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Slingshot Shredsled

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Created by thedoor 1 month ago, 2 Sep 2020
thedoor
579 posts
2 Sep 2020 12:02AM
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utcminusfour
138 posts
2 Sep 2020 2:25AM
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What does it weigh? How old is the Shred Sled in the pic? Looks crispy and sunburnt already!

thedoor
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2 Sep 2020 3:18AM
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What does it weigh? How old is the Shred Sled in the pic? Looks crispy and sunburnt already!

19lbs with the mast base. I think its a spray on tan, cause I just got it yesterday.

Jezza22
8 posts
2 Sep 2020 4:56AM
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Very similar to a JP Foil 7'0 but with more volume

thedoor
579 posts
3 Sep 2020 2:54AM
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2 sessions in very marginal conditions, still getting the mast base and foil mast positions dialed.

It shlogs real nice (longboardish).

Not sure about this no foot strap thing

PS: one of the sessions was 5-10mph and I foiled about 5% of the time with a 5.7 and infinity 99. My buddy on a wing board with 6.0 wing and infinity 99 was foiling 50% of the time. We are about the same weight. Generally, I consider myself to be a pretty good light wind sail foiler but what he was doing was next level

Paddlezz
98 posts
3 Sep 2020 3:42AM
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The most noticeable tech wise difference is the fairly forward foil track position,
how is that short distance of the frontfeet to masttrack feel with wind foiling?

thedoor
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3 Sep 2020 4:03AM
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Paddlezz said..
The most noticeable tech wise difference is the fairly forward foil track position,
how is that short distance of the frontfeet to masttrack feel with wind foiling?


I haven't had enough wind or TOW to make an accurate comparison. On the levitator I have the infinity 99 mast all the way forward and on the shred sled I ended up putting it nearly all the way back after the first session

I generally like having the front foot closer to the mast which is one of the reasons why I am considering the shredsled versus levitator for lightwind

for example on the freestyle 115/76 my front foot is ~ 12 inch from mast and my back foot is ~36 inch from mast, but on my levitator 150/99 my front foot is ~20 inch from mast and my back foot is ~40 inch from mast.

I very much prefer the more forward front foot placement, because it is much easier to shift my weight forward and control a lifting foil. On the levitator when I am starting to overfoil I will often endup needing to shift my back foot forward to control a lifting foil, as weight shifting does not provide as much leverage (I guess it's more a function of how far forward your front foot is from the foil mast as that is the pivot point).

thedoor
579 posts
4 Sep 2020 10:20AM
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Pretty good session on the shredsled/infinity 99. More wind (15-20mph) than I am planning to use this combo but I wanted to get things dialed. I ended up moving the foil all the way forwards and the mast track ended up about 1/4 from the back of the track. With those settings it is very agile and I find the straps allow me to control this better, at least for now. It is better at swell riding than my levitator, but not quite as good as the smaller freestyle 115.

My preliminary assessment: For beginners, or those with light wind-flat water conditions I would still recommend the levitator or a bigger wizard. But if someone intends to foil sup, swell ride or wing in addition to windfoil, and they don't mind a little more challenge if they are learning to windfoil the shredsled could be a great option

Boracay.Villas
18 posts
5 Sep 2020 12:40PM
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Wow...
the designs being pushed out for winging are becoming more and more scattered, its almost looking like my stubby surf board, with a kick tail.
time to get out the youtube and some fibreglass.

by the way, the guys from Italy...seateck ...great shipping.
i have 2 foil boxes here good to go.

thedoor
579 posts
6 Sep 2020 12:21PM
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Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.

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azymuth
WA, 1186 posts
6 Sep 2020 7:00PM
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thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
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Nice going - tasty windswells - where are you sailing?

dejavu
274 posts
6 Sep 2020 9:49PM
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thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
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Nice video.

Your front foot appears to be very, very close to the sail's mast base. In the video it appears to be only a few inches back of the base - - are there foot strap inserts that close to the mast track? Were you using front foot straps or are they set up only for winging? I would assume having your front foot this far forward would give you a lot of control (shifting weight) over the foil.

thedoor
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6 Sep 2020 10:27PM
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thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
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Nice going - tasty windswells - where are you sailing?


SF bay. It's tidal so when it's ebbing you can still can some nice swell in light wind.

Albanian Park of San Francisco
goo.gl/maps/x1HPbYxWDSVfrTkRA

thedoor
579 posts
6 Sep 2020 11:16PM
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thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
?t=180




Nice video.

Your front foot appears to be very, very close to the sail's mast base. In the video it appears to be only a few inches back of the base - - are there foot strap inserts that close to the mast track? Were you using front foot straps or are they set up only for winging? I would assume having your front foot this far forward would give you a lot of control (shifting weight) over the foil.


Yes my preferred set up is having the front foot about 12 inchs from the mast, which does give me heaps of leverage over the foil and eliminates the need (at least for me) to shift the back foot around to control overfoiling. Of course you need to adjust foil track and mast track accordingly.

