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Your thought s on a bigger board for light wind .138 litre.for flat water .

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Created by Tardy 3 months ago, 3 Jun 2018
Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
3 Jun 2018 3:22PM
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I am in the hunt for a light wind board ,thinking for sails 8.5 -9.5

as a heavy weight my 130 Titan was too close to my 125 tabou so hench been sold .also was only
good for sail up to a 8.8.

so my boards are 105 rocket ,115 Patrick ,125 tabou rocket .
I was thinking a 135-140 litre board would be perfect .
so I am looking at a 138 speedster tabou ,or a RRD firestorm 138 litre .
Can anyone shead some light on these two boards ...

I'm 97 kgs.
thanks in advance .

BSN101
WA, 1273 posts
3 Jun 2018 5:25PM
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I really like my SB ultrasonic 147 but she's wide at 95. Fast too! Almost 30knts (so far) with twin cam 8.2

snorkel692
QLD, 144 posts
3 Jun 2018 8:20PM
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BSN101 said..
I really like my SB ultrasonic 147 but she's wide at 95. Fast too! Almost 30knts (so far) with twin cam 8.2


+1 vote for Ultrasonic! I mostly use a 9.5 with it and have used down to 8.0 and up to 12.

Other good options might be Patrik f-race 140 or the big futura ( 137 I think)

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
3 Jun 2018 8:30PM
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Thanks guys ,will take a look ,at the starboard ....just makes me wonder if 138 litres is enough to make a difference from my sold 130 Titan at 84 ..it was very low in volume at the rear ,and quite a narrow tail .
i always believe a thicker tail gets you through the lulls .volume and width .i think that was its down fall.
it seemed to like 13 knots up ,

i liked the look of the Patrick 140 ..good call .

joe windsurf
1358 posts
3 Jun 2018 7:05PM
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glad you guys are NOT just talking about volume !!
here is an earlier "Formula" board of 135 litres and 85 cm width - video has 9.5 Ezzy Cheetah

jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2012/11/formula-board-test-run-video.html

nb sometimes i take width / 10 to see good sail to use with board - 95 cm SB would be right on with 9.5 sail
and yes those wide - almost Formula boards also go great with 8.x sails (8.0-8.5)

Swindy
WA, 202 posts
3 Jun 2018 8:12PM
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I've got Patrik SL 115 and 135 and had the f race 140 before the 135. If you sail on the ocean mainly, go for the F Race over the slalom. Both are a perfect gap for ocean and flat water though. At the same weight as you I cant see the need for the 125 Rocket unless its your favourite board. I have the same issue in the smaller sizes.
Edit. Just noticed your after a board for flat water.
That's why I swapped to the 135. Though less volume is 5cm wider and I mainly sail on the flat now and it carries the big sails a bit better. I may even stick a foil in it soon.

MagicRide
21 posts
4 Jun 2018 12:28AM
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Hi Tardy,

I think it all comes down to what your light wind target range is. I'm lighter than you at 83 kgs, but I would go 200 plus liters of board volume. That would very possibly get you planing in 10 knots with your big sails, with a good size fin. I would be very generous with lots of volume for light wind sailing, or get foiling. I feel 140ish liters is way to close to your 130L Titan. If you up those liters by a huge amount, that's where you'll notice a huge difference.

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
4 Jun 2018 9:25AM
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Hi Tardy,

I think it all comes down to what your light wind target range is. I'm lighter than you at 83 kgs, but I would go 200 plus liters of board volume. That would very possibly get you planing in 10 knots with your big sails, with a good size fin. I would be very generous with lots of volume for light wind sailing, or get foiling. I feel 140ish liters is way to close to your 130L Titan. If you up those liters by a huge amount, that's where you'll notice a huge difference.


i sold my Titan .

swindy. i will keep my 125 tabou .great ocean boat ,even in rough it really is a great board ...
my goal is a 11-15 knot board with a 8.5 and 9.5 .
but thanks ..some great suggestions ....guys ..

jirvin4505
QLD, 917 posts
4 Jun 2018 10:40AM
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Tardy said..

my goal is a 11-15 knot board with a 8.5 and 9.5 .
but thanks ..some great suggestions ....guys ..


