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Sailhack
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11 Feb 2007 6:33pm
I keep asking stupid questions and this one's no different. How do you, (besides wearing booties,) prevent from crunching your middle few toes on your back foot on the base of your footstraps when trying to get into the straps in choppy water? I always thought I reasonably co-ordinated, but for some reason miss the centre half the time when trying to thud my foot in, (keep it clean!)this could also be the prob?? I might be rushing, but If I take my time, I end up turning upwind and dumping into the water, when my foot goes straight in, it's the best feeling, powered up and planing in straps and harness.

BTW.....no sexual references about putting fur around it either, please....
shear tip
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11 Feb 2007 6:40pm
I just live with it. I'm always banging my toes on the straps. I tried looking down when I hit the straps, but I hate taking my eyes off the water - especially choppy water. For the back strap, I try to position my foot right next to the strap, so I can feel where it is, and then put my foot in. It helps, but it's not always perfect.
mineral1
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11 Feb 2007 4:56pm
Sailhack, from one who is suffering compound fracture big toe because I missed the back strap by just that little bit board stalled into chop at wrong moment and toe took full weight
Try the Guy Cribb web site and check out how he advises “getting into the straps,” possible the toe wiggle will work.
Make sure you have plenty of down wind, too allow time to get the foot in, it will come in time, so dont rush it
www.guycribb.com/page0076v01.htm

Worst thing was it was the foot that I hadn’t suffered any issues with getting into the rear strap, it was the other one

Anyway hope this helps.
Mineral
Paddy
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11 Feb 2007 7:41pm
Not the only one fractured my litlle toe at the start of the season jamming it on the back strap, keep doing it every few weeks , I guess Ill wait till the off season to let it heal fully
Sailhack
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11 Feb 2007 9:47pm
Sorry, I didn't realise that this is an epidemic, both my second & third toes on each foot are swollen at the moment, how could I pack up when I've been waiting weeks for a decent wind. Thankfully (???), work commitments will keep me off the water for a week to let the foot-fingers heal.

Maybe there should be a release-type footstrap (like skis or similar) or am I just getting old and soft? (rhetorical question, no replies needed, thanks.)
bubs
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11 Feb 2007 9:21pm
I usually get into my straps when i'm barely moving at all then its not very bumpy and i can look at my feet without stacking it. I'm usually hooked in within seconds and as soon as the boards pointing in the right direction i get into the straps. All hooked in and in the straps within 5 to 10 seconds.

I can get away with different things though (e.g: floating around whilst still being in the straps.) because i'm much lighter.

bubs
Sailhack
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11 Feb 2007 10:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by bubs

I usually get into my straps when i'm barely moving at all then its not very bumpy and i can look at my feet without stacking it.

I can get away with different things though (e.g: floating around whilst still being in the straps.) because i'm much lighter.

bubs



Yeah, thanks for reminding me bubs, I am a little on the weighty side, I've just moved my straps to the very back and even though it's a big board, there's no way I can get into the straps unless I'm either planing or very nearly. Next move is to a smaller board (smaller for me - 115-120lt), also to progress to high wind & small waves, but I don't think there are too many out there that stack alot of volume into the tail. The jp xcite that I'm on now is one of the few boards that carry plenty of volume in the back. I'll just have to work on technique, I think.
NotWal
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11 Feb 2007 10:32pm
Hmmm.... Steel toe booties?
Velcro instead of footstraps?
Twintip sailboards - you stick your feet in and don't move them for the entire session
ABS foot straps - they stay wide as anything til you need the grip. Then they clamp down.
Wire guided booties.
Prosthetic toes.
Pain habituation therapy.
Preemptive anesthetic or indeed have the nerves to your toes surgically severed.
Look clipless cycle bindings.

God there's obviously any number of solutions Sailhack. You're just not thinking outside the box.


Sailhack
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11 Feb 2007 11:46pm
Notwal, you've obviously put alot of thought into this, although I like the velcro idea.... preempted anaesthetic? (tried that one before), several beers then a sail, best session ever! most confident ever been on water....not advised though.
WINDY MILLER
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11 Feb 2007 9:53pm
do fractured toes ever heal ???????

had 2 for 5 months now and still giving me grief
decrepit
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12 Feb 2007 12:52am
Think I normally "feel" my way in rather than slamming.

