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Power wave sail question - Volt vs Force 5

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Created by dhat > 9 months ago, 24 Jul 2017
dhat
17 posts
24 Jul 2017 4:17PM
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Hello everyone,

I'm looking to get new sails but I'm inexperienced as far as power wave sails go. I've narrowed my search to two brands/models which are Naish Force 5 5.7 and North sails Volt 5.9. I mainly want something which is an allround sail, used for both flatwater and going in the surf a bit - happy to take the compromise that inevitably comes from non-specialist gear. After only going on flat water I'm going to start entering the waves.

Has any of you used both or any of these type of sails and how would you rate it? The Volt is described as being more backhanded, and the Force 5 has a more forward pull. Volt is described as being more of a freeride/freestyle and force 5 more of a wave sail. For what I want to do how would you rate these two sails?

Thanks for any advice!

Vital statistics: 90kg, 1.93m, Tabou rocket 125l, Naish starship 100l, Windsup Fanatic Allwave

Faff
VIC, 647 posts
24 Jul 2017 8:49PM
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Severne Blade!

Von
SA, 91 posts
24 Jul 2017 8:25PM
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MrCranky said..
Severne Blade!


Ezzy elite!!

jn1
SA, 1729 posts
24 Jul 2017 8:44PM
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My 2015 5.3 Naish Force 5 is a great sail. They say they are slightly back handed, but I find them very neutral and light. Not sure what the current model is like. The only thing I don't like about them (this is being picky), is the sleeve stitching at the top of the sail. The stitching joins two pieces of cloth on the sleeve (looks like a "^"). The mistake I did with my 5.3 Naish was to jam the mast down it (like I do did with my Severne's.. well, that's what you do with Severnes. They have an over engineered sleeve) and the mast tip would catch on it and cause the stitching to come undone (cosmetic). It only took one insertion to do it. So, when you rig them, you have to go up to the top of the sail and ease on the mast. A bit of stuffing around when you are in a hurry to rig or change. No experience with the Volt. Good luck

sprocket
NSW, 14 posts
24 Jul 2017 10:14PM
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+1 Blade!

dhat
17 posts
24 Jul 2017 8:57PM
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I'm open to other brands - I'm starting from a clean slate! However budget is not unlimited :(

windsurftom
NSW, 245 posts
25 Jul 2017 9:54AM
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My force 5.7 is a perfect light blasting sail. Better than my old mans blades any day

Tardy
2887 posts
25 Jul 2017 9:00AM
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I would go with what best suits your current mast .

unless you are starting from scratch.

Stuthepirate
SA, 3437 posts
25 Jul 2017 11:00AM
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dhat said..
Hello everyone,

Vital statistics: 90kg, 1.93m, Tabou rocket 125l, Naish starship 100l, Windsup Fanatic Allwave


Another brand/design worth considering is the KA Kults.
Heaps of grunt.
Well made.
Great wind range.
Especially for those Freeride boards you have
I used a 5.8 from 18-25 on a 110L for years as my go to sail.
Rate them highly.

Roy
VIC, 88 posts
25 Jul 2017 4:48PM
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I have a 2017 North Volt 5.9m and I am very happy with the sail. Heres are review in Windsurf mag:
www.windsurf.co.uk/test/north-sails-volt-5-9m-2017-test-review/

I would agree with this review, the Volt has a slight bias to bottom end which suits me as this is my largest sail. If you mainly want the sail for top end control, it might be better to consider other options.

Also its worth noting that the Volt will be discontinued in 2018 in the North range and replaced with North Super Hero (now in 5 batten in the larger sizes such as 5.9) or the Super Session Freewave sail (details not yet available) www.north-windsurf.com

jn1
SA, 1729 posts
25 Jul 2017 7:52PM
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Tardy said..
I would go with what best suits your current mast .

unless you are starting from scratch.

Excellent advice.

dhat: For brand new Severne gear, you need a thick wallet. Although the the 2nd hand market is flooded with Severne gear at the moment, and you will find some bargains in the buy/sell section.

philn
224 posts
25 Jul 2017 8:02PM
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I have a Volt 6.9 for my Tabou 3s 116 L and I'm very impressed with the sail. Well made, attention to detail obvious. Feels light in the hands despite being such a big sail. Very easy to pump onto a plane. Well mannered in all points of flat water sailing. Haven't tried it in waves.

dhat
17 posts
25 Jul 2017 8:03PM
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The good part is I own no gear except boards and a harness. So I am free to build up from scratch.

