Forums > Windsurfing General

Current availability of new gear here in AUS

Reply
Created by Orange Whip A week ago, 12 May 2022
Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
12 May 2022 8:43PM
Thumbs Up

Looking at AUS retailer's websites, there seems to be very little supply of new boards and sails currently, unless you're a Fanatic, Goya or Duotone devotee. Anyone concerned? What's the reason? Covid hangover with production? or Covid hangover with lack of demand here?

mob dog
NSW, 220 posts
12 May 2022 9:54PM
Thumbs Up

Hope it's not going the same way as the auto manufacturers where they have realised that they can make more money by manufacturing to order rather than just producing and sending out stock. Auto industry insiders say that supply shortages are over and there never was a shipping crisis ,cars are all now shipped on special ships and Hyundai owns their own ships but their still claiming shipping problems, looks like the days of cheap cars are over and high prices and long wait times are here to stay. Other businesses could be jumping on this new method as well.

mr love
VIC, 2132 posts
12 May 2022 10:27PM
Thumbs Up

Covid realted issues with factory staffing and through the entire supply chain for materials. Manufacturers have not been able to meet demand so will take time to catch up.

PhilUK
416 posts
12 May 2022 10:49PM
Thumbs Up

Same in the UK I think. Lack of raw materials to build stuff, then shipping log jams. With China going back into lockdown again in some area, this might have a continued knock on affect.

Windxtasy
WA, 3939 posts
13 May 2022 2:07PM
Thumbs Up

Second wind has just received a big shipment of AV boards

choco
SA, 3757 posts
13 May 2022 3:46PM
Thumbs Up

Custom board builders in Oz

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
13 May 2022 7:02PM
Thumbs Up

I wonder what it would cost to get a custom sail made in AUS. Probably couldn't jump over the price and would make new prices seem reasonable . A lot of labour involved in making a sail.

Imax1
QLD, 3698 posts
13 May 2022 8:04PM
Thumbs Up

I feel your pain Whippy . I know you like a V8 . I don't think anyone in Aus makes sails . You could try firing up NS . My beloved NP V8 9.4 is , how can I say , flogged out . The battens look like the protruding ribs of a dead cow in the desert . It's had two major repairs and is more sail tape than sail . It's comfy like a doona and still gets me going faster than I should . Apparently Australian stockists won't import a 9.4 , only on order . 6 to 9 months ,..........WTF !
Ive got a near new DoubleTone S type , ( thin luff pocket 3 cam ) , to replace it when it blows up , but I know I won't love it as much .
Thinking of selling it and paying the bul**** price of a new NP V8 and just waiting ???
The last time I seen a second hand NP V8 9.4 for sale was never , ever .

ps , anyone with a decent NP V8 9.4 for sale .....call me .

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
13 May 2022 8:57PM
Thumbs Up

Yeah, iCat, my 7.7 has got tape on it, and being my most used sail, I desperately need a new one soon. Want a new '21 or '22, but none in AUS at the moment, Reg said he had one coming mid-April but but won't reply with an update, so I assume I won't see it before new year. Worth the wait I guess, nothing compares to a NP V8

Imax1
QLD, 3698 posts
13 May 2022 9:10PM
Thumbs Up

Unfortunately they are a fragile sail . But so sexy . High maintenance like a fast woman and a slow racehorse.

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
13 May 2022 9:14PM
Thumbs Up

Yes, they make me warm and fuzzy between sailing sessions.

Imax1
QLD, 3698 posts
13 May 2022 9:19PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Orange Whip said..
Yes, they make me warm and fuzzy between sailing sessions.


Between sailing sessions ?
Never tried them that way .

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
13 May 2022 9:25PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Imax1 said..


Orange Whip said..
Yes, they make me warm and fuzzy between sailing sessions.




Between sailing sessions ?
Never tried them that way .



Yeah mate, I get my monies worth out of mine. Wash with fresh water after use, mind you.

airsail
QLD, 881 posts
13 May 2022 9:28PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Orange Whip said..
I wonder what it would cost to get a custom sail made in AUS. Probably couldn't jump over the price and would make new prices seem reasonable . A lot of labour involved in making a sail.


