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tootall
tootall
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
6 Jul 2013 4:26pm
G'day to all.

I've been hanging around these forums for a while, but this is my first post, so go easy!
I'm pretty new to this windsurfing stuff, but have been racing sailing dinghies since very young and would love to get into some windsurfing course racing. At the moment I'm messing around on a JF Funride 145 and I'm not yet fully confident in the straps (but getting there).

I'm soon to be moving to Albury/Wodonga, and I'm not too sure what the local windsurfing scene is like (if any). I would most likely be fitting in with the sailing club and racing within a mixed fleet. I would be planning on travelling interstate for some of the bigger Regattas during the summer.

I have done some research on the matter and have come up with a few options, and would like some opinions on their viability.

1. Longboard - Pros: wind range, can sail within Raceboard rules/yardstick. Cons: LONG! (btw how do you folk transport these things!?!) A Raceboard setup is getting expensive...
Example: Starboard Phantom 377, Kona One, Exocet RS 380 etc

2. Hybrid - Pros: wind range, easier to transport. Cons: not particularly good at anything
Example: Starboard Phantom 320, NP RS:X/RS:One, Others??

3. Formula - Pros: fast! Cons: Lacks bottom end of wind range, most expensive option(?)

4. The WOD - Pros: decent fleets in some areas. Cons: would prefer something a bit more modern (but can be swayed)

At the moment I'm leaning towards the Kona One Design, but I'm not sure of it's Aussie popularity and would be probably better off with a Raceboard (long or hybrid) if there's not many around.
I've pretty much ruled out the Formula idea, but could be swayed if the fleets are bigger than I expect. I hate having to wait for wind.

Sorry for the long post, but I would really appreciate some opinions/advice.

Oh and btw, I'm 199cm tall and weigh about 90-95kg

Cheers

Tootall.

fjdoug
fjdoug
ACT
548 posts
ACT, 548 posts
6 Jul 2013 6:37pm
if there is not any existing fleet, i would grab a longboard and jump in with the yachts at AWYC.
no need for anything too fancy, maybe an old IMCO/Equipe, lightning etc.

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Jul 2013 6:43pm
From chatting on utube I know one windsurfer in Albury. I don't think he is into racing. I'd be surprised if there windsurf racing happens there. Around Sydney, in Sydney, Wollongong and Newcastle there are quite a few racers and a few different racing fleets. They are mainly WOD and formula with slalom when wind is up. I don't think there are any Kona One fleets. I've only seen one Kona One once in Sydney. There is a bit of longboard racing too.

Not many windsurfers race. However there is an alternative to racing while still being competitive. This is with GPS sailing and the GPS Teams Challenge. This might suit you very well at Albury.
pirrad
pirrad
SA
850 posts
SA, 850 posts
6 Jul 2013 6:48pm
fjdoug said..

if there is not any existing fleet, i would grab a longboard and jump in with the yachts at AWYC.
no need for anything too fancy, maybe an old IMCO/Equipe, lightning etc.



Last year after a brief encounter with a sailable sup (my WOD was way better) I did lots of research and settled for a f2 lightning (world cup race)
there's plenty of boards out there like this and some are still competitive with the current model stuff.
SeaSkip
SeaSkip
VIC
97 posts
VIC, 97 posts
6 Jul 2013 7:59pm
Hi Tootall,
Mobydisc mentioned that I sail here, well, myself and two other regulars and another three we don't see much.
I've been sailing for 18 months, so still figuring it out.
I'm super keen, so will be out whatever the temp. South Easterlies straight off the snow in 8 degree water during winter demand insulation and 41 degree days with fresh northerlies in summer, end up jumping in to cool down.
Mobydisc also mentioned the GPS team challenge, this has enticed me for a while now. I need to either approach an existing team or start new.
I make it down to PortPhillip a bit, 3.5 hrs down the Hume.
Being a Dam the water level in the Hume weir can change greatly year to year, having come out of drought it is full- ish, but can get down to pretty much nothing and stay there for years! There are other Dams around within a hour,I've been meaning to check out.
PM me your number if you want some buddies here.
Welcome.
bushfire
bushfire
NSW
354 posts
NSW, 354 posts
7 Jul 2013 12:59am
Hi Tootall,

I lived in Albury for about 5 years about 10 years ago, and I reckon I sailed about 10 times in total over that time! The most windless place I've ever lived in , so much so that I took up water skiing instead! (although I do remember having one good sail on a formula board on the lake)

I agree with Doug & pirrad - pick up a raceboard if you are interested in racing - good in all conditions, good at racing with the dinghies. The only regular racing, to my knowledge, occurs in Wollongong (Raceboard + Formula), Sydney (R&F& WOD) and Lake Macquarie (Formula). The NSW Tour (R & F) races from Hawks Nest in the North to Huskisson in the South. Not sure about what is happening in Canberra?

RSX & Techno race very infrequently.

Great that Seaskip is keeping things going on the lake
Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
7 Jul 2013 9:08am
hey tootall, yeah, i lived in smallbury for ages, i sailed the hume wier heaps, good fun, something different, patchy, flattish runs, and when you fall in, you can have a drink, ha, albury was pretty crap for a windsurfing life.....but its sweet for a boxing life, heaps of boxing gyms, some great boxers come out of albury, eg kane melbourne, johhny"fists of thunder" miller, , good luck man......................my friend is riding this absoulte isoar, its about 154l, 59 w, 2.8long, he kills it, plains early, and seems to push it past thirty no worries, its a mid nineties slalom board
tootall
tootall
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
7 Jul 2013 10:15am
Thanks for the replies guys.