But notwal's given me an idea,

A tactile track your big toe can follow, a gouge in the jump pad or something similar, it starts wide away from the strap and narrows up as it gets closer. Not sure how well it would work, but may be worth a try giving all the grief the problems causing.
hobie14t
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12 Feb 2007 2:28am
quote:
Next move is to a smaller board (smaller for me - 115-120lt), also to progress to high wind & small waves, but I don't think there are too many out there that stack alot of volume into the tail. The jp xcite that I'm on now is one of the few boards that carry plenty of volume in the back. I'll just have to work on technique, I think.


Hey Sailhack, Im around 120kgs and riding a Mistral Screamer 128ltr (2007) board and find it very floaty at the back. Even in non planning conditions I can still slog around on it. Totally recommend it if you want a fast but bouyant board.
grumplestiltskin
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12 Feb 2007 10:44am
I think busted toes are a perennial problem.

After busting my little toe at the beginning of the season, (its still sore now, so I'm probably constantly aggravating it), I found that if I tape two or three of them together it helps. Stops them getting split onto either side of the strap.
Only problem is that the tape only lasts for about half an hour before working its way off.
Works well when its on tho
Sailhack
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12 Feb 2007 12:53pm
quote:
Originally posted by hobie14t


Hey Sailhack, Im around 120kgs and riding a Mistral Screamer 128ltr (2007) board and find it very floaty at the back. Even in non planning conditions I can still slog around on it. Totally recommend it if you want a fast but bouyant board.



Thanks hobie14t, I have a mate that said I can borrow his mistral explosion 120lt for a couple of weeks, it might have a similar shape, but I'll definitely check out the screamer.
kodyn
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12 Feb 2007 12:40pm
busted me little toe yrs ago,,,,it still hurts like hell when i miss me strap but have learnt to just put up with it

Ive found the same thing when ive taped them together,,,grt until the tape comes off, which dosnt take long
hobie14t
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12 Feb 2007 5:18pm
quote:

Thanks hobie14t, I have a mate that said I can borrow his mistral explosion 120lt for a couple of weeks, it might have a similar shape, but I'll definitely check out the screamer.


I had an explosion 161ltr, great boards. Screamer is way faster thou.
shear tip
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12 Feb 2007 6:34pm
Re: Toe taping

I hurt my toe on Australia day (Kicked coffee table, d#$*head)

For the last couple of weekends I've been taping my toe with some brown meshy, gauzy tape. it comes on a white roll with a clear plastic cover. After 4 hrs windsurfing and sand, and even after a hot shower, I still have to cut it off. It's really sticky stuff.

I still feel like puking when I thump my toe on a footstrap though
mathew
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12 Feb 2007 7:28pm
I have the same problem on occasion, but it helps a lot when:
a) make the back straps a little looser
b) get into the back strap before the front strap.

hope this helps.
Sailhack
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13 Feb 2007 12:59am
quote:
Originally posted by mathew

I have the same problem on occasion, but it helps a lot when:
a) make the back straps a little looser
b) get into the back strap before the front strap.

hope this helps.



Mathew, thanks, I'll give the back-foot-first a go, straps already fairly loose. Might try the boots as well, toes still swollen.
Kremlin
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12 Feb 2007 11:22pm
Comrades
I was have same problem but then I taking Comrade Choppers advice and learning to 'toughing of the f@#k up'
Also I taking of advice from Comrade eyeamhardcore and trying of sailing with no straps... this is very difficult but I no hurting of the toes anymore
Zed
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13 Feb 2007 12:48am
Just an experience thing. With time you'll be able to put it in without looking. Maybe as the board starts getting onto the plane, de-power the sail slightly by sheeting out, that will slow the board down for a second or two and buy you a little time to put your foot in. You don't want to be trying to get your backfoot in when you are fully powered up, thats when you get catapulted.
Wineman
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13 Feb 2007 1:38pm


quote:
Originally posted by Zed

Just an experience thing. With time you'll be able to put it in without looking. Maybe as the board starts getting onto the plane, de-power the sail slightly by sheeting out, that will slow the board down for a second or two and buy you a little time to put your foot in. You don't want to be trying to get your backfoot in when you are fully powered up, thats when you get catapulted.



Good point Zed re de-power. been there, done that - ie powered catapault
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