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Foil Racing

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Created by JockyC 27 days ago, 29 May 2019
JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
29 May 2019 2:28AM
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Hey all,

Just wondering how many people are sailing on foils at the moment? And of those people, how many are interested in racing?

I'm interested in getting one of the local clubs to run some foil racing in the second half of this year, probably alongside the dinghies and others classes.

How much interest in that would there be?

Cheers,
JC

geared4knots
TAS, 2470 posts
29 May 2019 7:53AM
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Hey Jock.
Sounds like fun- just fill you in on the southern foil scene.
Foiling has not really taken off big time here YET....
Two seasons ago when the buzz all started a lot of guys purchased the Naish kit for freeride foiling and then a few sailors purchased full on race kits.
Well the race kits were sold off and some of the freeride kits dont see much water time at all.
I think in tassie we have such a big range of wind conditions that a lot of the hard core windsurfers who purchased foils just decided they will get 3-4 days sailing a week anyway on normal gear - why foil!!

But i think now it has all settled a bit, this season has seen a lot more recreational sailors get into foiling- with perhaps another 5 guys down south on the water. along with the already 7 sailors thats quite a few .

Most if not all are freeriding on soft rigs with early lift- low speed foils. Not the very fast foils with 8m sails we are seeing at pwa level.
Personally i find this side of foiling, very much fun as it makes it very very easy that anyone who windsurfs can do- once you start putting big camber induced sails on a foil it makes it quite a bit harder- especially for learning gybing on foil etc.

There is some great new gear coming out this 2020 season that with get more guys and girls thinking of foiling, so i hope numbers grow in Tassie

Racing may be something that would get participation if it was a very open class- allowing all foil boards and all sails .

Personally my favorite all time foil is the SlingShot for ease of use and the Slingshot wizard board- so easy to use. Naish Hover kits are also up there as being very user frIiendly.

martyj4
199 posts
29 May 2019 1:49PM
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Hey JC,
I foil but am really only interested in sub 15 knots of wind. For me, foiling is there to fill in the void when you rock up and the wind is sub 12 knots and you can't get planing on conventional gear - foil instead. So if it gets to more than 15 knots, I definitely wouldn't be interested. As fun as it is, when the wind is over 15, I prefer windsurfing. Most of the foiling Ive been doing has been in seabreezes that don't quite deliver (summer).
As for racing, I've always had concerns about sailors having a 1m long blunt carbon axe under their board. Especially so if there's a whole bunch of foilers trying to get round a marker bouy and someone bins it right in the middle of the turn zone. So I'd want to know what sort of racing it was going to be. If there's a few there who are REALLY keen and going for it, then probably not. If everyone was really relaxed and gave lots of space when sailing, then maybe.
Hope you are able to muster enough interest to get something up and running.

JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
29 May 2019 9:06PM
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Great to here that there is, at very least, a lot of interest. Maybe some organised racing would be the push that some people need to grab some kit!

I do appreciate that racing is not everyone's cup of tea, however I do think its a great way to structure some weekend sailing. Martyj4, to your point, I would definitely be requesting some sort of open foil class, so people can just bring along whatever they have and try to get around a little course. I think the foilers would need their own start line, because mixing foiling and small opti kids doesn't sound too clever at all. And for a weekend race I dont think you'd find too many guys getting their shoulders out and sailing really aggressively.

There will be some winter racing held that I will try and do as a test run, so I'll be able to try out the race courses and make sure the race committee know what the foilers will behave like on the water. I'll also be looking at the safety aspect of it around other boats. And then once we do that and the summer season rolls around, hopefully we can have a bit of a formula to follow so we can get some really nice events in.


Even something like the foilers only compete every second weekend or something like this, so that you still have some weekends for other disciplines of windsurfing. I'm really open to idea's and suggestions, thoughts and comments. But for example I'm gonna be riding a 10.0 Hyperglide with a formula board, because I really wanna push this racing side of things. We could have a 'pro' and a 'casual' race even, something like we all start at the same time, but the people with 'Race' kit do three laps to the other fleet doing two.

There are lots of options out there, and I can pretty much get anything organised - the RYCT and SBSC are always open to ideas and as someone who has been involved with those clubs for my whole life, I can definitely make stuff happen!

So I guess if there is some interest, just let me know!

Captain_Morg
TAS, 658 posts
29 May 2019 9:19PM
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Sounds good.. we need a change down here. Out with the old bring in the new.
Jock i think some of the competitive guys will show interest once they know there is a comp involved..

Mort67
TAS, 249 posts
30 May 2019 11:31AM
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JockyC said..
Great to here that there is, at very least, a lot of interest. Maybe some organised racing would be the push that some people need to grab some kit!

I do appreciate that racing is not everyone's cup of tea, however I do think its a great way to structure some weekend sailing. Martyj4, to your point, I would definitely be requesting some sort of open foil class, so people can just bring along whatever they have and try to get around a little course. I think the foilers would need their own start line, because mixing foiling and small opti kids doesn't sound too clever at all. And for a weekend race I dont think you'd find too many guys getting their shoulders out and sailing really aggressively.

There will be some winter racing held that I will try and do as a test run, so I'll be able to try out the race courses and make sure the race committee know what the foilers will behave like on the water. I'll also be looking at the safety aspect of it around other boats. And then once we do that and the summer season rolls around, hopefully we can have a bit of a formula to follow so we can get some really nice events in.


Even something like the foilers only compete every second weekend or something like this, so that you still have some weekends for other disciplines of windsurfing. I'm really open to idea's and suggestions, thoughts and comments. But for example I'm gonna be riding a 10.0 Hyperglide with a formula board, because I really wanna push this racing side of things. We could have a 'pro' and a 'casual' race even, something like we all start at the same time, but the people with 'Race' kit do three laps to the other fleet doing two.

