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Simmer Blackbird Cruz freeride foil

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Created by azymuth Two weeks ago, 17 Jun 2022
azymuth
WA, 1631 posts
17 Jun 2022 8:52PM
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Tested this beauty today - cheers Jesper
Super-impressed, does everything a freeride/surf foil should do and at a great price.
Controllable quick turns, nice carves, good speed, glides well and gets up on foil easily for its size.
Awesome quality components, fuse and mast are bulletproof and the connection is super-solid.
Easy adjustment of the rear wing.

I'm going to get one for chasing waves sketchy close to the reef at Dutchies to spare my Phantasm.


Wingspan 715 mm
Chord Width 188 mm
Chord Thickness 22 mm
Area 1100 cm2



Paducah
1862 posts
17 Jun 2022 9:14PM
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Another mid-aspect wing in the 1100-1400 range which I think is becoming the sweetspot for freeriding for a lot of us. Is that a rebadge or proprietary design? Looks a bit like the Zeeko which, imho, have always done good foils but their distribution is limited outside of France/Europe.

Brenden 2540
NSW, 6 posts
18 Jun 2022 10:05AM
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Ooh that is interesting, I have wondered about the Cruz setup, looks great.
How does it compare to SSi76 speed and carve wise ?

2keen
WA, 242 posts
18 Jun 2022 4:41PM
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I gave the Simmer Foil a run after JJ yesterday.
I was similarly impressed, whole setup felt solid and secure with an ability to carve smoothly.
As for comparing it to the Infinity 76, it needs a touch more speed to take off but looser to carve (expected as it's 1100cm sq Vs 1500 for the SS)
I like all the connections use M8's makes it all feel bulletproof

thedoor
1562 posts
18 Jun 2022 10:20PM
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I wonder if profit is using the same foil in this vid? he is a simmer guy

Clemop
47 posts
19 Jun 2022 1:56AM
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It is possible because this foil is the same as the zeeko bullet (and exocet and probably Patrick as well) and there is a 920 called bullet 920 wich is a high aspect wing.
The wing you tried is called Carve in the zeeko range

Grantmac
1426 posts
19 Jun 2022 2:26AM
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Simmer was rebranding SAB for a while, it seems they'll go with whichever OEM offers them a good price but not very cutting edge.

Brenden 2540
NSW, 6 posts
19 Jun 2022 10:40AM
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2keen said..
I gave the Simmer Foil a run after JJ yesterday.
I was similarly impressed, whole setup felt solid and secure with an ability to carve smoothly.
As for comparing it to the Infinity 76, it needs a touch more speed to take off but looser to carve (expected as it's 1100cm sq Vs 1500 for the SS)
I like all the connections use M8's makes it all feel bulletproof

Thanks mate good to know, certainly looks a solid setup. Front wing looks very much like the Zeeko carver wing. Looks user friendly in Bens video.

Swindy
WA, 441 posts
19 Jun 2022 5:24PM
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Grantmac said..
Simmer was rebranding SAB for a while, it seems they'll go with whichever OEM offers them a good price but not very cutting edge.


Cutting edge enough for Bastien to win the defi wing on the Patrik branded wings.
That's got to hurt the likes of axxis and Armstrong who seem like they are in a wing arms race to be beaten by a generic foil.
I've got the Patrik race foil and the Simmer for wingfoil. Good thing is I can use my Patrik Carbon mast with adaptor plate for winging when I get better at it.
I used the 1100 front wing yesterday for the first time in strong conditions and found it real easy to use even as a 95kg noob to winging.
If the Simmer carbon mast is as good as the Patrik basic carbon mast I would highly recommend it for windfoil. They are very stiff for a standard option.
Lastly, with worldwide supply problems still on going, it's good to be able to mix and match different branded products and know they will fit.

azymuth
WA, 1631 posts
19 Jun 2022 7:18PM
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Heaps of options with the Simmer foil system.
I'd like to test the 1600 in light winds - Roger which big wing do you have?

Front wing cm2
Simmer Blackbird Surf 2400, 2000, 1600, 1300
Blackbird Cruz, 1100
Race, 920, 700, 650

Rear wing cm2
255, 280, 310

Mast cm
Alu 75, 85
Carbon 85, 98

Fuselage cm
55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 105, 115

Plates for top of alu masts
Tuttle
Powerbox
Track plate

Swindy
WA, 441 posts
19 Jun 2022 8:19PM
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I got the 1600, need 15 kn and a 6m wing to get me up but I'm a beginner with very little technique yet. Might give it a go on windfoil next time I go out in light wind just to see how it goes. Could be interesting on a long fuse and a race sail

CoreAS
680 posts
19 Jun 2022 8:59PM
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Very interesting JJ, I must admit I didn't even know simmer had a foil set up?

great stuff

Brenden 2540
NSW, 6 posts
23 Jun 2022 9:45PM
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azymuth said..
Heaps of options with the Simmer foil system.
I'd like to test the 1600 in light winds - Roger which big wing do you have?

Front wing cm2
Simmer Blackbird Surf 2400, 2000, 1600, 1300
Blackbird Cruz, 1100
Race, 920, 700, 650

Rear wing cm2
255, 280, 310

Mast cm
Alu 75, 85
Carbon 85, 98

Fuselage cm
55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 105, 115

Plates for top of alu masts
Tuttle
Powerbox
Track plate


Thanks for the feedback JJ. Ordered Cruz 1100 this week.

thedoor
1562 posts
23 Jun 2022 9:00PM
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Out of curiosity. How does the alu simmer pricing compare to the hoverglide?

Paducah
1862 posts
23 Jun 2022 9:16PM
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thedoor said..
Out of curiosity. How does the alu simmer pricing compare to the hoverglide?



US prices: www.loopeewindsurfing.com/category-s/2391.htm

Also... zeeko-kites.com/gb/74-foils

aeroegnr
741 posts
23 Jun 2022 9:31PM
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Really making me wonder: Simmer Cruz vs. Starboard SuperFlyer. I would like a more slippery freeride foil.

ZeroVix
288 posts
23 Jun 2022 9:47PM
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Does anyone have experience with the Zeeko Bullet carbon mast (95HM, 95 MJ40, 102 HM) vs Patrik, Exocet and Simmer? I don't see any feedback on the Zeeko Dual Box Mast system. Anyone? Would be interesting to mix and match some Zeeko race gear with Simmer Freeride for some.

zeeko-kites.com/gb/windfoil-series/501-bullet-windfoil--3760253112314.html

thedoor
1562 posts
23 Jun 2022 10:25PM
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Paducah said..



thedoor said..
Out of curiosity. How does the alu simmer pricing compare to the hoverglide?






US prices: www.loopeewindsurfing.com/category-s/2391.htm

Also... zeeko-kites.com/gb/74-foils




oh damn. And it sounds like this simmer foil is upgradable to carbon mast without changing fuse?

edit: But carbon mast looks tuttle only?

edit 2: Looks like there is an 85 cm carbon pedastal mast

azymuth
WA, 1631 posts
24 Jun 2022 8:58AM
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Brenden 2540 said..Thanks for the feedback JJ. Ordered Cruz 1100 this week.


Nice
Let us know how your first sessions go.

mr love
VIC, 2161 posts
24 Jun 2022 6:03PM
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Paducah said..
Another mid-aspect wing in the 1100-1400 range which I think is becoming the sweetspot for freeriding for a lot of us. Is that a rebadge or proprietary design? Looks a bit like the Zeeko which, imho, have always done good foils but their distribution is limited outside of France/Europe.


Yes its all Zeeko bits..same as Patrik



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