On this board with the front strap all the way back and the i99 all the way forward in the track the mast base ended up about 10 inches from the mast base (I suspect slightly further back would be better, so may try half straps in the front).

The strap inserts are for winging or supfoiling I believe and I think it is intended to be sailed strapless. However, at this stage I am much happier in straps. I used Azy's offset screw strategy to duck things out a bit.











dejavu
274 posts
7 Sep 2020 11:13AM
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thedoor said..

dejavu said..


thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
?t=180





Nice video.

Your front foot appears to be very, very close to the sail's mast base. In the video it appears to be only a few inches back of the base - - are there foot strap inserts that close to the mast track? Were you using front foot straps or are they set up only for winging? I would assume having your front foot this far forward would give you a lot of control (shifting weight) over the foil.



Yes my preferred set up is having the front foot about 12 inchs from the mast, which does give me heaps of leverage over the foil and eliminates the need (at least for me) to shift the back foot around to control overfoiling. Of course you need to adjust foil track and mast track accordingly.

On this board with the front strap all the way back and the i99 all the way forward in the track the mast base ended up about 10 inches from the mast base (I suspect slightly further back would be better, so may try half straps in the front).

The strap inserts are for winging or supfoiling I believe and I think it is intended to be sailed strapless. However, at this stage I am much happier in straps. I used Azy's offset screw strategy to duck things out a bit.












O.K. and thanks -- I understand. I did the same thing with the centre back strap on my FS 115 to cross over the Tuttle box and still keep the single strap pretty much straight. I'm not sure if Slingshot has an even wider strap, which would solve the offset issue.

thedoor
579 posts
7 Sep 2020 12:00PM
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thedoor said..


dejavu said..



thedoor said..
Getting this board dialled. Super fun session. Was a little OP on 5.7 and i99 but only one breach the entire session and no need to come out of the back strap. Super maneuverable. thanks to Jim for filming.
?t=180






Nice video.

Your front foot appears to be very, very close to the sail's mast base. In the video it appears to be only a few inches back of the base - - are there foot strap inserts that close to the mast track? Were you using front foot straps or are they set up only for winging? I would assume having your front foot this far forward would give you a lot of control (shifting weight) over the foil.




Yes my preferred set up is having the front foot about 12 inchs from the mast, which does give me heaps of leverage over the foil and eliminates the need (at least for me) to shift the back foot around to control overfoiling. Of course you need to adjust foil track and mast track accordingly.

On this board with the front strap all the way back and the i99 all the way forward in the track the mast base ended up about 10 inches from the mast base (I suspect slightly further back would be better, so may try half straps in the front).

The strap inserts are for winging or supfoiling I believe and I think it is intended to be sailed strapless. However, at this stage I am much happier in straps. I used Azy's offset screw strategy to duck things out a bit.












O.K. and thanks -- I understand. I did the same thing with the centre back strap on my FS 115 to cross over the Tuttle box and still keep the single strap pretty much straight. I'm not sure if Slingshot has an even wider strap, which would solve the offset issue.


Their kite surfstrap crosses the tuttle if you remove the metal plate

thedoor
579 posts
7 Sep 2020 12:03PM
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Half straps were no good, I went back the straps as above and I am liking it.

The shredsled rides like a large SS Freestyle compared to the levitator that rides like a large wizard.

Also keep in mind the track on the shredsled is very far forward so it rides like a much smaller board. But this extra length is great for schlogging.

Overall very happy with the levitator as a windfoil board

azymuth
WA, 1186 posts
7 Sep 2020 9:34PM
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thedoor said..SF bay. Albanian Park of San Francisco

goo.gl/maps/x1HPbYxWDSVfrTkRA


Nothing comes up for Albanian Park?

I had a few fun sessions at Burlingame, Coyote Point in the early 80's - is it around there?

thedoor
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7 Sep 2020 9:44PM
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thedoor said..SF bay. Albanian Park of San Francisco


goo.gl/maps/x1HPbYxWDSVfrTkRA



Nothing comes up for Albanian Park?

I had a few fun sessions at Burlingame, Coyote Point in the early 80's - is it around there?


Its about 30 min for coyote point. Google treasure island, san francisco

Coyote point is my main spot, but we move around the bay depending on wind conditions. The bay area is blessed with so many cool places to sail. Traffic can be a problem though in non-covid times.

thedoor
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7 Sep 2020 9:51PM
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Half straps were no good, I went back the straps as above and I am liking it.

The shredsled rides like a large SS Freestyle compared to the levitator that rides like a large wizard.

Also keep in mind the track on the shredsled is very far forward so it rides like a much smaller board. But this extra length is great for schlogging.