Us 90kg plus riders at sandstone Pt are on big early model starboard GOs and specialist jpslw or ultrasonics with 8.5-9.5 sails in that wind range

tony get an old starboard 85 wide freeformula 2004 going with 9.5 sail and 66cm fin at 100kg me... I'm generally on jpslw 92wide with 9.5 sail at 98kg

cheers jeff
ps lots of good info in the super lightwind threads

firerock
10 posts
5 Jun 2018 3:18PM
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Agree with jirvin's recommendations of SB Ultrasonic & JP slw.
I'm a 90kg rider on a 141 Futura, 80cm wide with 9.2 sail. It takes 13.5 knts to plane.
I would imagine 10cm increase in width would better suit the heavier rider.

Paddles B'mere
QLD, 1599 posts
5 Jun 2018 8:08PM
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The catch with the SLW and Ultrasonic is that they are light and fragile and also do not like choppy conditions, Jeff has both (I think) and will back this up. Adam is 85 or so kegs and I'm 103 and we're both using old 150 and 155 GO's in light wind, they weigh a ton and don't care if there's chop and don't ding if a seagull lands on them and cost eff all to buy. You'll need a 13+ gust with a 9+m sail to kick it on the plane to get going but once they're going they just don't seem to fall off the plane.

G30ff0
NSW, 103 posts
5 Jun 2018 10:58PM
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I can only vouch for the SLW 90 wide. The width at the tail means you can put a big fin in, I usually use a 60cm RSX fin in the light stuff with a 9.5 Overdrive or 9.2 Turbo & swap down the fin once it gets too much.

From what I have read Tardy you seem to be at a high enough skill level that means you don't need a tough skin board, but would appreciate the lighter board to get you going sooner.

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
6 Jun 2018 10:23AM
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G30ff0 said..
I can only vouch for the SLW 90 wide. The width at the tail means you can put a big fin in, I usually use a 60cm RSX fin in the light stuff with a 9.5 Overdrive or 9.2 Turbo & swap down the fin once it gets too much.

From what I have read Tardy you seem to be at a high enough skill level that means you don't need a tough skin board, but would appreciate the lighter board to get you going sooner.


yes .i definatly will be going for a carbon board .light boards plane faster with personal experience .
i do have a tabou CED heavier 105 ,vs, a 2nd hand 115 tabou LTD .the carbon boards are so much nicer .
and stronger .had a good catapult on my CED it split the nose wide open .rather than just dinging it .like carbon does .

sounds like the extra width is the go ....for extra sail cloth .its going to be for light wind ,so low chop .
but i still want a fast board .that points well.

snorkel692
QLD, 144 posts
6 Jun 2018 9:01PM
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My Ultrasonic is a 2014 model and is still going strong despite a LOT of sailing. Its the carbon model. Personally I find carbon boards last better than some of the more "tough skinned" models- yes they ding with rough handling but they repair really easily and dont end up looking like golf balls. i have a similarly aged, and much less used board in a "tough skin" ( a Fanatic HRS) construction that looks seriously worse for wear..so I agree going carbon is good idea!

petermac33
WA, 4524 posts
6 Jun 2018 7:43PM
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I picked up a second hand Patrik 135 V111 today. Wind was anything from 8 gusting to 20 knots on the river.

No one else sailing the entire day so i had the river to myself,short of lots of yachts to dodge.

Great light wind conditions for my first try of this board. I borrowed a Z fin carbon 50 cm with my Maui 7.6m.

Never off the plane till around 5 pm when the wind dropped to 8-15 knots.

i guess I was planing in 11 knots after dropping the downhaul and outhaul. I am around 70kg.