There are lots of options out there, and I can pretty much get anything organised - the RYCT and SBSC are always open to ideas and as someone who has been involved with those clubs for my whole life, I can definitely make stuff happen!

So I guess if there is some interest, just let me know!


Hi Jock,
Jo Chau is on the WT committee, so she would be a good point of contact, but as observed with the Techno Nationals, the yacht clubs are well versed in running course racing events. I think an open class foil event would be great fun and some foilers may get the bug for competition (as Morgs pointed out, they can be a competitive bunch ). For me I'd love to have a go as it would push me to work on skills.
Cheers,
Mort

JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
1 Jun 2019 2:58AM
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Hi Mort,


Jo and I are good mates, and she will definitely be one of my first contacts! I don't have any doubt in the race committee's, I just want to make sure of the safety aspects of a bunch of foilers around lots of little kids. But I think managed in the right way, it wont be an issue.


Look forward to seeing some really good board racing on the river! really pushing the technology envelope, would be great to beat some of the modern skiffs and maybe even a foiler moth or two!!

JC

AUS02
TAS, 1848 posts
1 Jun 2019 8:59AM
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Sounds great. Not sure I'll get another foil for racing, but there were a lot of keen Windsurfer LT sailors at the last state titles held at the SBSC who I reckon will be keen to compete in some weekend racing, so we could perhaps promote that fleet as well.

geared4knots
TAS, 2470 posts
1 Jun 2019 9:23AM
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Massive in PWA now-
Its only time in Tas..

JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
1 Jun 2019 4:09PM
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Maybe there is some scope to have two very clear divisions - something like a pro/unlimited class (foil, formula, etc) and then an open class (everything else, like windsurfer LT, techno, raceboard).

If we had 4 or 5 for each (no problem for the Open / LT class) then the clubs would run the racing NO problem. There would be an additional cost to enter, as it wouldn't be a windsurfing TAS thing that your subs would cover. However from memory its something like $25 to enter for the whole season which covers about 3 months of racing.

I am obviously a bit of an advocate for racing, and thats what I love to do but I wanna try and stress to people that just because its 'racing' doesn't mean that everyone is gonna turn into wankers. There would still be a really relaxed and fun atmosphere, lots of cool people around the clubs to talk to and share stories with. Also I see it as an awesome opportunity to get as many windsurfers out in front of the young kids as possible, try and inspire some of them to give it a go and maybe hook them on this amazing sport we all love!!

I definitely think it could be a LOT of fun. I'm loving this discussion too, hearing that there is some interest is really encouraging for me to really make this into something cool. All my years racing techno's and RSX I always wanted to set something like this up, so pretty stoked that the scene could be ready for it now.

Steve Charles
TAS, 1089 posts
1 Jun 2019 5:27PM
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The foiling scene is happening fast. Like Damo said there are 2 ways you can go. I would say most would go with the recreational approach which makes sense unless you are racing. I am going to give the racing side a crack and hopefully do the nationals later this year or early next year. Would be good to see some of the crew get into it down here as we do get a lot of light wind days which are perfect for foiling. Even a big light wind slalom kit wont get you going in under 12 knots. So there is a gap there where foiling can fill. Good thing too is all the guys/girls already have wave, freeride or race sails they can put straight onto a foil board. So the cost is just going to be foil and board.

JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
1 Jun 2019 7:38PM
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And you don't need to spend heaps on a board that will be good to race, I spent $200 on an old wood/glass starboard formula board and its been fantastic. Absolutely perfect for it. ????

geared4knots
TAS, 2470 posts
2 Jun 2019 7:26AM
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if you hunt hard enough there are still a couple of those old formula boards left in Tas

JockyC
TAS, 204 posts
2 Jun 2019 11:49PM
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I found mine on facebook marketplace - bit of a random find, but well worth digging around for. Actually its got heaps of rocker in the nose, so its super forgiving if you vent the foil and come down. I've been able to save a couple of cavitation's that I thought for sure would turn into catapults. So for someone less confident or newer to it, even someone more experienced but who just wants some forgiveness, there are lots of positives in that option. Just could be worth re-enforcing the fin box, even if just for peace of mind.

Jo Chau
TAS, 4 posts
4 Jun 2019 5:55PM
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Hey guys, Damo mentioned your discussion Jock. After a successful States on long boards I am really keen to continue with windsurfing/foiling/wind gliding? at SBSC. We have shown the Boards work well on "Bravo" course with the 9ers for course racing so this can continue each Saturday arvo. We have some great RO's on this course that are more than happy to facilitate our needs. We have now sorted the issue re insurance so as long as you are a member of a sailing club or have the WT insurance you are more than welcome to race at the club. Going forward I think the club will just charge an entry fee for non club members. Towards the end of last season there were a few newbies that were not up to racing so they just played around in front of the club. Anyway lets keep the dialogue open...

Lauderdale are also keen to get Boards up and running. Their Club days are on a Sunday so this may also work to give sailors another option if Saturday does not work. Hopefully Matt Stirling will be our contact person there.

Captain_Morg
TAS, 658 posts
10 Jun 2019 12:26PM
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Kazza
TAS, 2232 posts
13 Jun 2019 1:03PM
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Green Island Freerace & Slalom Nationals are on in July Jock if your interested in a bit of fun & warm racing.

geared4knots
TAS, 2470 posts
14 Jun 2019 8:09AM
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Kaz, is there a foil section at green island ?

Kazza
TAS, 2232 posts
17 Jun 2019 6:04PM
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geared4knots said..
Kaz, is there a foil section at green island ?



No foil section. I don't think coral bommies and foil fins would work very well together.



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