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UFO and MXR fins

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Created by sboardcrazy 3 months ago, 3 Jul 2018
sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
3 Jul 2018 11:43AM
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How do they handle 6-10" chop ? Do they go upwind well and not spin out? Are they suited for intermediate riders and what's the smallest they make?
What has been your experience with them?

sailquik
VIC, 4086 posts
3 Jul 2018 11:59AM
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Yes
Yes.
Yes.
Whatever size you like.
Excellent.

This applies to their WEED fins as well.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
3 Jul 2018 12:29PM
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sailquik said..
Yes
Yes.
Yes.
Whatever size you like.
Excellent.

This applies to their WEED fins as well.


sailquik
VIC, 4086 posts
3 Jul 2018 12:40PM
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But these are qite a bit less expensive and at least as good:

www.tribalwindsurfing.com/us/tribal-superweed.html

For where there is a bit of floating weed, but not weed burgs. 45 Deg. Smallest standard depth 19cm


For Lake George weed and all other 'somewhat' weedy places - even better:

Mant PB's done at LG this last season in this fin by various people.

Standard shortest depth 21cm

www.tribalwindsurfing.com/us/tribal-weed.html




And for the extreme weed of Budgie, which is pretty much unique in Australia:

The new Tribal Delta Weed come in two variations: Slalom and Speed. Thay are just going into production.The Speed should also be available in assymetrcal versions.









Jetlag
NSW, 73 posts
3 Jul 2018 1:38PM
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Hi Sue,
I've been using the UFO 50 degree weed fins almost exclusively since February. I've got the 20cm for use on the W49 Speed Board and the 26 for use on the Naish SP95 (59cm wide). I can't comment on the Tribals as I haven't used them.

I've found these two fins a real breakthrough for my sailing confidence. I don't believe they point as well as some of my other fins, however, they exude confidence in the chop. I've been comfortably using the 20cm with a 7m sail on the speed board. It lets me get into the shallows at Primbee but still handles the deeper water chop, even when overpowered. On a bearaway, I've only had a few "moments" where the fin has lost grip but then re-gripped very quickly. Didn't even have time to ease the power. This was using a 5.8 in 30+kts and 30cm chop, speeds above 38kts.

Across the wind I can really crank on the fin with confidence. I've had a few 30kt+ nauti's on what have been beam reaching conditions and significant chop (ie. getting full air whilst well overpowered and still landing powered up with grip). On bearaways, I think I've gained nearly 2kts in speed due to the combination of smaller size and confidence compared to my previous Unifiber Weed, BP Weed Speed (40 and 50) and BP Kestral fins. I have an 18cm on order, based on how I've been able to use a 7m with the 20cm.

The 26cm is similarly my "go to" fin for the slalom at Primbee. I've now got a 24cm on order for the same reason as above.

I used both of these fins at LG this year with zero weed issues. The benefits of the 50 degree at Primbee is that you can scrape the bottom either when beach starting or at speed without much issue.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
4 Jul 2018 12:22PM
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Hi Sue,
I've been using the UFO 50 degree weed fins almost exclusively since February. I've got the 20cm for use on the W49 Speed Board and the 26 for use on the Naish SP95 (59cm wide). I can't comment on the Tribals as I haven't used them.

I've found these two fins a real breakthrough for my sailing confidence. I don't believe they point as well as some of my other fins, however, they exude confidence in the chop. I've been comfortably using the 20cm with a 7m sail on the speed board. It lets me get into the shallows at Primbee but still handles the deeper water chop, even when overpowered. On a bearaway, I've only had a few "moments" where the fin has lost grip but then re-gripped very quickly. Didn't even have time to ease the power. This was using a 5.8 in 30+kts and 30cm chop, speeds above 38kts.

Across the wind I can really crank on the fin with confidence. I've had a few 30kt+ nauti's on what have been beam reaching conditions and significant chop (ie. getting full air whilst well overpowered and still landing powered up with grip). On bearaways, I think I've gained nearly 2kts in speed due to the combination of smaller size and confidence compared to my previous Unifiber Weed, BP Weed Speed (40 and 50) and BP Kestral fins. I have an 18cm on order, based on how I've been able to use a 7m with the 20cm.