Its a very easy board to sail. Trims very neutral and flys upwind.

I later tried my 44 cm carbon Volt on it but I lost so much performance upwind in comparison.

Struggled to maintain the board on a reach with the smaller fin.

Way too small for the 85cm board but it did feel great in the 18 knot gusts.

To enjoy sailing in light wind you really need to be able to make at least 50 metres upwind on every long reach without really pushing it - otherwise sailing becomes a choir trying to get back to where you launched from.

With smaller boards its easy to get bored of just reaching but with wide boards and a decent sized fin you can head off way downwind and return upwind in a single leg.

Sailing in 10-15 knots with a wide board is great fun,especially sailing upwind / downwind.

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
7 Jun 2018 8:14AM
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sounds like a good session peter ,getting another Patrick would be great love my 115 V1.

Ben1973
71 posts
8 Jun 2018 10:03AM
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Just went from starboard carve iq 3dx 151 to the ultrasonic in carbon reflex. Hugh difference. I got planning in 9knots with a 8.6 mach1 tonight and I'm 100kg.
Well actually I got planning in the short 12knot gust but I could keep going in the long lulls. The carve iq would drop off the plane much sooner. Tomorrow's supposed to be 12 gusting 20knots so looking forward to seeing how it handles that.

ballast
QLD, 384 posts
8 Jun 2018 1:05PM
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Super Light Winds are a great light wind board. I have the smaller of the 2012 models. 90cm wide and 154 litres.
Carbon construction, but I don't think they are as fragile as suggested. Mine has the hard nose guard survived any number of catapults, and is still in good condition for a 2012 board, no soft spots.

I have also had a number of older Go's. Best of the bunch as a light wind board was the 165 from around 2007ish I think.
Very durable as Paddles suggested, but the SLW is way lighter, quicker to plane and keep on the plane.

I have no real issues with the SLW in the chop. Don't know if the bigger ones have more of an issue in this regard. I believe there is a fair bit of difference in the design of the two versions, not just a step down in size.
I feel the effect of the chop more on my 134 Futura, much harder on my dodgy knee than the SLW.

I came from a 2005 SB Formula board as a light wind board before I bought the SLW. First sail on it after the Formula I was amazed how easy and relaxed this board is. I reckon I was able to sail the Formula for around an hour at most and I always felt beat up afterwards. Stressed me out trying to get into the way outboard straps and downwind was an all or nothing proposition.
Not as quick to plane, but the SLW is an all day proposition for me if the conditions stay steady.

I have also had a Drops Formula board and another an old SB Free Formula. These are both good early planning boards, but the SLW is a still a stand out.

Orange Whip
QLD, 438 posts
8 Jun 2018 6:13PM
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ballast said..
Super Light Winds are a great light wind board. I have the smaller of the 2012 models. 90cm wide and 154 litres.
Carbon construction, but I don't think they are as fragile as suggested. Mine has the hard nose guard survived any number of catapults, and is still in good condition for a 2012 board, no soft spots.

I have also had a number of older Go's. Best of the bunch as a light wind board was the 165 from around 2007ish I think.
Very durable as Paddles suggested, but the SLW is way lighter, quicker to plane and keep on the plane.

I have no real issues with the SLW in the chop. Don't know if the bigger ones have more of an issue in this regard. I believe there is a fair bit of difference in the design of the two versions, not just a step down in size.
I feel the effect of the chop more on my 134 Futura, much harder on my dodgy knee than the SLW.

I came from a 2005 SB Formula board as a light wind board before I bought the SLW. First sail on it after the Formula I was amazed how easy and relaxed this board is. I reckon I was able to sail the Formula for around an hour at most and I always felt beat up afterwards. Stressed me out trying to get into the way outboard straps and downwind was an all or nothing proposition.
Not as quick to plane, but the SLW is an all day proposition for me if the conditions stay steady.

