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Are wave mast ok for slalom ?

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Created by Tardy Two weeks ago, 27 Nov 2018
Tardy
2625 posts
27 Nov 2018 6:23PM
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Just looking for info on difference if Any ...

i just brought a neilpryde 100% RDM combat mast for a spare ...I presume the combat was a wave version
of the x6 or x9 ..
will I notice any difference or do they just have a thicker wall for strength ?

Manawa
28 posts
27 Nov 2018 6:36PM
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I've had for wave riding X9, X6 and Combat mast rdm, the legendary Combat Mast is an old NP, made in Italy (at the time). Np combat mast is good for Np sails but in my opinion is different from X9- X6.

LeeD
316 posts
28 Nov 2018 1:36AM
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Ok, yes. Ideal, depends which slalom sail and how critical u are.

Tardy
2625 posts
28 Nov 2018 4:14AM
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I thought I'd google it ...came up with this ...a hoop prepreg thickness spirally wound ,who would of thought .

should be perfect for a bit of free riding .bump and jump .

i really like the pryde mast ,good quality .
i borrowed one last year on my cheetahs ,worked really well
with a nice whippy feel

Bertie
WA, 1287 posts
28 Nov 2018 9:26AM
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The 2006 X-combat RDM are probably the best ever mast by NP (orange and white graphic). the 2007 was gold and white graphic are right behind as 2nd best. I've still got s couple of the 2006. It took me 10 years of use the break my first one but nothing would have survived the wave that got me.

If the mast fits the cams for slalom sail then it should be fine. Bend curve might vary slightly from the x9 mast but depends on the year sail and how you want to tune it.

Tardy
2625 posts
28 Nov 2018 12:22PM
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Thanks Bertie .scored one you described 2007 for $300 .only use no-cam most of the time .and the cheetahs are not fussy on what mast you use .

must of been one hell of a wave to break it ..no doubt your sail was cactus too.

hell of a feeling seeing a wave take your gear and destroy it hey .

I'm a boom buster ..

firiebob
WA, 2817 posts
28 Nov 2018 8:30PM
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Tardy I have no idea with the Pryde but, for years I used a 460 90% Ezzy wave RDM with Loft 5.9 no cam, 5.8 Switchblade, 6.8 Switchblade and 6.8 Blade which is a race sail. Got to love adjustable heads. I contacted Loft and they said not ideal but ok, I got a 36 out of the no cam and just under 40 with the 5.8. Makes me wonder how the ideal mast would go, as said no idea the Pryde but I'd guess it'll be fine, try it. That Ezzy went for years, I have only recently donated it, it still lives

Swindy
WA, 225 posts
28 Nov 2018 9:23PM
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Yep. Donated to me and it rigs my simmer 2xc perfectly.

LeeD
316 posts
29 Nov 2018 12:57AM
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Loft has changed their "ideal" mast requirements to include RDM for smaller sized cam sails for rider' who want a more reactive feel. Not all rider's want the same thing.

Tardy
2625 posts
29 Nov 2018 6:26AM
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firiebob said..
Tardy I have no idea with the Pryde but, for years I used a 460 90% Ezzy wave RDM with Loft 5.9 no cam, 5.8 Switchblade, 6.8 Switchblade and 6.8 Blade which is a race sail. Got to love adjustable heads. I contacted Loft and they said not ideal but ok, I got a 36 out of the no cam and just under 40 with the 5.8. Makes me wonder how the ideal mast would go, as said no idea the Pryde but I'd guess it'll be fine, try it. That Ezzy went for years, I have only recently donated it, it still lives


Thank s Bob.
Great speeds on a foreign mast ...yeah the Ezzy's are great mast ...got 2 myself ..you don't see many secound hand for sale .

building up my quiver in WA . Heading north again early next year ..you need a extra mast ,as its a long drive back if ya break one .which I have done ,and had to borrow a mates tree trunk ...had to back the battens off so the cams could rotate .lol.

yes I 'm confident I have brought a good mast now ...it is progressive curve ,which I think will work pretty good .
i did borrow a neilpryde a year back and it rigged the cheetah pretty good .It seemed to bellied it up a bit more than my ezzy mast ,which I don't have over there and exhausted really easy ,yeah seemed softer ,but didn't kill it .
It actually felt nicer to use than my ezzy mast ..being slightly softer.

might be down your way in January bob. I'll come sail with the fast lads ....

lets hope swindy doesn't kill your mast ,you might need it back one day.

Tardy
2625 posts
29 Nov 2018 6:38AM
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here's a couple of photos of last year ...this was on a tushingham flex top ,which totally delaminated ,heap of sheet ..,so having to replace it ,
north WA.Had some good runs at little lagoon .






