read , heard and saw photos of the "original" Wayler where the "keel" was slung over the shoulder, etc
just recently in Canada saw an advert for a Wayler that barely resembled the "original"
seemed to have less liters and more planing oriented
can't ask on the lbwindsurf forum - they are still down :-(
I'm not sure how many models Wayler made. There was the original, the Ypsi
( a rather nice funboard) and probably 6-10 more at least. The one you are looking at could well be the Ypsi, which was (I think) 11' long and had stingers and a squashtail.
LBWS is a volunteer site and Rob works hard to keep it up - it should be back soon.
Isn't wayling illegal?.....Plus I think It would be rather hard to do on a windsurfer.
.....sorry been drinking after a big day on the water
this is what i call the "original"
this is the "other model"
and NO more windsurfing, drinking and then posting :-)
the first one is a windsurfer onedesign, the later model with a retractable centreboard, the original had a centre board you had to pull out and sling over your shoulder.
the second board is a wayler breeze, Ed Angulo design made of polyethelyne.
the windsurfer onedesign would be the better of the two, and is still produced today.
Can only vouch for the Ypsi model, which was a great board for fun, bit of speed and freestyle. Breeze: ???.
First one is nowhere a Ypsi, just a traditional 1D.
Watch out, the early Mylar one-design sails that old usually delaminate very quickly. This one seems to be an 1986 (AJ...).
thanks for the info.
i am well aware of the "crappy" older sails
currently use more modern sails on the older boards like BIC Dufour and Fanatic Ultra CAT
the MS-2 8-oh free-race sail with tight leech works well !!!
just was curious about these boards
especially the one still in the bag :-)
what would that be worth ??
ie brand new "old original Wayler" ??
No joke I found one of those originals in the mangroves yesterday on stradbroke.
It was plastic but had big damage to the bottom where the plastic had cracked off.
Centre board slot straight up and down but I didn't notice any holes for straps
Wouldn't touch a non-Ypsi with a barge pole - too much of a blind date.
The Windsurfer: only if sail was mint, even then it will die on you shortly, and $200 is a lot for a single board...
BTW, if you can fit a new sail on a nice 1985+ board with centerboard, then you can too on an old $50 1D Windsurfer board. The shape is 100% the same, so is the mast socket.
Only diff is the centerboard, which don't matter naught...
If that One Design was down here it would have gone within minutes at that price.
that was my point
it is all about supply and demand
there are races with these boards in different parts of the world
and original equipment is priceless !!! if NEW
Many longish boards from kerbsides have sailed and thrown away the next day.
Is probably the point that I floundered to make.
But now I hark back to Chris telling me that modern sails are a compromise on old longboards, and I refuse to fiddle with the original equipment, so am no doubt often missing some sublties.
"And why update the latest (C '84) Windsurfer dramatically? It would do little apart from making the existing boards uncompetitive."
Because the WOD seems to be the ultimate funboard, as well as a race craft.
I might have to make the next version, myself, sed little red hen..
"Joe, an unwrapped oldie is usually unsailed because it is amongst the 95 percent of inefficient"
Is it just me or I'm having problems parsing this statement.
To start with, I don't see how a board can be 95% inefficient - all boards have strengths and weaknesses, depending on criteria and wind.
I don't see how the old WOD format can be totally useless: in those days, millions learned on this equipment, I would say easily half of all sailors before 84 or 85 learned on or used one - that's when the sport was much bigger than now. Learning on those boards seldom failed, all serious learners ended up sailing after a few tries, simple as that.
I do not know many people who bought them and did not unwrap them, and few people then were disappointed with their initial purchases - they simply moved on to more modern, specific equipment over time.
Even today, the WOD format, either with old sails or newer ones, is a board that achieves a coverage from 5 knots to 25. Not excelling at any particular knottage, but great coverage if one wants to sail a lot and afford only one board.
"How many Windsurf Waylers are there ?"
Well, there is one racked at the local yacht club, never seen it sailed even once in 5 years.
This is my point, if it was a WOD it would be out every Sunday with the Tackers.
I had an original 380cm IMCO which looked like it was on the water only a couple of times with a miniature sail, the Olympic sail was unwrapped. After salvaging it's retracting fin, it gets an ignominius burial in the bush, not even rating a tip fee.
Ah, but the ballet of the WODs in the lightest of winds indicates that they worthy of some special attention. I envision a series of flexible body kits to convert them for different roles: Wide shark skin tail for earlir planing, wider midpoint for uncoordinated beginner lessons, concaves for flat water speed, vee for upwind railing, and most important of all, psychodelic skins to wow the women.
...retreats to finish off bottle of fine wine...
hey oldie, that mistral was never an Olympic board, but it was probably the most popular one-design anything ever built. biggest problem round here was they were twice the price of the locally made wally.
How many windsurf Waylers are ther ?
About the same amout as there are ford Holden's
As far as I know, this was the original Wayler. (pre footstraps)
Bought one brand new in 1982.
$900 from Trigger bros.
Came with a geeky 5.9 sail that had a slogan printed across it saying
"Happiness is a hand held sail" hmmmm.
The Breeze and YPSI came later, with footstraps.
They also had a cool looking (for its day) short board called a Wayler Fencer.
It seems that no matter how crumby a board was, people learned to overcome their shortcomings and sail them well. But maybe the IMCOs which they lusted after ahead of the Windsurfer were later models than my 1974 log.
Sails for 25 years were considered most efficient if they were attached to the centre of the mast ! The RAF was discovered by serendipity when sails got wrapped around the mast after a gybe! They were then called a wrong-un of something....
Nobody is experimenting with slotted sails.. we deserve to have the teabaggers boosting over us!
What about the French connection? Who knows about Sainval boards?
I can get one 3.6 x 65cm but it is a bit of a drive away. Ancient, doubtless
Can't believe it!!!
Been looking for a one design for a while now even had an advert for one here.
Get home today and someone dumped one on the vacant block across the road.
Board only but it's a start.