be VERY big, and in weak days the wind line is way outside. Two days ago was one of such days, 3-4 knots inside, maybe 8-10 outside. The Windfoils rigged right (i.e. enough sail surface) took off in displacement, reached the windline and had a great time. I counted instead five kitefoils and none could get out of the dead zone ... nor they should because ... they do not float!!!



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