Overall very happy with the levitator as a windfoil board


Correction: "very happy with the shredsled as a windfoil board". I am yet to try it as a a sup or wing board

I do prefer the riding style of the shredsled versus levitator, but that isn't for everyone, and I suspect the levitator will have a light wind advantage, so it will be interesting to see which board gets the most use in winter.

excav8ter
294 posts
12 Oct 2020 9:59PM
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Have you tried to use the Shred Sled with a wingy thingy?

thedoor
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12 Oct 2020 11:23PM
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Have you tried to use the Shred Sled with a wingy thingy?


Nope, not yet

excav8ter
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13 Oct 2020 12:20AM
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thedoor said..

excav8ter said..
Have you tried to use the Shred Sled with a wingy thingy?



Nope, not yet


I guess you mentioned that previously and I missed it.

I have been looking for a wing foil board and have a Quatro wing drifter pro in 6 foot x 30" to pick up layer this week. I'd LOVE a legit 3 in 1 board for ease of taking gear, but it's probably not realistic.

thedoor
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13 Oct 2020 12:32AM
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thedoor said..


excav8ter said..
Have you tried to use the Shred Sled with a wingy thingy?




Nope, not yet



I guess you mentioned that previously and I missed it.

I have been looking for a wing foil board and have a Quatro wing drifter pro in 6 foot x 30" to pick up layer this week. I'd LOVE a legit 3 in 1 board for ease of taking gear, but it's probably not realistic.


Yeah, I am sure it would be good for someone to learn to wing on. Seems like wingers right are doing what we did in kiteboarding 20 years ago: a race to the smallest board possible. I expect this trend to reverse a bit for old geezers, but that could be complete BS as I have never winged.

I think if someone wanted to buy a foil board and explore wing and sail foiling +/- sup foil the shredsled is a great option.

If someone was a dedicated windfoiler like me then the shredsled is a super manuervable light to medium wind board, but it wouldn't be their high wind windfoil board.

I think if someone wanted a "one board that can sail and wing foil well", my vote would be the wizard 115. That is very good in light wind and can handle up to 30mph windfoiling and i think it's a small enough size for most wingers to be satisfied with.

dejavu
274 posts
14 Oct 2020 11:58PM
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Shipmate
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15 Oct 2020 3:36AM
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Does the 75cm apply to the Levitator as well? I assume that dimension is from the leading edge of the foil mast to the center of the pin (I'm using euro pin base)? I that the correct?

thedoor
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15 Oct 2020 4:08AM
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Does the 75cm apply to the Levitator as well? I assume that dimension is from the leading edge of the foil mast to the center of the pin (I'm using euro pin base)? I that the correct?


I don't think so, unless you are strapless. The further the front foot is from the universal, the further forward the universal needs to be to balance lift. And the levitator front strap is about 20 inch from the universal.. So I think it would be a greater distance on the levitator. I could measure what i use on the levitator and shredsled when I get home, if I remember

Also I think we should take foil mast to universal distance recommendations with a grain of salt as it is just one of the variables needed to balance the lift of the foil, other factors include board size, rider weight, foot strap span, distance of front strap to the universal, sail type/size.

Samkyo
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15 Oct 2020 4:56AM
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Feel like the 75 cm is for the use of the I76 and can be use as datum. At this moment we don't need any more switch fuse C position for the bigger wing we just move the all foil forward without moving the universal

thedoor
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15 Oct 2020 5:45AM
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I am still using C position for the i99 and putting it all the way forward in the track for shredsled and w114. But I do like to have a very heavy front foot.

thedoor
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15 Oct 2020 12:40PM
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Does the 75cm apply to the Levitator as well? I assume that dimension is from the leading edge of the foil mast to the center of the pin (I'm using euro pin base)? I that the correct?


FYI

for the levitator150 /i99 in C I use a universal to foil mast distance of 90 cm (which is actually near the closest you can get them on the levitator)

for the shredsled/i99 in C I use 65 cm (a little shocking to me, but i measured twice)

for the wizard 114/i99 in C I use 79 cm

This all makes sense to me as the front footstrap is proportionally position further from the mast track Shredsled < w114 < Levi 150

excav8ter
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Saturday , 17 Oct 2020 7:55AM
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Shipmate said..
Does the 75cm apply to the Levitator as well? I assume that dimension is from the leading edge of the foil mast to the center of the pin (I'm using euro pin base)? I that the correct?





FYI

for the levitator150 /i99 in C I use a universal to foil mast distance of 90 cm (which is actually near the closest you can get them on the levitator)

for the shredsled/i99 in C I use 65 cm (a little shocking to me, but i measured twice)

for the wizard 114/i99 in C I use 79 cm

This all makes sense to me as the front footstrap is proportionally position further from the mast track Shredsled < w114 < Levi 150




How do you keep the nose down on the Shred Sled with the i99 in C position? Do you stand with both feet by the mast base?

I'm picking up a KT surfing, Quatro wing drifter pro tomorrow. I ordered the 6'x30". Hoping to compare foil mast track placement side by side with the Shred Sled. I feel like in pictures, the foil tracks are quite far forward on the shred sled, making it feel like it's less than 7 feet long. Am I the only one that thinks that?



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