Bertie
WA, 1287 posts
29 Nov 2018 10:14AM
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Tushingham and Pryde masts have the same bend curves more or less. So does hot sails maui.

sailquik
VIC, 4173 posts
6 Dec 2018 4:46PM
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Bertie said..
Tushingham and Pryde masts have the same bend curves more or less. So does hot sails maui.


"More or less"

sailquik
VIC, 4173 posts
6 Dec 2018 5:02PM
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The things about wave masts and RDM masts:

-If they have the correct bend curve
-If the sail is a cammed sail, and RDM cams are available for it.

They will work fine.

The differences are:

- They may be slightly heavier than the same C% in a SDM
- They usually have a sightly 'softer' more 'flexy' feel in the same sail than an SDM, even though they test to the same IMCS # - Something I like as a lightweight.
- They are really hard to break compared with SDM's - especially in normal slalom type sailing. For anyone speed sailing, or sailing in offshore winds or open ocean, this is a huge safety factor.

Generally, in slalom sails from 7m and larger, I prefer the way SDM's work and set the sails I use.

Swindy
WA, 225 posts
Thursday , 6 Dec 2018 3:51PM
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Tardy said..

firiebob said..
Tardy I have no idea with the Pryde but, for years I used a 460 90% Ezzy wave RDM with Loft 5.9 no cam, 5.8 Switchblade, 6.8 Switchblade and 6.8 Blade which is a race sail. Got to love adjustable heads. I contacted Loft and they said not ideal but ok, I got a 36 out of the no cam and just under 40 with the 5.8. Makes me wonder how the ideal mast would go, as said no idea the Pryde but I'd guess it'll be fine, try it. That Ezzy went for years, I have only recently donated it, it still lives



Thank s Bob.
Great speeds on a foreign mast ...yeah the Ezzy's are great mast ...got 2 myself ..you don't see many secound hand for sale .

building up my quiver in WA . Heading north again early next year ..you need a extra mast ,as its a long drive back if ya break one .which I have done ,and had to borrow a mates tree trunk ...had to back the battens off so the cams could rotate .lol.

yes I 'm confident I have brought a good mast now ...it is progressive curve ,which I think will work pretty good .
i did borrow a neilpryde a year back and it rigged the cheetah pretty good .It seemed to bellied it up a bit more than my ezzy mast ,which I don't have over there and exhausted really easy ,yeah seemed softer ,but didn't kill it .
It actually felt nicer to use than my ezzy mast ..being slightly softer.

might be down your way in January bob. I'll come sail with the fast lads ....

lets hope swindy doesn't kill your mast ,you might need it back one day.


Im the sane one in the Mandurah mob, even though i see a neurologist regularly. The mast is in safer hands than with many on the team (including Kamikaze Bob)
See you in WA soon.

Jonski
WA, 47 posts
Thursday , 6 Dec 2018 8:22PM
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Swindy said..


Tardy said..



firiebob said..
Tardy I have no idea with the Pryde but, for years I used a 460 90% Ezzy wave RDM with Loft 5.9 no cam, 5.8 Switchblade, 6.8 Switchblade and 6.8 Blade which is a race sail. Got to love adjustable heads. I contacted Loft and they said not ideal but ok, I got a 36 out of the no cam and just under 40 with the 5.8. Makes me wonder how the ideal mast would go, as said no idea the Pryde but I'd guess it'll be fine, try it. That Ezzy went for years, I have only recently donated it, it still lives





Thank s Bob.
Great speeds on a foreign mast ...yeah the Ezzy's are great mast ...got 2 myself ..you don't see many secound hand for sale .

building up my quiver in WA . Heading north again early next year ..you need a extra mast ,as its a long drive back if ya break one .which I have done ,and had to borrow a mates tree trunk ...had to back the battens off so the cams could rotate .lol.

yes I 'm confident I have brought a good mast now ...it is progressive curve ,which I think will work pretty good .
i did borrow a neilpryde a year back and it rigged the cheetah pretty good .It seemed to bellied it up a bit more than my ezzy mast ,which I don't have over there and exhausted really easy ,yeah seemed softer ,but didn't kill it .
It actually felt nicer to use than my ezzy mast ..being slightly softer.

might be down your way in January bob. I'll come sail with the fast lads ....

lets hope swindy doesn't kill your mast ,you might need it back one day.




Im the sane one in the Mandurah mob, even though i see a neurologist regularly. The mast is in safer hands than with many on the team (including Kamikaze Bob)
See you in WA soon.





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