I used to work at a local sailboard sailmaker many years ago, The material isn't an issue, it's all the plastic bits and pieces that go into a sail now which are difficult to source. I guess 3D printing could make a lot now but you still need a the tapes and webbing. Then a lazer cutter to accurately cut the panels prior to gluing together before sewing. All doable but probably 8 hrs labour plus materials so the cost is getting up there. We couldn't compete with China and their low labour rates.

Imax1
QLD, 3698 posts
13 May 2022 9:29PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Orange Whip said..


Imax1 said..




Orange Whip said..
Yes, they make me warm and fuzzy between sailing sessions.






Between sailing sessions ?
Never tried them that way .





Yeah mate, I get my monies worth out of mine. Wash with fresh water after use, mind you.



Your so romantic . I treat mine like a two bob whore , ( only on the water ) , Never get a wash . And they still love me .

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
13 May 2022 9:33PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
airsail said..

Orange Whip said..
I wonder what it would cost to get a custom sail made in AUS. Probably couldn't jump over the price and would make new prices seem reasonable . A lot of labour involved in making a sail.



I used to work at a local sailboard sailmaker many years ago, The material isn't an issue, it's all the plastic bits and pieces that go into a sail now which are difficult to source. I guess 3D printing could make a lot now but you still need a the tapes and webbing. Then a lazer cutter to accurately cut the panels prior to gluing together before sewing. All doable but probably 8 hrs labour plus materials so the cost is getting up there. We couldn't compete with China and their low labour rates.


Well, the biggest factor before any of that is whether they know how to make one. I.e. I reckon there's a bit of knowledge of WS sails design needed to contemplate it, considering sail makers in AUS would be making sails for boating? They would have to deconstruct an existing sail to know where to start?

Mark _australia
WA, 21333 posts
13 May 2022 10:02PM
Thumbs Up

^^^ I think you just upset a few people who make WS sails in Oz

sheddweller
27 posts
14 May 2022 12:28AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said..
^^^ I think you just upset a few people who make WS sails in Oz


who?

mkseven
QLD, 2297 posts
14 May 2022 2:51AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Imax1 said..
I feel your pain Whippy . I know you like a V8 . I don't think anyone in Aus makes sails . You could try firing up NS . My beloved NP V8 9.4 is , how can I say , flogged out . The battens look like the protruding ribs of a dead cow in the desert . It's had two major repairs and is more sail tape than sail . It's comfy like a doona and still gets me going faster than I should . Apparently Australian stockists won't import a 9.4 , only on order . 6 to 9 months ,..........WTF !
Ive got a near new DoubleTone S type , ( thin luff pocket 3 cam ) , to replace it when it blows up , but I know I won't love it as much .
Thinking of selling it and paying the bul**** price of a new NP V8 and just waiting ???
The last time I seen a second hand NP V8 9.4 for sale was never , ever .

ps , anyone with a decent NP V8 9.4 for sale .....call me .


Seriously? What do you think team riders & guys that turn up with vans full of new kit go through each year., if you're lucky you get a little pre-release info but just order & wait. Just ask your shop when orders close by then just order & look forward to when new sail arrives.

aus368
NSW, 179 posts
14 May 2022 1:09PM
Thumbs Up

Barracouta Sails in Sydney make windsurfing sails, latest Raceboard nationals was won by Nathan Clift using latest design from Barracouta.

John340
QLD, 2565 posts
14 May 2022 1:46PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
mkseven said..

Imax1 said..
I feel your pain Whippy . I know you like a V8 . I don't think anyone in Aus makes sails . You could try firing up NS . My beloved NP V8 9.4 is , how can I say , flogged out . The battens look like the protruding ribs of a dead cow in the desert . It's had two major repairs and is more sail tape than sail . It's comfy like a doona and still gets me going faster than I should . Apparently Australian stockists won't import a 9.4 , only on order . 6 to 9 months ,..........WTF !
Ive got a near new DoubleTone S type , ( thin luff pocket 3 cam ) , to replace it when it blows up , but I know I won't love it as much .
Thinking of selling it and paying the bul**** price of a new NP V8 and just waiting ???
The last time I seen a second hand NP V8 9.4 for sale was never , ever .

ps , anyone with a decent NP V8 9.4 for sale .....call me .



