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Did SailGP Australia crack the 50kts?

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Created by sailquik > 9 months ago, 7 May 2019
sailquik
VIC, 6074 posts
7 May 2019 7:53PM
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An interesting situation that sounds slightly familiar.

I think I would trust the survey grade GPS on the boat.



BTW, the San Francisco races where sensational! Well worth the effort to dredge around the internet to find the replays.
(Hint - if your IP address is in the USA, you can view then on Youtube. )

Carindale
QLD, 331 posts
7 May 2019 8:23PM
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The real question is: were they using an approved device?

JulienLe
402 posts
7 May 2019 6:39PM
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"VMAX says 39.46, 10s says 30.89, I'll just split the difference and call it a day. I was really feeling fast !" -- heard every time on every spot before consumer receivers included dynamic models.

sailquik
VIC, 6074 posts
7 May 2019 9:08PM
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Carindale said..
The real question is: were they using an approved device?




Yes..... and no. .

$50,000 Survey grade GPS V's $300 Velocitek

It was just a spike!

Te Hau
479 posts
7 May 2019 7:15PM
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Ha, heard that before, we know all about spikes.

JulienLe
402 posts
7 May 2019 7:41PM
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There was also the good old "display showed 34.56 but GPSAR says 32.99, I just feel like 34.56 is more accurate". Good times. Someone just sent me a log from an old device and it's plain insane what we put up with. You can see the receiver is completely lost, under water, and yet it mentions 8 satellites and an excellent HDOP as if things were fine.

boardsurfr
WA, 2211 posts
7 May 2019 8:02PM
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JulienLe said..
There was also the good old "display showed 34.56 but GPSAR says 32.99, I just feel like 34.56 is more accurate". Good times. Someone just sent me a log from an old device and it's plain insane what we put up with. You can see the receiver is completely lost, under water, and yet it mentions 8 satellites and an excellent HDOP as if things were fine.


I'd be careful about bashing the older hardware - the u-blox is better, but by no means perfect. With Locosys units, the SDoP values typically go way up for "swimming spikes". In contrast, the sAcc on the u-blox units seems to be filtered, and goes up much slower. I have seen Motion data where the unit keeps recording a constant speed with a reasonable sAcc (below 2) despite having 0 satellites. That's quite nonsensical.

JulienLe
402 posts
7 May 2019 8:04PM
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That's probably due to "Sailquik's filter" which throws away satellites under a certain quality.

When things are all-well, the receiver would include many satellites in the solution matrix. This would drain the receiver resources. So I remove the lowest quality signal satellites. Valid and okayish : 28, valid and of great quality : 20, used : 20.

And due to this, when all signals drop below this certain quality point, solution deliberately goes invalid. Valid and okayish : 8, valid and of great quality : 0, used : 0.

This is neat, it makes issues, falls, marginals clear as day.

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I'm not bashing old receivers but comparisons do raise some interesting stuff.

sailquik
VIC, 6074 posts
7 May 2019 10:42PM
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sailquik
VIC, 6074 posts
8 May 2019 10:56AM
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Full race replays now on Australian Facebook:

www.facebook.com/SailGP/videos/2351431431616105/

www.facebook.com/SailGP/videos/656525104797792/



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