The 26cm is similarly my "go to" fin for the slalom at Primbee. I've now got a 24cm on order for the same reason as above.

I used both of these fins at LG this year with zero weed issues. The benefits of the 50 degree at Primbee is that you can scrape the bottom either when beach starting or at speed without much issue.

Thanks Jetlag. Good description .
You say the upwind isn't as good .. Compared to which other brands?
I love my FF but I'm looking for other maybe faster options for those epic days ( although I've found the Fangys pretty darn fast for me.. ).
Upwind and grip/ confidence inspiring in the chop are my main priorities..If I can't get to the top of the run or I'm not game to go for it I won't get decent speeds..

Jetlag
NSW, 73 posts
4 Jul 2018 3:28PM
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Jetlag said..
Hi Sue,
I've been using the UFO 50 degree weed fins almost exclusively since February. I've got the 20cm for use on the W49 Speed Board and the 26 for use on the Naish SP95 (59cm wide). I can't comment on the Tribals as I haven't used them.

I've found these two fins a real breakthrough for my sailing confidence. I don't believe they point as well as some of my other fins, however, they exude confidence in the chop. I've been comfortably using the 20cm with a 7m sail on the speed board. It lets me get into the shallows at Primbee but still handles the deeper water chop, even when overpowered. On a bearaway, I've only had a few "moments" where the fin has lost grip but then re-gripped very quickly. Didn't even have time to ease the power. This was using a 5.8 in 30+kts and 30cm chop, speeds above 38kts.

Across the wind I can really crank on the fin with confidence. I've had a few 30kt+ nauti's on what have been beam reaching conditions and significant chop (ie. getting full air whilst well overpowered and still landing powered up with grip). On bearaways, I think I've gained nearly 2kts in speed due to the combination of smaller size and confidence compared to my previous Unifiber Weed, BP Weed Speed (40 and 50) and BP Kestral fins. I have an 18cm on order, based on how I've been able to use a 7m with the 20cm.

The 26cm is similarly my "go to" fin for the slalom at Primbee. I've now got a 24cm on order for the same reason as above.

I used both of these fins at LG this year with zero weed issues. The benefits of the 50 degree at Primbee is that you can scrape the bottom either when beach starting or at speed without much issue.


Thanks Jetlag. Good description .
You say the upwind isn't as good .. Compared to which other brands?
I love my FF but I'm looking for other maybe faster options for those epic days ( although I've found the Fangys pretty darn fast for me.. ).
Upwind and grip/ confidence inspiring in the chop are my main priorities..If I can't get to the top of the run or I'm not game to go for it I won't get decent speeds..


Pointing wise, the 26cm is probably slightly worse than the Unifiber FWD 25cm and BP40 25cm but better than BP50 25cm, what I gain most is in spin-out resistance above 35kts.
The 20cm points better than 17cm Kestral or MUF Delta 18cm on the speed board and has way more composure in chop and at high speed. Feels less draggy than those two as well.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
4 Jul 2018 3:38PM
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Jetlag said..

sboardcrazy said..


Jetlag said..
Hi Sue,
I've been using the UFO 50 degree weed fins almost exclusively since February. I've got the 20cm for use on the W49 Speed Board and the 26 for use on the Naish SP95 (59cm wide). I can't comment on the Tribals as I haven't used them.

I've found these two fins a real breakthrough for my sailing confidence. I don't believe they point as well as some of my other fins, however, they exude confidence in the chop. I've been comfortably using the 20cm with a 7m sail on the speed board. It lets me get into the shallows at Primbee but still handles the deeper water chop, even when overpowered. On a bearaway, I've only had a few "moments" where the fin has lost grip but then re-gripped very quickly. Didn't even have time to ease the power. This was using a 5.8 in 30+kts and 30cm chop, speeds above 38kts.