Seriously? What do you think team riders & guys that turn up with vans full of new kit go through each year., if you're lucky you get a little pre-release info but just order & wait. Just ask your shop when orders close by then just order & look forward to when new sail arrives.


Ditto, I've never bought a slalom sail from stock in a shop. I've always pre-ordered from promotional info and waited for delivery.

Mark _australia
WA, 21333 posts
14 May 2022 1:10PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
sheddweller said..

Mark _australia said..
^^^ I think you just upset a few people who make WS sails in Oz



who?


KA
Severne

Possibly numerous repairers who can make whole sails (Jesper?)

Pro sailors using aussie designed (and protos made here by hand) that have taken on the world.

Gestalt
QLD, 13393 posts
14 May 2022 3:58PM
Thumbs Up

^ ben severne made my son a 2.6m sail.... even signed it... made my son a severne fan for life..

kato
VIC, 3117 posts
14 May 2022 5:11PM
Thumbs Up

Interestingly Ben first started with Amac at KA . Great to see that both are still around and making sails

decrepit
WA, 11073 posts
14 May 2022 5:22PM
Thumbs Up

He was making sails here before he joined Amac,

Gestalt
QLD, 13393 posts
14 May 2022 7:26PM
Thumbs Up

yes and i think only 12 months in the bus

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
14 May 2022 8:59PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said..

sheddweller said..


Mark _australia said..
^^^ I think you just upset a few people who make WS sails in Oz




who?



KA
Severne

Possibly numerous repairers who can make whole sails (Jesper?)

Pro sailors using aussie designed (and protos made here by hand) that have taken on the world.


So KA and Severne sails are both custom sail makers and make their sails in Australia?

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
14 May 2022 9:08PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
mkseven said..

Imax1 said..




Seriously? What do you think team riders & guys that turn up with vans full of new kit go through each year., if you're lucky you get a little pre-release info but just order & wait. Just ask your shop when orders close by then just order & look forward to when new sail arrives.


Sure, but there was a time when your average weekend free rider could count on an Aussie retailer having stock of sails on the shelf.

cald
QLD, 114 posts
14 May 2022 9:13PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Orange Whip said..

mkseven said..


Imax1 said..





Seriously? What do you think team riders & guys that turn up with vans full of new kit go through each year., if you're lucky you get a little pre-release info but just order & wait. Just ask your shop when orders close by then just order & look forward to when new sail arrives.



Sure, but there was a time when your average weekend free rider could count on an Aussie retailer having stock of sails on the shelf.


There was a time you could walk into a new car dealer.... and they had cars too! Not around here at the moment!

ggf
WA, 207 posts
14 May 2022 7:14PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Orange Whip said..


Mark _australia said..



sheddweller said..




Mark _australia said..
^^^ I think you just upset a few people who make WS sails in Oz






who?





KA
Severne

Possibly numerous repairers who can make whole sails (Jesper?)

Pro sailors using aussie designed (and protos made here by hand) that have taken on the world.




So KA and Severne sails are both custom sail makers and make their sails in Australia?



Hmmm KA and Serverne maybe not currently making custom sails for the market in Australia ,but have developed sails for the market here in Aus for many decades .So the skills are definately here to produce and make sails .
One sailmaker here in Mandurah has produce some custom sails in recent times ,Avalon sails .
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Avalon-Sails-XTR-7-0?page=1

Orange Whip
QLD, 987 posts
14 May 2022 9:47PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
cald said..

Orange Whip said..


mkseven said..



Imax1 said..






Seriously? What do you think team riders & guys that turn up with vans full of new kit go through each year., if you're lucky you get a little pre-release info but just order & wait. Just ask your shop when orders close by then just order & look forward to when new sail arrives.




Sure, but there was a time when your average weekend free rider could count on an Aussie retailer having stock of sails on the shelf.



There was a time you could walk into a new car dealer.... and they had cars too! Not around here at the moment!


True **** hey, wasn't aware, I only buy old collector cars, the new ones are ****.



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Windsurfing General


"Current availability of new gear here in AUS" started by Orange Whip