I have also had a Drops Formula board and another an old SB Free Formula. These are both good early planning boards, but the SLW is a still a stand out.



Good info mate. Just wondering if you've had a go on an ultrasonic and how it compares to a SLW?

(Sorry Tardy, you're looking for a 138 ltr board and your thread has deteriorated into a +150 ltr discussion!)

ballast
QLD, 384 posts
9 Jun 2018 7:33AM
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Not an Ultrasonic as yet. Jirvan is the guy to talk to about a direct comparison from our group.
I have sailed a 134 isonic and it was no where near as early planning at my weight which is north of 100kegs. Faster by far though as you would expect. 85cm compared to 90cm and a narrower tail.
From my memory of a conversation with Jeff, it was more performance oriented than the SLW, but a bit like my formula experience. Not as easy to sail and tough to go downwind on, but he loves it when he gets it to work for him.

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
9 Jun 2018 10:42AM
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Orange Whip said..

ballast said..
Super Light Winds are a great light wind board. I have the smaller of the 2012 models. 90cm wide and 154 litres.
Carbon construction, but I don't think they are as fragile as suggested. Mine has the hard nose guard survived any number of catapults, and is still in good condition for a 2012 board, no soft spots.

I have also had a number of older Go's. Best of the bunch as a light wind board was the 165 from around 2007ish I think.
Very durable as Paddles suggested, but the SLW is way lighter, quicker to plane and keep on the plane.

I have no real issues with the SLW in the chop. Don't know if the bigger ones have more of an issue in this regard. I believe there is a fair bit of difference in the design of the two versions, not just a step down in size.
I feel the effect of the chop more on my 134 Futura, much harder on my dodgy knee than the SLW.

I came from a 2005 SB Formula board as a light wind board before I bought the SLW. First sail on it after the Formula I was amazed how easy and relaxed this board is. I reckon I was able to sail the Formula for around an hour at most and I always felt beat up afterwards. Stressed me out trying to get into the way outboard straps and downwind was an all or nothing proposition.
Not as quick to plane, but the SLW is an all day proposition for me if the conditions stay steady.

I have also had a Drops Formula board and another an old SB Free Formula. These are both good early planning boards, but the SLW is a still a stand out.




Good info mate. Just wondering if you've had a go on an ultrasonic and how it compares to a SLW?

(Sorry Tardy, you're looking for a 138 ltr board and your thread has deteriorated into a +150 ltr discussion!)


All good ....whip.

i have a 125 litre board that planes faster than a 150 litre board I have ...both same width ..and length .

so I am open for info ,I haven't brought anything yet ,in no hurry ....lets say a 12 knot board .

i could go with a bigger board 12 litre ain't much ..more . Fanatic falcon 136 looks appealing too.and has foil approval .

joe windsurf
1358 posts
10 Jun 2018 7:00PM
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Orange Whip said..
Just wondering if you've had a go on an ultrasonic and how it compares to a SLW?


have the JP SLW92 and tried to write a comparison before i purchased it ...

joewindsurfer.blogspot.com/2013/03/jp-slw-vs-sb-us.html

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
11 Jun 2018 6:33AM
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Thanks Joe ..a good read ...I am thinking differently now ,bigger might be better .

BSN101
WA, 1273 posts
11 Jun 2018 7:02AM
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ballast said..
Not an Ultrasonic as yet. Jirvan is the guy to talk to about a direct comparison from our group.
I have sailed a 134 isonic and it was no where near as early planning at my weight which is north of 100kegs. Faster by far though as you would expect. 85cm compared to 90cm and a narrower tail.
From my memory of a conversation with Jeff, it was more performance oriented than the SLW, but a bit like my formula experience. Not as easy to sail and tough to go downwind on, but he loves it when he gets it to work for him.


