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KA Race vs S2 Maui Venom

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Created by olskool A week ago, 10 Mar 2019
olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
10 Mar 2019 7:21AM
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Hey Crew, im looking to step up to race style sails. Im 100kg. Sail flatwater. Not really keen to go Severne. KA Race n S2 Maui Venom have caught my eye. Anyone got any advice or comparisons.? Ive got No Limits Rdm Masts 460 n 430.

BSN101
WA, 1520 posts
10 Mar 2019 8:05AM
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I hope to be testing out a Sail Loft Ultimate rig this winter. 6.3 might fit the bill.
NB not Loftsail!!!

Tardy
2831 posts
11 Mar 2019 1:04PM
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Severne s are good sail s ...you just might need a Sdm mast for the race sails in most brands ,

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
11 Mar 2019 4:00PM
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Tardy, S2 Venom 8.4 n 7.7 rigs on 460 rdm CC. My No Limits rdm should be sweet..

westhammer
WA, 482 posts
11 Mar 2019 4:46PM
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Hi olskool, i also use the Nolimitz RDM masts and like you am about to go full race sails.Check this 6.2 NX Sailworks, it has 4 cams and rigs on the Nolimitz 430 RDM. I will give a full review later.




















John340
QLD, 1903 posts
11 Mar 2019 8:59PM
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KARace sails can come with RDM CAMs and rig on RDM constant curve masts.

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
11 Mar 2019 9:56PM
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Westhammer the Sailworks look pretty sweet. Lots of xply strength.
But ive Just dropped the $$$ on the S2MAUI VENOM. Love the 2018 colour n reviews read up pretty awesome.
Keen to read your Sailworks review though.

515
105 posts
12 Mar 2019 6:48AM
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There are a lot of good sails on the market and with the design talent behind the S2 MAUI VENOM you have brought an awesome sail, enjoy

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1815 posts
12 Mar 2019 7:33PM
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olskool said..
Tardy, S2 Venom 8.4 n 7.7 rigs on 460 rdm CC. My No Limits rdm should be sweet..


Their website didn't mention the sail being compatible with RDM, where did you get the info?

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
12 Mar 2019 7:05PM
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From previous owner & some northern hemisphere crew who use S2maui.

Tardy
2831 posts
12 Mar 2019 7:03PM
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hey old skool .is this the model .your getting ,looks good .i wouldn't mind one myself


amazes me even with pro rider ,they all rig different .eg .one likes long lines, the other no so .i sail more like the dude on the right
its old school .i know .

westhammer .that sail works rigs sweet .

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
13 Mar 2019 1:15AM
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Tardy, think your pic is 2019 model
2018 what im getting. Check that wing profile dude. Oh and that mad lime green.
Top Fuel motor for a Backstreet racer. Ohhhh YEAH!!!
See how i go....

choco
SA, 3402 posts
13 Mar 2019 5:26AM
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2019 7 batten

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
13 Mar 2019 5:53AM
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^^ Apparently even lighter n better range than 2018.
Waitingforwind. Reading their website no mention of sdm or rdm for Venom. Their wave mast table says rdm. S2Maui masts are only rdm from what i can gather. I found out by careful reading of SB posts by people who actually use these sails. I contacted them n spoke about these sails. Only ever got rave reviews. Common theme was they are head n shoulders above any other top ranked sails theyve used. Lightness locked in shape, power n ease to gybe.

Kwibai
33 posts
14 Mar 2019 4:59PM
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The 2018 works well with RDM. The 2019 is superb with RDM. Biggest differences between 2018 and 2019 are the deeper draft down low, added sidebend and improved leech tension. Both the 2018 and 2019 are insanely quick and very well suited for open water speedruns. The 2018 is best with huge downhaul tension and negative outhaul. 2019 same downhaul and slightly positive outhaul. 2018 and 2019 are equally fast low and mid wind range. 2019 is quicker in the high wind range for the sail. 2019 is more powerful for the size. So endspeed per size is similar in lower and midrange but average speed improved dramatically. In overpowered situations there is no comparison. Cam rotation on bigger sizes impoved a lot.

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
15 Mar 2019 1:16AM
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^^ Thanks for thevreview n perspective of performance Kwibai. Its hard to find info on these sails.

olskool
QLD, 1115 posts
Thursday , 21 Mar 2019 2:22PM
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A bit more info. S2 Maui Venoms are designed to use SDM 100%C However Kwibai has suggested using RDM on sails smaller than 7.0m. You must however change cams to RDM to do so.

TerryA
WA, 69 posts
Friday , 22 Mar 2019 6:33PM
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I have a 19 7.7 and 5.7 the 5.7 did not rotate on the MS mast while it did on the previous years. Did not try the 7.7 on the old MS mast as I did not have one. I have not heard of anyone using RDM masts on the Venoms

TheTank
84 posts
Yesterday , 23 Mar 2019 5:59AM
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TerryA said..
I have a 19 7.7 and 5.7 the 5.7 did not rotate on the MS mast while it did on the previous years. Did not try the 7.7 on the old MS mast as I did not have one. I have not heard of anyone using RDM masts on the Venoms


Martin van Meurs is testing how to tune the smaler sizes for speed. They've got a small crew on that and are getting good results with RDM's in the 5.7.

They are testing back to back with 2018 and 2019 sails and masts. 2018 sails do work with RDM. Gives a neutral feel but the sail lacks a bit top end power on downwind courses. It was easy to oversheet. From what I heared the 2019 sails are spot on with RDM. Still the same neutral feel but with enough power and forward pull.

I must say I'm impressed with the 2019 Venom's. Haven't sailed one yet but they sure look and feel the part. What amazed me most was the weight of a rigged 7.0, or should I say the lack of it. It felt way lighter than my own 6.4 Evo 9.
Also on the quality department S2 hasn't skipped it's part. The materials look and feel good. A true high end minimalistic racing machine!

Haven't seen much of the 2019 KA Race. But I've seen the 2018 a bit more. They guys sailing it are getting good speeds and love the sail. But somehow it just doesn't tick the right boxes for me.

I would go for the 2019 Venom's. From what I've heared they are quite a step up from the 2018's. Plus the guys are raving about Barry and Art's tips and tricks on how to tune the sail.



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