By the sounds of it a raceboard is the way to go - with the predominately light winds and the fact that I'll be racing within a fleet of dinghies.

SeaSkip - I'll be moving in about 6 weeks, so I'll PM you my number as the date draws closer. Maybe I can help you get that GPS team together too.

Bushfire - thanks for the info on the NSW racing scene. While I doubt I will be able to get to all events, I'll certainly be attempting to get to more than a couple.

Milsy - maybe I should take up boxing instead! At 199cm tall I'd have a killer reach!

Just a couple more questions:

How do the older (ie 1990s) raceboards hold up against the newer, fancier designs? Will I be competitive to the Aussie Raceboard Yardsticks (99 for us heavyweights)??

According to Windsurfing Australia, the Aussie Raceboard rules stipulate a max sail size of 7.5m. It still still accurate? What sail would you recommend? I'm looking at the Severne NCX 7.5...

Also, as a relative newby to windsurfing - am I too inexperienced for formula? (I know I ruled it out, and probably shouldn't be considering it with the light winds, but just thought I'd ask)

Thanks again for your advice.

TooTall.
Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
7 Jul 2013 1:24pm
hey man, as far as comparing boards, big matty, about 100kg, has started windsurfing at home recently, he turns up on a bic vivace race board, 2.99l, 59w, and 150litres, oh how i laughed and laughed at him........his kicking my butt!, that board seems to plain early, his pushed it past 32kts, his doing nearly 22kt alphas, he rides it with modern sails, loft race sails, an 8.6 and 7.3 and uses a jp36 weedy(fin), the board is going great gunns, their werid sizes compared to modern boards, thier heaps longer and narrower,,,,,i dont know about raceboard rules, formula they go as big as 12m, with a little bit of practise, formula would be doable for anyone, it might not be the best way to regain some skills when starting out, it is big and sails differently to free riding, but once your up and going, formula isnt a bad choice for light winds, but there is probably easier forms of light wind sailing, thats still good,,, you'd be a great boxer at that hieght, actually, at that hieght, you better be careful a plane doesn't crash into you,
pirrad
pirrad
SA
850 posts
SA, 850 posts
7 Jul 2013 12:58pm
pirrad said..
I did lots of research and settled for a f2 lightning (world cup race)
there's plenty of boards out there like this and some are still competitive with the current model stuff.


I use a 7.4 no cam on my lightning, just got a 8.3 cammed but haven't tried it yet.
Just picked up one of these www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Old-Competition-SPEED-board-Sail-Range/
Haven't used it yet either but these are a cheap option to progress with as apposed to spending big bucks on modern equipment, considering you stated that your not fully confident in the straps yet.
Jeffrosail
Jeffrosail
QLD
169 posts
QLD, 169 posts
7 Jul 2013 1:40pm
Hi tootall

I just read this post. 2 comments:

I don't think you can go past an Ezzy sail. They are great and they will last much better than the NCX (in my opinion). There should be some on seabreeze. 2nd hand should be fine (I would get a freeride 2010 or later).

You can't go past a formula board in light winds as they get up and plane earlier, so dont rule them out. There should be some older ones on seabreeze which will be a good start.





JackAcat
JackAcat
QLD
2 posts
QLD, 2 posts
7 Jul 2013 4:59pm
Gday tootall, I've been sailing on Lake Hume for 20 years. Mostly skiffs and now catamarans. Recently getting into the windsurfing scene also and loving it on Lake Hume. Almost everyday from 8am to 11am we get a constant south easterly ranging from 12 to 18 knots (even better in summer), which gets me up and planning in and out with my 7.8m and formula board. So i disagree with bushfire about being "windless". Its just what you make of it. Very rarely it gets over 20 knots, but it does happen and we definitely make the most of it. Jump on the AWYC website and have a look. Won't be long and lake will be back up to 100%
tootall
tootall
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
8 Jul 2013 7:29pm
Thanks for all the replies guys.

JackAcat - Good to know there are a few windsurfers on the lake and that it's nearing 100%. Also about the fact that it's not always windless!

Despite my late surge of interest in formula racing, I think I've decided to go for the raceboarding option. I guess the only issues now are finding a second hand raceboard in decent condition and figuring out how to transport 3.8m of board!


Tootall.
da vecta
da vecta
QLD
2515 posts
QLD, 2515 posts
8 Jul 2013 10:40pm
Perfect choice for the Lake. Especially if you can already sail/race. If you learn to rail it up upwind you will get hooked for sure. There's a few gems of Raceboards that come through on ebay from time to time. I got my Speed 250 for $55. BTW, you can race with up to 9.5 now.
bushfire
bushfire
NSW
354 posts
NSW, 354 posts
10 Jul 2013 1:36pm
Hi Tootall,

The raceboard class has 9.5m as a maximum sail size for racing. The current favourite sail is the Severne Raceboard 9.5m.

Good luck!

Hey JackAcat - I'm pleased that the wind is more consistent! I must have been unlucky or maybe my memory is failing (probably the latter - old age)
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