Across the wind I can really crank on the fin with confidence. I've had a few 30kt+ nauti's on what have been beam reaching conditions and significant chop (ie. getting full air whilst well overpowered and still landing powered up with grip). On bearaways, I think I've gained nearly 2kts in speed due to the combination of smaller size and confidence compared to my previous Unifiber Weed, BP Weed Speed (40 and 50) and BP Kestral fins. I have an 18cm on order, based on how I've been able to use a 7m with the 20cm.

The 26cm is similarly my "go to" fin for the slalom at Primbee. I've now got a 24cm on order for the same reason as above.

I used both of these fins at LG this year with zero weed issues. The benefits of the 50 degree at Primbee is that you can scrape the bottom either when beach starting or at speed without much issue.



Thanks Jetlag. Good description .
You say the upwind isn't as good .. Compared to which other brands?
I love my FF but I'm looking for other maybe faster options for those epic days ( although I've found the Fangys pretty darn fast for me.. ).
Upwind and grip/ confidence inspiring in the chop are my main priorities..If I can't get to the top of the run or I'm not game to go for it I won't get decent speeds..



Pointing wise, the 26cm is probably slightly worse than the Unifiber FWD 25cm and BP40 25cm but better than BP50 25cm, what I gain most is in spin-out resistance above 35kts.
The 20cm points better than 17cm Kestral or MUF Delta 18cm on the speed board and has way more composure in chop and at high speed. Feels less draggy than those two as well.


Thanks. I have a BP 50 25cm so that gives me something to compare against.

Dezza
NSW, 564 posts
4 Jul 2018 3:39PM
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My small ufo's (18 & 20 nudies) are great at getting upwind in overpowered and bumpy conditions, plenty of grip when getting hammered, and feel secure in speed runs, I hope to use them more this next year but also still really like the other small weed fins in my fin bag, everyone's got their favourites. I found the bigger ufo sizes very comfortable to ride for long distances in weedy water like at LG this year.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
4 Jul 2018 3:58PM
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Dezza said..
My small ufo's (18 & 20 nudies) are great at getting upwind in overpowered and bumpy conditions, plenty of grip when getting hammered, and feel secure in speed runs, I hope to use them more this next year but also still really like the other small weed fins in my fin bag, everyone's got their favourites. I found the bigger ufo sizes very comfortable to ride for long distances in weedy water like at LG this year.


Thanks. I think you were using the 20 with a 7m at times at LG..? How did it handle the large sail?

sailquik
VIC, 4086 posts
4 Jul 2018 6:00PM
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Thanks. I think you were using the 20 with a 7m at times at LG..? How did it handle the large sail?






Are you kidding? Don't even think about it. That is just not an appropriate combination for LG for you where depth is just not an issue.

In any case, if you are using a 7m sail at LG, you may as well be using any old boat anchor, as it is not a performance combination there for you anyhow, it's just a fun cruise.

It's like the old saying. You can have efficiency/speed, or you can have easy/safe. Take your pick. If you cant get upwind, you need efficiency, and if that does not work with an appropriate fin, don't blame your gear, work on your skills.

I think you are on a quest to find a Unicorn.

Dezza
NSW, 564 posts
4 Jul 2018 8:08PM
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Sue I used my 24/50 ufo with a 7m at LG for the distance sailing, its quite a big fin in feel compared to the 20. Not sure if your initial questions in this thread were related to fins for super shallow weedy water like at budgie and primbee or the deeper weedy water at LG, but overall Ive had similar experiences to what Jetlag has described on the ufo's.

Now the 7m with a small weed fin question, thats a red herring chasing a unicorn, and there is a fin for the job handcrafted in Nowra, but you have to find the right rainbow.

keef
NSW, 1992 posts
4 Jul 2018 9:32PM
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Yep definitely red herrings Dezza

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6284 posts
5 Jul 2018 11:23AM
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I was hoping for a performance fin that could do the lot but I suppose that is expecting a bit much..
I was hoping I could use it at Budgy , LG / Primbee but 20cm is getting a bit deep for Budgy.
Ideally an 18cm that could hold the 80ltre with a 5.7m or smaller setups..
Sounds like if I get one it will be a splurge for the rare occasions I sail powered up in deeper water - LG - Primbee..



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