I think that the newer JPSLWs are a bit more speed orientataed than before.

olskool
QLD, 805 posts
12 Jun 2018 5:48AM
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Tardy, hard to beat volume n width for lightwind. The 100+ crew here love the big SLWs.(150+litre) coupled with big 60cm Vmax fins.From what ive seen around the Falcon is great as well. No personal experience. Just what im seeing on the water.

windsurftom
NSW, 206 posts
12 Jun 2018 7:29AM
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Feck planing... go railing!

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~-1k9o/2004-Mistral-One-Design-235-litres.aspx?_page=1&search=MsVd7Fn%2F%2FIrz2wJoLe%2BWf8PfthSGSW%2BQ

petermac33
WA, 4524 posts
12 Jun 2018 10:45PM
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I went out today on the river in really light winds on my 135 litre.

It picked up to 15 knots and thought I'd sail way off the wind.

Then the wind went to basically nothing and did I drift!

I got within 400 metres of Majestic Point but then stupidly decided to do a gybe to try and head upwind again in the hope I might make the point on the next reach.

Wind went to zero from 4 knots and I drifted from near the centre of the river 400 metres or so past the city side of Majestic Point but around 1200 metres to shore.

After paddling my board for half an hour I made perhaps 200 metres max.

It then got dark and I had to jump in and swim close to a km to the city side of the point.

Took me half an hour or so.

Police drove me back to my car but on returning to Majestic Point I felt very sick.

Shivering and no energy. Put the heater on high for two hours. A passer by stayed with me till I felt ok. Ate lots of oranges to get the energy back.

Did not leave the car park till I felt comfortable to drive,around 9-45pm.

Be extra careful in light winds and do not sail too far away especially if you think there's a possibility the wind could drop.

Still feel only 80 percent.

joe windsurf
1358 posts
13 Jun 2018 4:26AM
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sad to hear that
glad you are ok - well kinda

not only be careful in light winds and the cold
but also with OLD equipment
here is my first experience with a division 2/DIV 2
too many errors/issues and ended ok = well kinda

joewindsurfer.blogspot.com/2018/05/was-i-going-to-drown.html

Tardy
NSW, 2439 posts
13 Jun 2018 8:17AM
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petermac33 said..
I went out today on the river in really light winds on my 135 litre.

It picked up to 15 knots and thought I'd sail way off the wind.

Then the wind went to basically nothing and did I drift!

I got within 400 metres of Majestic Point but then stupidly decided to do a gybe to try and head upwind again in the hope I might make the point on the next reach.

Wind went to zero from 4 knots and I drifted from near the centre of the river 400 metres or so past the city side of Majestic Point but around 1200 metres to shore.

After paddling my board for half an hour I made perhaps 200 metres max.

It then got dark and I had to jump in and swim close to a km to the city side of the point.

Took me half an hour or so.

Police drove me back to my car but on returning to Majestic Point I felt very sick.

Shivering and no energy. Put the heater on high for two hours. A passer by stayed with me till I felt ok. Ate lots of oranges to get the energy back.

Did not leave the car park till I felt comfortable to drive,around 9-45pm.

Be extra careful in light winds and do not sail too far away especially if you think there's a possibility the wind could drop.

Still feel only 80 percent.


glad you survived mate ... rest up .


nothing worse than no wind

Imax1
VIC, 1414 posts
13 Jun 2018 9:50AM
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^^^
Wow , thats a bit sh-t !
Did you have any flotation ? I would have thought paddling on the board would have been more efficient than swimming ?
I know , it can get scary.
Good that you could tell the story .

Maddlad
WA, 221 posts
13 Jun 2018 11:10AM
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I bought a JP Slalom Pro 85 wide (133 Litre) board last year and it opened up a whole new wind range for me. I was getting planing in real light breezes and it just kept going through the lulls because of the extra volume and width. I dont know if you're into full slalom boards but dont be put off by them in the bigger sizes for light wind and flat water - theyre rocket ships! :)



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