Locally (live in Europe now) I can get some really good deals on Force 5s from 2015 and 2016 - Naish masts are hard to come by though. Also plenty of Volts from a year or two ago. Severne sails are a bit pricier, and also tend to have less older stock.

Regarding Volts, I've never really liked sails which have trouble in high wind, and this seems to be what the reviews indicate. I will get a larger etype for lower wind days, so not really concerned about low end range so much.

Unfortunately it will be difficult to avoid a 430 mast - I need something in the 5.7 to 6.0 range - it is likely to be the most used sail, but for my small sail(s) I will need to go for a 400 mast. I can use a 400 with a longer extension for the larger sails I suppose but it is getting it backwards - having the compromise on the most used combination. Maybe a unifibre mast for the less likely to be used sail sizes will do.

How do unifibre CC masts perform on Force 5s?

jn1
SA, 1729 posts
25 Jul 2017 9:58PM
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dhat said..
How do unifibre CC masts perform on Force 5s?


Dunno. I use CAAS Powerwave 100C masts. I'm very happy with them. Nb/ CAAS will make a mask to a sail spec. Either give them the three point displacement measurements or tell them the sail you will be using.

TheTank
84 posts
27 Jul 2017 9:34PM
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Get a Gun Select RDM ;)

Price/ quality is very good. And they match the Naish sails pretty good. I've used the Gun Select masts in the past with Naish Boxer, Session and Stealth sails. At the time Naish was more towards hardtop and Gun had CC masts so it wasn't a perfect match. But I found out that the low-end was only slightly less compared with the Naish Firesticks RDM but the high-end gave the sails a softer but slightly gruntier feel.

Since I last sailed the Naish/Gun combo Naish moved towards CC masts so both the older and newer Gun RDM masts are a close to perfect match to 2012 model Naishes and up.

Compared to Unifiber the Gun 100% Select RDM is about ? 80,- cheaper depending where you live in Europe (shipping rates). Plus the mast is delivered to your doorstep.

dhat
17 posts
14 Aug 2017 9:13PM
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I ended up with these nice looking sails and CAAS masts.

Here are a few pictures of the Naish sails 5.7 and 5.0 with CAAS masts 100C. Is this how these sails ought to be? I'm not used to rigging modern sails. Because I do not have Naish masts I'm not sure whether I am seeing good things or not.

A few comments. The 5.7 needs about 5 to 10cm more downhaul than indicated by the manuf. Could be due to the vario top which is difficult to get to the minimum setting. Once the downhaul is cranked down more, the leech gets looser and the battens near the boom are touching the mast. When I press on the belly of the sail, it stretches out and the shape looks good. Without any pressure the mast sleeve bulges a bit to the front. I assume this is how things are meant to be.

The 5.0 looks slightly better to me - the extension is exactly as per manuf, but I find that I need a slightly longer boom than indicated. The more I crank down on the downhaul, the longer the boom seems to want to be.

Thanks!









dhat
17 posts
15 Aug 2017 5:42AM
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TheTank said..
Get a Gun Select RDM ;)

Price/ quality is very good. And they match the Naish sails pretty good.


Thanks TheTank. I got your message too late - but good to know about a good cheaper mast brand that works well.

The CAAS masts are priced about the same. From what I can tell they work quite well on Naish as well. Please let me know if you can see any problem with my setup. Initially I did not have the downhaul cranked down enough - the battens stuck out in front of the mast with a firm leech - just looked horrible. After a youtube video or two I managed to get the sail looking decent - at least as decent than anything I have hired. The battens now just touch the mast on its side, and the leech is loosening up a bit - I believe this is how it should be. I just don't know if the mast sleeve should be as loose around the boom attachment point at the front of the mast. With wind filling the sail, it pushes out creating a nice shape around the boom - the slack in the mast sleeve then disappears.

I still have to sail these rigs so cannot really tell how they perform on the water (yet).

Stuthepirate
SA, 3437 posts
15 Aug 2017 10:23AM
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You may have to play around with the Downhaul/outhaul settings to get the desired result.
Usually if you can push the sail down with medium effort and touch the boom with the window, it's about right.
Downhaul may need some tweaking with the mast. Usually a floppy/loose leach to the 3rd/4th batten from the top allows good leach twist and depowering. This may need to be adjusted if the bend curve of the mast doesn't match the sail.



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